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[terry0400-40]

Terry, I am sorry to hear of the Hepatitis infection you had, nasty

little bugs. But they are curable, although in some cases cure means undetectable, that could be 97 to 99% of

a cure. Surly that is another reason to wear a condom, yes, I know some say there is a chance that the hep bug can

permeate a latex condom, but in all fairness the Jury is still out on this one. And if that chance is 00.02% surly

that has to be counted as good odds against becoming infected, ware as non use, leaves you wide open, with just luck

to protect you.

Well i was in a coma at14 yo with loss of blood because of a drunken car

accident when i went off the road on a bend at the 18 mile into Darwin i was going over 100 mph, the mayors daughter

was my passenger, she escaped with one stitch, since then i have had 9 children and 4 wives and none of them have

been infected, so life on Earth has its mysteries, And i only take about about 1/4 of the ozone dose because it

makes me feel sick and it is not easy to drink 35% hydrogen peroxide. Anyway my faith shall make me whole and i

shall be healed.

[surfs_up]

make of it what you will.... :

"NEW YORK - Wearing just a small white towel and a

smile, Bob prowls the dark halls of the East Side Club, looking into dozens of its closet-sized rooms and hoping eye

contact with another man will lead to sex.

“It’s better than going to a bar and taking your chances,” said

Bob, a 46-year-old garden supplies salesman from New Jersey who declined to give his last name. “You always know

something is going to happen here.”

For some gay men, the city’s two 24-hour bathhouses — the East Side Club

in midtown and the West Side Club in Chelsea — live on as a spot for sex without strings despite a recent trend

toward more men hooking up online.

They rent small rooms to have sex in at a cost of $21 for four hours,

after paying a nominal annual membership fee.

Bathhouses, pushed to the fringes of the gay scene in the

mid-1980s when the city shuttered most of them to stem the spread of AIDS, still offer patrons something a bar or

the Internet cannot — near-guaranteed sex in a safe environment.

“In a bathhouse you meet a person in the

flesh in a relatively safe and clean environment where everyone has the same agenda,” said Bill Stackhouse, director

of the Institute for Gay Men’s Health at the Gay Men’s Health Crisis, a group that fights AIDS in New York

City.

“It’s safer than the Internet, where all you have is a photo and maybe some video footage before you go

to someone’s home,” he said.

Operating a business for the purpose of sex violates state law. City officials

say they do inspect the bathhouses, but they are not legally allowed to look inside the rented rooms.

“We do

not access private areas within establishments, ‘private’ meaning closed-door, to make observation,” said Isaac

Weisfuse, deputy commissioner for the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

Several

officials, asked why the city effectively turns a blind eye to the bathhouses, declined comment. The office of Mayor

Michael Bloomberg also declined comment.

An itch to scratch
The two clubs are owned by businessman Ancil

Brown, who declined an interview request, but managers at the clubs allowed a reporter to tour the facilities and

interview patrons.

Nearing midnight on a Saturday at the East Side Club, dozens of middle-aged men roamed

the labyrinthine hallways, hoping to have anonymous sex. Downstairs, five men waited to get in from the lobby,

looking as ordinary as any group of suburban fathers waiting at a dental office.

Peter, 57, a construction

manager with silver hair, goes to the East Side Club once every two weeks and has for years.

“You have that

itch, and it feels good to scratch it,” said Peter, who also did not want to give his last name. “There is still a

place to go for it. You should see this place at 6 (p.m.) before all of the guys go home to their wives.”



Both clubs smell of chlorine and loud techno music bounces off the ceiling and walls of the thin, dark

hallways, which are lined with about 100 rooms and separate steam rooms and showers. They are both housed

anonymously in Manhattan office blocks, identified only by discreet entries on the tenant directory inside the lobby

of each building.

Customers can rent lockers or rooms, which are about 6 by 8 feet, of which a bed with a

2-inch-thick mattress takes up more than half. A small lamp dimly lights the

rooms."

....................................

and so on.... how many of these guys practice safe

sex ? before "going home to their wives" ? Whoa, man... and, like, where does the wife's right to know fit

into this picture ?

[belgareth]

In general, I'd say the bath

houses are a good option for those so inclined. Here, the same thing is done in a local park's restrooms and cars

after dark.

You do ask some good questions though. Safe sex should be almost automatic. You'd have to be a

bloody idiot not to practice safe sex, or so I believe. Yet millions everyday don't practice it and as a result we

have people like Regret who have a death sentence, a rather horrid death sentence, hanging over their heads.

As

for the wife's right to know, I can only say that nobody has the right to endanger another person's life without

their expressed consent. The rest is a private matter between the husband and wife.

[Regret]

The

Fact is, in today’s world, the threat of HIV is firmly in the Heterosexual arena more infections now occur between a

male and female, than homosexual, and at present the hetro world has not yet woken up to this fact, the ignorance,

even down to common STD’s (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) is rife, as demonstrated within this thread,


I think it is important that a Topic like this is forwarded on a site

such as this, even if it is given just a cursory perusal, the threat is real and near you. This site is for those

that seek the company and the affections of another, by trying to attain the edge by using Pheromones, with the out

come being sexual. (Although many here, say they are only experimenting, yeh right!! Let’s get real here. My

objective was to score with the 9’s and 10’s which I achieved. It was a 10 that infected me; ask your self, she may

have the looks and the body! But what else does she have?) So personal safety, and the consideration of the safety

of others must be addressed. There are two methods available, Abstinence, and Latex condoms. Abstinence, It may be

your thing and you have my respect, for that, I never have been able to, until now, until it is to late, practising

the withdrawal method is not recommended as the HIV virus also lives in the Pre-come and in the Vaginal fluid (love

juice) so really, if you are going to be sexually active a condom has a better chance of keeping you

safe.
Please seriously give it some thought, you can have your fun, and

be safe, or you can end up like me,

John.

[surfs_up]

One

of the big takaway points from the bathhouse story is you cannot safely assume you know where someone is coming

from solely based on appearances ... most of those men probably look like upstanding middle aged conservative

"play be the rulebook" citizens.... funny thing, I never see those sorts of guys at the STD clinic... like...

never... I do see other types who are comfortably upfront about who they are, the hookers, the porn actors, the

openly gay.... in a scary sense they are the more trustworthy because they aren't hiding behind a facade of denial

and normality...

The other thing is a major observation by the CDC.... that HIV infection is greatly

facilitated when other STDs are present.... the theory, which sounds reasonable to me, is that other STDs cause the

proliferation of white blood cells at the site of the infection... and it is the WBCs that act as the HIV carrier...

so there is a greatly increased risk of HIV transmission if syphilis, gonhorrea, chylamidia, and possibly herpes is

present... in other words, you want to check the locks on all your doors and windows before you party....

[Regret]

Surf, I could not agree with you more, and that very same problem exists on this site as demonstrated

by a few of the members with the Ostrich approach of burying their heads in the sand, and pretending that the threat

is not out there, and these are people who are calling themselves responsible? They may have the acquired Knowledge

of Pheromones but are sadly lacking in knowledge pertaining to Communicable Diseases, which surely is a must if you

are putting your self on the front line of the dating game, as there will be the question of Sex at some point. It

matters ZILCH, as to how long you have known some one or how good they say their state of heath is the fact is,

you don’t know, and you’re taking a chance, on your own, and others, future Heath, happiness and life it

self, and when it come down to it, for what? The use of a condom!!
People in the Sex industry, as you wisely point out, are only to aware of the threats that exist for them, and

as all good professions are taking precautions to alleviate the problems, with regular tests and condom use, a good

lesson for all.

As

for STD’s there is a new kid on the block LGV (Lymphogranuloma venereum) LGV is caused by a rare type

of Chlamydia bacteria and is cured with antibiotics.
How is LGV passed on?

Men with lots of

sexual partners are at most risk. Unprotected anal sex and fisting without latex gloves are the main ways the

infection is spread. Using sex toys, like dildoes, on more than one person can also spread the

bacteria.
Symptoms

There are three stages to

LGV, with different symptoms depending on what part of the body is

infected.
Stage

one

Three days to three weeks after

getting infected a small, painless sore might appear in your mouth or anus, or on your penis. Many people don’t get

a sore or notice one.
Stage

two

Ten to 30 days later (or longer) your

glands may become painfully swollen and you may feel ill and feverish. If you get infected in the anus you can get

painful inflammation, ulcers and discharge there. If the infection is in your penis you may get a discharge and the

glands in your groin can swell. An infection in the mouth may cause the glands in your neck or armpit to

swell.
Stage

three

If it is left untreated for a long

time, LGV will cause serious lasting damage to your anus or

penis.
Treatment

Three weeks of antibiotics

can cure LGV if it is treated before stage three.
Protect yourself and others

You can

reduce the risk of getting LGV if you use condoms