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    Like I've mentioned in other threads, I've been experiencing some outrageous hits with PI.

    The

    problem is that in many situations, it seems to good to be true, and I really have avoided the hits because I don't

    know how to handle them.

    For example, what do you do in these types of situations...

    ...you're sitting

    somewhere. A girl and her boyfriend sit down nearby and the girl is staring at you, throwing you glances, despite

    chatting with her boyfriend. The boyfriend also throws you confusing/hostile glances, wondering why his girl is

    staring your way, and starts to act really protective of his girlfriend.

    ...or, you're sitting somewhere in the

    vicinity of what you believe are some very good-looking guys. You are not gay, but these guys are very muscular,

    tall, and portray the typical characteristics girls go crazy over. Yet, the girls completely ignore these awesome

    guys and come to you...and you're not some model or anything. This annoys the studs and they look at you oddly.

    And this all happens without you even opening your mouth...it's not like the girls enjoy your personality because

    you haven't even shown that yet.

    ...or, you're sitting somewhere, and a little kid who was sitting in their

    dad's lap, runs over to you...as if excited you've finally arrived. They get really amused by your presence and

    act like you're their long lost relative who used to bring them toys.

    These types of experiences are so

    inexplicable I try to avoid them like the plague. Because it casts an image of suspicion on you, and it makes

    people all around wonder "why?"

    Anyone know how to dodge these types of situations or stuff you can say when it

    happens? (I mean, of course I can stop using 'mones...but I meant beside that option. When it starts happening, I

    almost feel like everywhere I go there is going to be a spotlight on me, and sometimes I'll just get tired of it

    and spend the rest of the day at home. This is the conclusion I came to before this summer...and that's why I

    stopped using 'mones for most of this last summer...too much attention to be honest. But I've only returned to

    using 'mones for a month or so, so I wasn't planning on stopping again so soon.)

    thanks

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    the block. I have every .none product in existence, .none is great, because you get hits with it, and not just

    mindless chatter from .nol.

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    I just typed a long-ass

    post which my browser ate, so I'll try to summarize.

    Smooth, I think you're worrying WAY too much about these

    things. All of the results you listed could be attributed to super tight body language, good looks (I am sure you

    are a good-looking guy, even if you don't think you compare to some of these other 'more alpha' guys you talk

    about, just because of the results you have been having, and because you said you've had DIHL's pre-pheromone

    usage), good style, other factors, or even natural pheromones.

    Have you ever seen a girl who you didn't think

    was conventionally attractive, or who wasn't your usual type, physically, but you couldn't stop thinking about

    pulling their panties down and fucking them up against the nearest wall? Did you think that it was because of her

    pheromones? Whether you did or you didn't, there's no way to know. Maybe you were attracted to the tilt of her

    nose, or the way she held herself, or maybe you subconsciously perceived that the other guys around all wanted to

    fuck her, and so you were influenced by that. Humans can rarely tell exactly what makes them attracted to someone,

    and we often backwards-rationalize when we find ourselves attracted to someone we normally wouldn't expect to be

    attracted to, in order to explain why we feel the way we do. I guarantee you, most people don't consider pheromones

    in the equation.

    Here's the thing though, if you act like you are not used to the attention and do not feel

    deserving of it in comparison to the other guys around, that attitude will rub off on the women who were initially

    attracted to you (I know -- this is my biggest problem right now). If you truly believe you are more deserving of

    female attention than the other guys in the room, and you are getting it, it will seem natural. Women will think you

    have 'something special' that they won't be able to put their finger on, but they'll chase you for it.

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    Have you ever seen a girl

    who you didn't think was conventionally attractive, or who wasn't your usual type, physically, but you couldn't

    stop thinking about pulling their panties down and fucking them up against the nearest wall?
    Yep, I hate

    that when that happens. It's gotten me into serious trouble in the past so I resist with all my might. I doubt it

    was the tilt of her nose (!) but nothing is more confusing than getting involved with a woman you are both repelled

    and attracted to.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    What about situations when

    girls standing in front or by you in night club start grinding their ass against your crotch.... not strongly but

    lightly, but constantly touching you with their ass as they casually shake it to the music...

    is this the

    strongest possible signal of interest? Or they just playing?

    Anyone have experience with starting a conversation

    in an ass-grinding situation like this?

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    Either a very overt signal, or the

    place just being too cramped.

    Seeing as the last time I had the pleasure of getting "rubbing hits" in a club

    that was packed so full you literally couldn't move without bumping into somebody was last night, this is not so

    surprising.

    Then again, clubs are designed this way because 1) smaller is cheaper 2) the owners figured out

    that the more body contact there is, the more money they make.

    Girls have, of course, gotten to the point of

    blatantly rubbing their asses against interesting guys out of sheer frustration over the average western male's

    approach anxiety. There was a time where a glance across a meadow sufficed. Today, they literally have to club the

    guy on the head and drag him to their caves...roles reversed.

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    It's just retarded that

    instead of saying "hey, wanna dance?", they start grinding your crotch while acting like they're not interested.



    It gives me the impression these girls have low self-esteem and want attention or want to get me to _ask_ them to

    dance (doesn't mean they want to dance with me or anyone), so that her self-esteem/status would rise from a high

    status guy asking her.

    Both of these grinders were with 2-3 girlfriends, so I figured it's a status raising

    attempt in front of their friends... gave them the "You Wish!" look and moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    Like I've

    mentioned in other threads, I've been experiencing some outrageous hits with PI.
    how much pi have u

    been using? and where on you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by visual999
    It's just

    retarded that instead of saying "hey, wanna dance?", they start grinding your crotch while acting like they're not

    interested.

    It gives me the impression these girls have low self-esteem and want attention or want to get me to

    _ask_ them to dance (doesn't mean they want to dance with me or anyone), so that her self-esteem/status would rise

    from a high status guy asking her.

    Both of these grinders were with 2-3 girlfriends, so I figured it's a

    status raising attempt in front of their friends... gave them the "You Wish!" look and moved on.
    Thats

    just the way a lot of women dance in clubs. If you can't dance, they'll walk away. If you can dance, they'll

    usually keep dancing, so long as they aren't absolutely repulsed by you.

    It really isn't a sign of low

    self-esteem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronzie
    PI is the

    best .none product on the block. I have every .none product in existence, .none is great, because you get hits with

    it, and not just mindless chatter from .nol.
    Bronzie,

    Perhaps it's too early to make a conclusion

    but I observed that a-none (The Edge) at the moment looks like has no effect yet on Asian girls. The only reaction

    that I have so far is that women say I smell nice. That's because I mix it with Pherlure. Since pheromones effect

    is very subjective in its results, I've to be positive in this matter. Recently, Smooth wrote that SOE works on

    Asian women, so I guess I've to try it too as well as the otherwise I won't know what will work for me or

    will take effects on the people in South East Asia.

    Have a nice day.

    Shah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma
    Thats just the

    way a lot of women dance in clubs. If you can't dance, they'll walk away. If you can dance, they'll usually keep

    dancing, so long as they aren't absolutely repulsed by you.

    It really isn't a sign of low

    self-esteem.
    I understand that, but wasn't happening on dance floor, they were just standing there in

    group (not moving to the music), moving here and there and when they "just happened" to move in front of me, one

    started grinding.... never had that happened without pheros in clubs (outside of dance floor)...

    then I moved

    away and like 30 secs later another group of 3 chicks that were previously standing there wihtout moving to the

    music just happens to move in front of me and the one with the biggest booty starts grinding and acting like she's

    not even noticing me, while I could see she's in eye contact with her girlfriend who's checking out my reaction to

    the grind...

    put yourself into that situation, what would you think the chick is thinking when she's grinding

    you while she won't even make eye contact when you move to her side .... would you start conversation with a chick

    like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by visual999
    I understand

    that, but wasn't happening on dance floor, they were just standing there in group (not moving to the music), moving

    here and there and when they "just happened" to move in front of me, one started grinding.... never had that

    happened without pheros in clubs (outside of dance floor)...

    then I moved away and like 30 secs later another

    group of 3 chicks that were previously standing there wihtout moving to the music just happens to move in front of

    me and the one with the biggest booty starts grinding and acting like she's not even noticing me, while I could see

    she's in eye contact with her girlfriend who's checking out my reaction to the grind...

    put yourself into that

    situation, what would you think the chick is thinking when she's grinding you while she won't even make eye

    contact when you move to her side .... would you start conversation with a chick like that?
    I think

    you're reading too much into it. She wanted someone to dance with, not someone to talk to. Maybe she was just

    messing with you. Chances are if she was interested in anything you had to say, she would have given you some kind

    of acknowledgement. Either way you're overreacting to the situation, and probably attributing way too much to the

    pheromones.

    This type of 'hit', if it is one, is not very characteristic of something with as much none as

    PI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    ...you're

    sitting somewhere. A girl and her boyfriend sit down nearby and the girl is staring at you, throwing you glances,

    despite chatting with her boyfriend. The boyfriend also throws you confusing/hostile glances, wondering why his girl

    is staring your way, and starts to act really protective of his girlfriend.
    Some things are just to be

    enjoyed, and in this situation you should enjoy the stroking of your ego with hopes that the boyfriend doesn't kick

    your a$$. It's okay to enjoy your hits, it doesn't mean you have to act on'em all.

    [quote=smooth312...or,

    you're sitting somewhere in the vicinity of what you believe are some very good-looking guys. You are not gay, but

    these guys are very muscular, tall, and portray the typical characteristics girls go crazy over. Yet, the girls

    completely ignore these awesome guys and come to you...and you're not some model or anything. This annoys the studs

    and they look at you oddly. And this all happens without you even opening your mouth...it's not like the girls

    enjoy your personality because you haven't even shown that yet.[/quote]

    Relaaaaaaaaaaax, normally people don't

    just get up and kick your rear 'cause you're getting all the attention; but ... it would be good if you can run

    and run fast in this sit-chation.

    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    ...or, you're sitting somewhere, and a little kid

    who was sitting in their dad's lap, runs over to you...as if excited you've finally arrived. They get really

    amused by your presence and act like you're their long lost relative who used to bring them toys.

    These types

    of experiences are so inexplicable I try to avoid them like the plague. Because it casts an image of suspicion on

    you, and it makes people all around wonder "why?"

    Anyone know how to dodge these types of situations or stuff

    you can say when it happens? (I mean, of course I can stop using 'mones...but I meant beside that option. When it

    starts happening, I almost feel like everywhere I go there is going to be a spotlight on me, and sometimes I'll

    just get tired of it and spend the rest of the day at home. This is the conclusion I came to before this

    summer...and that's why I stopped using 'mones for most of this last summer...too much attention to be honest. But

    I've only returned to using 'mones for a month or so, so I wasn't planning on stopping again so soon.)



    thanks
    Relaaaaax, go with the flow ... let'em wonder, Smoothee. You could also stop using mones if

    it's bothering that much. I didn't think so.

    How much and how

    are you applying PI? Is is better than your SOE:NPA/AE:NPA mix ... I think that was you using those at work?



    Thanks!
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma
    I think you're

    reading too much into it. She wanted someone to dance with, not someone to talk to. Maybe she was just messing with

    you. Chances are if she was interested in anything you had to say, she would have given you some kind of

    acknowledgement. Either way you're overreacting to the situation, and probably attributing way too much to the

    pheromones.

    This type of 'hit', if it is one, is not very characteristic of something with as much none as

    PI.
    I think you confused me with the original poster

    ...was wearing SoE, lots of it and a tiny

    dab on NPA... this rubbing and grinding is very typical of SoE, though everybody says it should make girls chatty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by live4themusic
    Smooth, I

    think you're worrying WAY too much about these things. All of the results you listed could be attributed to super

    tight body language, good looks (I am sure you are a good-looking guy, even if you don't think you compare to some

    of these other 'more alpha' guys you talk about, just because of the results you have been having, and because you

    said you've had DIHL's pre-pheromone usage), good style, other factors, or even natural pheromones.

    Have you

    ever seen a girl who you didn't think was conventionally attractive, or who wasn't your usual type, physically,

    but you couldn't stop thinking about pulling their panties down and fucking them up against the nearest wall? Did

    you think that it was because of her pheromones? Whether you did or you didn't, there's no way to know. Maybe you

    were attracted to the tilt of her nose, or the way she held herself, or maybe you subconsciously perceived that the

    other guys around all wanted to fuck her, and so you were influenced by that. Humans can rarely tell exactly what

    makes them attracted to someone, and we often backwards-rationalize when we find ourselves attracted to someone we

    normally wouldn't expect to be attracted to, in order to explain why we feel the way we do. I guarantee you, most

    people don't consider pheromones in the equation.

    Here's the thing though, if you act like you are not used to

    the attention and do not feel deserving of it in comparison to the other guys around, that attitude will rub off on

    the women who were initially attracted to you (I know -- this is my biggest problem right now). If you truly believe

    you are more deserving of female attention than the other guys in the room, and you are getting it, it will seem

    natural. Women will think you have 'something special' that they won't be able to put their finger on, but

    they'll chase you for it.
    You make some really good points Live4.

    You know, the thing is, this is one of

    my biggest problems as well: if you act like you are not used to the attention and do not feel deserving of it in

    comparison to the other guys around, that attitude will rub off on the women who were initially attracted to

    you.

    I mean, I can't seem to get used to the attention. Most times that I've tried to start a coversation with

    the chick who's fawning over me I've been a nervous wreck to be honest. Only the times that I've started talking

    a girl because I felt like it, and THEN she started showing the classic signs, have I been fine. It's like when

    I'm in a situation where all the chicks are staring, I can't help but laugh to myself and think 'I'm serious not

    THAT good-looking' ...I should get over it though and try to believe in myself more I guess...

    The other thing

    is...the last time I didn't wear any PI it felt different without all the constant attention. So I've just been

    contemplating how much of this is PI or how much is me...I think a lot of it is PI, but maybe because I have decent

    looks it works better? I'm not so sure. Yesterday I did a little 'experiment' and went to the store with PI,

    but looking like a slob...unshaven, wearing my pajamas, beat-up sneakers, hair not combed, and just a tiny bit of

    cover cologne. I got absolutely no hits. I thought I would get hits...but I guess some of it does have to do with

    the way I dress / present myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by blooot
    how much pi have u been using? and where on you?
    I use

    about 1/2-3/4 of a drop on my neck primarily and behind my ears.

    I've noticed that if you don't wash off your

    application spots at night (at least for me)...that the 'mone signature gets stronger the next day. For example, I

    actually wore just 3/4 of a drop on Wednesday of last week...and then nothing on Thursday, but I still seemed to

    have OD'd on Thursday because I didn't wash them off Wedn. night. I took a shower the next morning, but it

    didn't matter.

    I've also noticed when you take a shower, if you rub the application spots, it seems to actually

    aggravate the skin and bring more 'mones to the surface...so it's worse (in terms of OD'ing).

    Also, I made

    some notes a while back about how I take supplements such as Fenugreek and ZMA (which boost natural test)...they're

    totally legal and cheap. I also said how I don't masturbate...

    Well...I've noticed none of that makes a

    difference. I haven't really been taking those 2 things lately, and I've been so unable to capitalize on my hits

    that masturbation has become my new best friend. But the hits keep coming. Seriously though, I need to up my game

    and get some confidence, I think that's my biggest problem, I'm always in such disbelief of the hits. Especially

    when the girl is too hot. It's ridiculous because some guys would kill to be in my situations when I go

    places...I'm starting to think that these hits are worthless if I can't do anything about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad

    Shah
    Bronzie,

    Perhaps it's too early to make a conclusion but I observed that a-none (The Edge) at the moment

    looks like has no effect yet on Asian girls. The only reaction that I have so far is that women say I smell nice.

    That's because I mix it with Pherlure. Since pheromones effect is very subjective in its results, I've to be

    positive in this matter. Recently, Smooth wrote that SOE works on Asian women, so I guess I've to try it too as

    well as the otherwise I won't know what will work for me or will take effects on the people in South East

    Asia.

    Have a nice day.

    Shah.
    Well, SOE works best because it seems to get them non-stop

    talking...which usually around me they're really shy.

    I didn't notice that you're in southeast Asia...I've

    noticed Filipino chicks dig PI as well somewhat. Not as strong of a hit as I get from the usual chicks, but they do

    like it. PI is usually too strong for asian chicks though, and I've noticed it scares them more than

    helping.

    SOE is funny as hell though. It gets girls talking absolutely nonsense, just for the sake of it. It's

    hilarious when it's working...even if she's not saying anything funny, the fact that she's talking 20x more than

    she usually does about random stuff she never would...just cracks me up. Happened today also...

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    Smooth, if you don't want

    to do this I would understand, but I'm really starting to think there might be something special about your bottle

    of PI specifically. I mean I think I've read that the makers of PI are not as reliable as LaCroy(makers of The edge

    and NPA) when it comes to standardizing the pheromone contents of their products.

    So I would be REALLY interested

    in seeing if acquaintances of yours have the same kinds of reactions to your PI as you do... I know you don't want

    other people to know you are using pheromones, so obviously this would be hard, but here is one thing I was

    thinking:

    You could buy a few cologne sample bottles, add a few drops of PI to each, and give them to friends who

    you interact with frequently as 'gifts'. Observe.

    It is kind of farfetched but let me know what you think,

    because you are having results that exceed anything I thought possible with -none. Or maybe you're just much

    better-looking than you give yourself credit for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    Well, SOE

    works best because it seems to get them non-stop talking...which usually around me they're really shy.

    I

    didn't notice that you're in southeast Asia...I've noticed Filipino chicks dig PI as well somewhat. Not as strong

    of a hit as I get from the usual chicks, but they do like it. PI is usually too strong for asian chicks though, and

    I've noticed it scares them more than helping.

    SOE is funny as hell though. It gets girls talking absolutely

    nonsense, just for the sake of it. It's hilarious when it's working...even if she's not saying anything funny,

    the fact that she's talking 20x more than she usually does about random stuff she never would...just cracks me up.

    Happened today also...
    Smooth, thanks a lot.

    Yes, I live in Malaysia which is a multi-racial country

    and a peaceful one. The 3 major ethnics are Malays, Chinese and Indians which give me a wide range of opportunities

    to conduct my pheromone tests.

    Planning to order the SOE combo as well as the . Hopefully, with this I

    can see some positive results.
    I'm not so sure about the VNO theory, but I somehow feel that the Asians in this

    region are immune to certain type of pheromones! Of course this is not true as I said in my earlier post that it's

    too early to make any conclusion. Further more, I haven't tried most of the pheromones sold by L-S. Anyway, let's

    see how it goes.

    Oh! ya, I forgot to say. If there's any of this forum member would like to visit Malaysia,

    please don't hesitate to contact me. Can stay in my house...save on the hotel bills.

    Thanks again.

    "The

    only way to have a friend is to be one" - Ralph Waldo Emerson.

    Shah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad Shah
    Oh! ya, I

    forgot to say. If there's any of this forum member would like to visit Malaysia, please don't hesitate to contact

    me. Can stay in my house...save on the hotel bills.

    Thanks again.

    "The only way to have a friend is to be

    one" - Ralph Waldo Emerson.

    Shah.
    Seriously?

    I may actually take you up on that offer sometime.

    That would be awesome...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    Seriously?

    I may actually take you up on that offer sometime. That would be

    awesome...
    Of course I'm serious! All forum members here are welcome.

    Shah

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    Quote Originally Posted by live4themusic
    Smooth,

    if you don't want to do this I would understand, but I'm really starting to think there might be something special

    about your bottle of PI specifically. I mean I think I've read that the makers of PI are not as reliable as

    LaCroy(makers of The edge and NPA) when it comes to standardizing the pheromone contents of their products.

    So I

    would be REALLY interested in seeing if acquaintances of yours have the same kinds of reactions to your PI as you

    do... I know you don't want other people to know you are using pheromones, so obviously this would be hard, but

    here is one thing I was thinking:

    You could buy a few cologne sample bottles, add a few drops of PI to each, and

    give them to friends who you interact with frequently as 'gifts'. Observe.

    It is kind of farfetched but let me

    know what you think, because you are having results that exceed anything I thought possible with -none. Or maybe

    you're just much better-looking than you give yourself credit for.
    Hey Live, I'm actually going to do

    something like this! Yes, it's farfetched, but I figured why not?

    I'm going to do a few different

    tests...

    1) I've added 5 drops of PI to a sample of Kenneth Cole Black Code cologne, which I will give to a

    friend..."because it's nice-smellling cologne" I'm going to tell him that when I've used the cologne girls like

    how I smell, and ask him to let me know how it goes when he wears it. hehehehe...this is going to rock...I feel

    kinda evil...

    2) I'm going to do the same thing with my dad. I always give my dad free cologne samples and we

    trade/share colognes, so it can go unnoticed easily...I just hope he doesn't end up in a bad situation, lol!



    You know what's funny though, my mom (I live at home), found my bottle of Liquid Trust, and I've yet to

    explain to her what it is. I think this will be quite interesting of a discussion...

    It's actually been pretty

    darn awkward around my folks when I've been wearing PI. I've tried to avoid them as much as possible because the

    effects have even been apparent in them. They would act so damn weird around me that I would try to not see them as

    much as possible...which is not unusual though because I do my own thing and they're pretty cool with whatever I

    do.

    Still, because of that, and because I just can't to get my game on full-swing with PI, I've decided to put

    it on the shelf for a while and go back to using just straight NPA. NPA is still a very solid product and I get

    hits with it too, but not nearly as much as PI. Still, I think I can handle the hits a lot better with NPA because

    it's not like a whole group of girls following me when I wear it, lol. PI is for when I get my game back up to

    par, or for special occasions where I want to close the deal.

    Anyway, I'll let you guys know how that

    experimenting goes (I'll probably make a separate thread)...

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