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    ive gotten

    decent results so far with the noob pack..enough to warrant another purchase. i'm probably gonna buy either PI, SOE

    or both. What do you reccomend? is PI/SOE a good combo? Keep in mind im 16 so i donno if PI is too strong to attract

    girls my age.

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    method PI,is a strong product.So

    you have to know what your doing before applying. Soe is a better bet it is a lot safer, and less prone to

    overdose.

    Have a look at the newbie pack and the info that goes with it.

    cheers

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    i used PI when i was your

    age. my mistake was thinking i needed the strongest.

    it was a totally unwise decision. i was too blind to

    really understand how strong the mones were and how they affected others. i easily od everyday for too long. it

    messed up my life completely.

    months later i shelved the PI. gave up on mones for a few years. it wasnt till

    i was about 22-23 that i was able to find even a little success with PI. now four years later PI is great. i like it

    better than npa.

    soe would be great for you. if u insist on trying to get crazy maybe try perception, chikara,

    or ae. i say go easy. you're still very young and dont need to supplement your natural mones as much.

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    Default Xciting giggly young girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Method
    ive gotten decent results so far with the noob pack..enough to warrant another purchase. i'm

    probably gonna buy either PI, SOE or both. What do you reccomend? is PI/SOE a good combo? Keep in mind im 16 so i

    donno if PI is too strong to attract girls my age.
    I wouldnt worry about the PI just yet but this little

    combo will get you in on the young girls action, 10" or so of SOE and add a little of the juice from a female

    probuct called Xcite wipes, the reason i say this is because a pherodude who is well respected on this forum states

    that whilst he was using the Xcite wipes all of the young girls around him were giggling like crazy, considering

    these wipes arent expensive you could use some of the contents in moderation with your SOE, if i was a young guy i

    recon it would be excellent for chatting up young girls.

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    maybe i should go for an AE/SOE

    combo?...i really got nothing with the AE gel packs tho..or i could go with NPA but i already use TE and they're

    supposed to be the same thing...im almost 17 btw and am a senior in high school..doubt that makes a big difference

    though lol

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    Would TE be a little too much for

    girl around this age?

    BTW. I'm same age as you. ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Method
    maybe i

    should go for an AE/SOE combo?...i really got nothing with the AE gel packs tho..or i could go with NPA but i

    already use TE and they're supposed to be the same thing...im almost 17 btw and am a senior in high school..doubt

    that makes a big difference though lol
    npa is like 5 times stronger than te. how did the te work for

    you? i still think plain soe may be best for you. the soe will really really help you meet girls more easily as

    long as you're not afraid to approach them.

    if u want to spike it further add a touch of te to the soe.

    you'll be able to save money and still have a great combo at your disposal.

    even though all products are

    different as subtle as they may be. the mones you'll have with soe/te can be used to mimic most of the other

    products out there including npa,pi, ae, perception. more importantly you have the nol and none seperate which will

    help you better understand just how exactly each mone works.

    buy what you wish. it's in man's nature to want

    to go overboard for more power than they need. i still say keep it simple. remember most of the threads you read on

    here with regards to success using npa, pi are from users who are several years older than you. what you dont read

    about is all of the trials and tribulations we went through to find that success.

    best of luck to you

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    thanks jollysnowdevil...so yeah

    im definately gonna get some SOE, ive only tried SOE once from the gel pack but from what i can tell and from what i

    hear on the forum it seems to be the best choice. id like to get one other product that i can mix with TE, SoE or

    both, something more sexual with some none in it. im still stuck though between PI NPA and AE.

    I was leaning

    towards PI until you guys advised against it. Since NPA and TE have the same formula i feel like NPA would be a

    waste seeing as i can just apply more TE for the same effect. Then theres AE which seems like a good buy, but i

    havent gotten anything from the gel packs. Its been stated on the forum that the AE gels dont work too well but AE i

    think is generally accepted as one of the best stand alones. THe thing that most attracts me to PI is that ive NEVER

    read a post about PI having no effect. I'm kinda curious just to see what kind of reaction PI will solicit when i

    wear it but 70 bucks is a lil steep for a product thats too strong for me. i guess ill have to decide between AE and

    PI. thanks for the ongoing help in making my choice.

    p.s has anyone gotten ANYTHING from perception gels?

    also

    do you think a PI/SoE mix will tone down the over agression of PI?

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    Default re perception gels

    Quote Originally Posted by Method
    thanks jollysnowdevil...so yeah im definately gonna get some SOE, ive only tried SOE once from the

    gel pack but from what i can tell and from what i hear on the forum it seems to be the best choice. id like to get

    one other product that i can mix with TE, SoE or both, something more sexual with some none in it. im still stuck

    though between PI NPA and AE.

    I was leaning towards PI until you guys advised against it. Since NPA and TE have

    the same formula i feel like NPA would be a waste seeing as i can just apply more TE for the same effect. Then

    theres AE which seems like a good buy, but i havent gotten anything from the gel packs. Its been stated on the forum

    that the AE gels dont work too well but AE i think is generally accepted as one of the best stand alones. THe thing

    that most attracts me to PI is that ive NEVER read a post about PI having no effect. I'm kinda curious just to see

    what kind of reaction PI will solicit when i wear it but 70 bucks is a lil steep for a product thats too strong for

    me. i guess ill have to decide between AE and PI. thanks for the ongoing help in making my choice.

    p.s has

    anyone gotten ANYTHING from perception gels?

    also do you think a PI/SoE mix will tone down the over agression of

    PI?
    Most users report that perception gel seems to be low on pheromone content and there is no one posting

    any hits using this stuff alone and it is mostly used as a fixitive used with other pheromones to make their

    application last for a longer period of time on the skin, you can see this by looking it up on the sales page for

    the 10 ml size which i think consists of 1mg Anone, 2 mg Anol,and 1mg Arone.

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    okay,heres what:
    what alot of

    people (gals do it too) is assume its all about the 'mones and what works for everyone. i am willing to bet you

    read a few post about success with AE,TE,NPA,PI and thought "yeahhhh baby, this stuff is what rocks". the answer is

    what worked with the 'mones was not the strength, but the balance on that particular person. older peeps

    need more 'mones to produce a stronger signiture sometimes, and you my friend may need to have an uncomfortable

    experience to realize this. uncomfortable means that an OD has occured and sometimes people never forget how

    bad you smelled that day .sometimes it isnt even the smell, when your out of balance you become irritating,too much

    'none can make people want to get away from you. if you view it this way :
    your producing the perfect amount of

    what you are trying to buy.... enhance it with some SoE and you have the signiture everyone buying the PI/npa/ae/te

    has.
    im a big fan of the SoE, and even though im old, the young girls DO love it, ive been told so by my friend's

    18 yr old son.
    *reading my own words*
    holy opinionated post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lor
    okay,heres what:
    what alot of people (gals do it too) is assume its all about the 'mones and what

    works for everyone. i am willing to bet you read a few post about success with AE,TE,NPA,PI and thought "yeahhhh

    baby, this stuff is what rocks". the answer is what worked with the 'mones was not the strength, but the

    balance on that particular person. older peeps need more 'mones to produce a stronger signiture sometimes,

    and you my friend may need to have an uncomfortable experience to realize this. uncomfortable means that an OD has

    occured and sometimes people never forget how bad you smelled that day .sometimes it isnt even the smell,

    when your out of balance you become irritating,too much 'none can make people want to get away from you. if you

    view it this way :
    your producing the perfect amount of what you are trying to buy.... enhance it with some SoE and

    you have the signiture everyone buying the PI/npa/ae/te has.
    im a big fan of the SoE, and even though im old, the

    young girls DO love it, ive been told so by my friend's 18 yr old son.
    *reading my own words*
    holy

    opinionated post!
    Even though im old as well 8 jan 1952, i wonder how much or the stuff i am

    producing, i better get another bottle of PI ha, i can easily splash on 2 dabs of NPA and a drop PI and it is magic

    for me especially if i add a few drops SOE, Re your above post... GREAT sums it up.

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    Would being an Asian guy make any

    difference compared to a white guy using it ?

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    LoL
    Lor,

    I was talking to

    some young 22 year olds about how I was learning to snowboard because I getting too old to pick up new activities

    like this.

    And his guy who must have been mid 60's heard me as he boarded by and said, "OLD? Your not

    OLD!"

    I guess these things are relative cause your pic reminds me more of my daughter than most of the ladies i

    Know.

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    Lor, you aren't old. I have at

    least 20 years on you and still haven't even managed to grow up. I'm still rollerblading and laughing at the

    youngsters who can't keep up. When you can't keep up with grandkids you can call yourself old.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    i dont for a second feel old, i was

    speaking to the mind of someone 16. to the 16yr olds, i can guarentee I AM OLD LOL.
    i hear so many people have

    different reasons for needing low/high amounts of 'none that to imediately think more is better is asking for an OD

    i was thinking. but hey, OD'ing might be half the fun of it,no?

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    I had a few ODs in the very

    early days of trying to figure out pheromones and never had any positive experiences from it. Had a few negative

    ones though. My long standing advice to experiment with each product, one at a time, to learn what works ofr you is

    still valid. But then, I'm cheap. If I can get positive results from a small application why would I bother adding

    more even if it did work?
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    So nobody thinks a small drop of

    PI mixed with a lot of SoE would work for someone young like myself?

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    It might, there's only one way

    to find out. A lot depends on you, your own pheromone production and how you handle yourself. Nobody can determine

    it but you, by experimenting. But don't try it just once and conclude it works or doesn't. Try it for a week or

    two so you can really see what it does.
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    you know what? you only live once

    i think im just gonna go ahead and get PI SOE and AE time to experiment

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    These Pheromones need to be tried

    ,And draw your own conclusions .
    What will work for me , May not work for you .
    Now i will get a little

    opinionated , Why the hell would men in there 20s waste there money trying pheromones , or better yet teen age boys

    ? PS I've tried NPA GOOD, AE GOOD, A-1 not used enough yet, SOE GOOD, CHIKARA GOOD, IMPI NOT SURE, LIQUID TRUST

    GOOD ,Alpha -7 good,Wagg N GOOD, aND NOW Masters It effects me personally , but not used enough to guage effects on

    women if any. There are afew others that i have not got around to trying yet such as PI , ETC,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Method
    you know

    what? you only live once i think im just gonna go ahead and get PI SOE and AE time to experiment
    GO easy on

    the PI because even one drop can be to much at times, i use this stuff, and be carefull if you are adding it with

    other androstenone products because if you OD you wont get any favourable results PI is in an oil base its fairly

    heavy and i dont think it difuses into the air as efficiently as it should, and it doesent seem to mix well with

    alcohol based scents but persist with a little to help with its diffusion into the air, PI the stuff works you just

    have to be a bit judicious in its applications or you will get nothing as the worst thing you can do is use too much

    of this dynamite, i like NPA it is my good buddy and is easy to get along with and does not cost the earth i think

    it is the best value androstenone product around apart from one other that i wont mention on this forum.

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    As almost all have said. PI

    is strong. So if you are going to use, go easy on it. Some find a full drop a bit much. I have tried both and favor

    the PI. The SOE seems to work well in club environments. But with any of the pheros, a lil goes a long way. But

    personally I have had much better results with the PI. But then again I am now in the 40 sumthing age group, and am

    6'5". But experiment and find what works for your body chemistry.
    Cheers.

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