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    Default 'nother New Product (Liquid Trust)

    This

    one is for men or women.
    http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...roducts_id/108

    I got the

    1/4 oz bottles to make it easier to give it a try; no idea if it works or not. Oxytocin definitely has an effect

    when inhaled; hard to say if they put enough in to work as a cologne.

    Let us know what you think.

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    ohh another one? dang.....

    why are all these new mones comeing in when i don't have a job! haha. dose anyone know what oxytocin is "suppose"

    to do?

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    Facilitate bonding and trust.
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    My understanding was that oxytocin

    was only stable in solution for a short period before breaking down. Has the manufacturer found a way to stableize

    it for longer periods??
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    What's the concentration of this

    product?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnjim
    My understanding

    was that oxytocin was only stable in solution for a short period before breaking down. Has the manufacturer found a

    way to stableize it for longer periods??
    I second that.

    Could we have a little bit more

    specifics on this .mone or whatever it is? manufacturer? etc...

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    Check out their home page at

    verolabs.com.

    There is lots of info on oxytocin on the web, but they don't tell you how much is in the

    product.

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    Well depending on some unknown

    stability process, we might have 7 days.

    From:
    American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology. 186(3):496-498,

    March 2002.
    Gard, John W. RPh; Alexander, James M. MD; Bawdon, Roger E. PhD; Albrecht, Jon T.

    RPh



    "Abstract:
    OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to determine the stability of oxytocin in

    lactated Ringer's solution and lactated Ringer's-dextrose 5% solution over a 24-hour period at 25[degrees]C and

    over a 7-day period at 5[degrees]C.
    STUDY DESIGN: Twenty units (2.1 [mu]g equal 1 unit) of oxytocin were injected

    into 1000 mL of lactated Ringer's solution and lactated Ringer's-dextrose 5% solution. Samples for the analysis

    were drawn at specified times after storage at 5[degrees]C and 25[degrees]C. These samples were stored at

    -70[degrees]C for later analysis. Statistical analysis was done with 1-way analysis of variance and Tukey-Kramer

    multiple comparisons.
    RESULTS: Twenty units of oxytocin in 1000 mL of lactated Ringer's solution and lactated

    Ringer's-dextrose 5% solution was found to be stable for 7 days at 5[degrees]C and for 24 hours at

    25[degrees]C
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnjim
    Well depending on

    some unknown stability process, we might have 7 days.

    From:
    American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology.

    186(3):496-498, March 2002.
    Gard, John W. RPh; Alexander, James M. MD; Bawdon, Roger E. PhD;

    Albrecht, Jon T. RPh



    "Abstract:
    OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to determine the

    stability of oxytocin in lactated Ringer's solution and lactated Ringer's-dextrose 5% solution over a 24-hour

    period at 25[degrees]C and over a 7-day period at 5[degrees]C.
    STUDY DESIGN: Twenty units (2.1 [mu]g equal 1

    unit) of oxytocin were injected into 1000 mL of lactated Ringer's solution and lactated Ringer's-dextrose 5%

    solution. Samples for the analysis were drawn at specified times after storage at 5[degrees]C and 25[degrees]C.

    These samples were stored at -70[degrees]C for later analysis. Statistical analysis was done with 1-way analysis of

    variance and Tukey-Kramer multiple comparisons.
    RESULTS: Twenty units of oxytocin in 1000 mL of lactated

    Ringer's solution and lactated Ringer's-dextrose 5% solution was found to be stable for 7 days at 5[degrees]C

    and for 24 hours at 25[degrees]C
    ."
    m-jim, im not understanding this completely, but if this

    product will dissipate and disapear on the time frame you mentioned and at the temperatures you state with the

    study, then I find it will only last on the body for a very very short time, the human body is approximatly 37

    degrees C constant, even on the skin. If this is true about this product then even if it were freezed, then applied

    to the skin, it wouldnt last very long. 7 days? more like 7 minutes.

    the link that Bruce provided shows a

    very sleek website dedicated to this product, hope the product lives up to the testimonials on that site, I

    personally will wait for more feedback from the forum....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronzie
    m-jim, im not

    understanding this completely, but if this product will dissipate and disapear on the time frame you mentioned and

    at the temperatures you state with the study, then I find it will only last on the body for a very very short time,

    the human body is approximatly 37 degrees C constant, even on the skin. If this is true about this product then even

    if it were freezed, then applied to the skin, it wouldnt last very long. 7 days? more like 7 minutes...
    I

    posted that abstract because I was wondering about the solution's stability in the bottle, and the time

    between manufacture and use. Even if manufactured as advertised, would it still be anything useful by the time we

    got it? That was what I was questioning, not the time after application. Their site claims a 2-4 hour life span.

    I'm so used to Bruce having high quality products here, this is the first one I've ever questioned.
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    hmmmm 2-4 hrs? hmmmmmm



    after reading all your guy's posts and my research, i think i will actually give this product a try.

    well

    first of all its only like 20 bucks. and with that short hr span for the effectiveness and considering what oxytocin

    dose, i think thats all the time you need. all you have to do is when you think you need some or the time is right

    just spray it and tada.... cause you don't really want that on you all the time, just like someone said, you migh

    make some bad decision while on it, if you are affected by it all the time......

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    Worthy thread on the subject

    matter at

    hand.
    http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?

    t=14370


    And according to the study above, wouldnt the stuff last a full day at room temperature? From my

    experiments the stuff seemed to dissapear quick. But it wasnt Liquid Trust so who knows.

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    This stuff sounds great but

    I didn't like what they had to say about pheromones. They said that pheromones release oxytocin in the opposite

    person and that's what makes pheromones what they are. I'm not saying that's not true but they're kinda

    discouraging pheromone use. But hey, I'm willing to try it when I get some doe. And some more SOE. hehe
    "Freedom to change seems to come after acceptance of ourselves." -BT pg. 56

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    From what I read last time

    the participants effected by oxytocin in the study received a nasal spray. I would rather not spray something up a

    targets nose.
    24 year old, good looking, white guy SOE+NPA works like a charm
    Chikara no results nice scent
    Pherlure cant wear it; strong scent headache
    AA314 good stuff
    NPA girls get frisky, stinks
    A7 almost as good as NPA
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxveritas
    From what I read

    last time the participants effected by oxytocin in the study received a nasal spray. I would rather not spray

    something up a targets nose.
    why not?
    It's the ultimate turn on walking up to a chick and saying

    "excuse me while i spray you up the nose , by the way you may find this turns me into Brad Pitt for the rest of the

    evening"

    I find beer works for me....
    early 40's white male or or

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    If this product works the way

    they claim -- which, frankly, seems a little doubtful -- wouldn't it have more of an effect on you (since you'd be

    breathing more of it) than the person you're with? It might make you feel good, but it also might give you

    inappropriate feelings of trust and affection toward everyone you meet... which could result in some pretty bad

    decisions.

    Anyway, that's the great thing about these forums -- I'll look forward to hearing the reactions of

    those of you who decide to try it out.

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    If this product works

    the way they claim -- which, frankly, seems a little doubtful -- wouldn't it have more of an effect on you (since

    you'd be breathing more of it) than the person you're with? It might make you feel good, but it also might give

    you inappropriate feelings of trust and affection toward everyone you meet... which could result in some pretty bad

    decisions.
    i did some reasearch on oxytocin, and i read alot of reduce social anxiaty. i think thats

    whats going on while you are breathing it in. cause i trust people more that you are not afride to interact with

    stranger. or thats the conclution i am getting at.

    but man as soon as i get some money, man im going to update

    my mone collection.... and i can't wait!!

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    If you snort cocaine it has

    an effect. If you smell cocaine I doubt much happens. It seemed to be a study about nasally delivered hormones. You

    could probably snort testosterone and have results too.
    24 year old, good looking, white guy SOE+NPA works like a charm
    Chikara no results nice scent
    Pherlure cant wear it; strong scent headache
    AA314 good stuff
    NPA girls get frisky, stinks
    A7 almost as good as NPA
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    I thought it was

    fairly cheap to buy oxycotin from veterinarian suppliers. I didn't know about the stability issues, and the only

    thing that ever stopped me from trying it was that, a priori, I expected skin application to be an ineffective

    delivery system, and that it would affect me more than the target.

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    The only thing I know about

    oxytocin is that it causes "let down" in breast feeding women. For instance, a baby crying, or the sound of a

    breast pump will cause the release of oxytocin, which in turn causes the breasts to immediately leak or squirt milk,

    despite lack of pressure on the breasts.

    You probably don't want to know why I know so much about breast

    feeding. No, I don't have kids.

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    "You probably don't

    want to know why I know so much about breast feeding. No, I don't have kids."

    Of course we want to

    know!!!!
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    so i take it no one has

    actually tried this product?

    can we get a little feedback from those who have? thanks!


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    They don't call it the

    "cuddle drug" for nothing...

    This is the 'opposite' of a pheromone. Whereas pheromones are used prior to

    mating to promote sexual attraction, oxytocin is used after mating to promote bonding with a person. Oxytocin is

    why couples spoon, women (and men) want to cuddle after sex, and men roll over and fall asleep after climax.

    The

    rest of this message is conjecture and based on the assumption that artificial oxytocin placed on the body could

    produce the same effect as the natural form after climax:

    I would doubt the longevity of this product as well,

    as oxytocin is meant to produce a temporary state (whether it be lactating or cuddling after sex). Pheromones, on

    the other hand, need to last longer so you have time to interact with many potential mates before you find the one

    that suits you best.

    If you were thinking of its optimal use, it would be great to have if you wanted to promote

    relaxation and intimacy with a loved one, since it gives you the post-sex cuddling session without the sex (but what

    man would want that?). As for using it on someone you aren't intimate with, it would most likely make them more

    intimate with you as well, meaning touching or bonding. That said, I'm curious of its effect on the same sex.



    I could actually see this being beneficial if you want to get someone to drop their guard and open up to you, as

    it states, which may be great for introverts (who like to bypass brutal small talk and get to other topics) or

    people who like to accelerate new friendships.

    For personal use, it might make a great item for people who need

    to relax or get some good, loving feelings going through their bodies...I could see the potential downer, though, if

    you used it and didn't have an outlet for your affections.

    Just a warning for the men out there - I wouldn't

    recommend using this for sexual purposes. Like I said, it's purpose is for after sex in humans. Who knows, though

    - if you get the oxytocin without the sex, maybe it will cause the cuddly feelings that produce the intimacy needed

    to have loving sex.

    The skepticism is warranted - if it makes you feel cuddly, how does that help you with other

    people? It might make you more trusting and them not so much, so that could create an imbalance.

    A combination

    of this and NLP techniques may be a great way to develop instant rapport with someone, but that would be an ideal

    result.

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    Ok, That very informed

    specualtion is great. I can't imagine that this stuff is highly effective, but may provide some sort of edge in

    this regard. There just has not been many people posting their actual experience so its difficult to know what this

    stuff does. I just ordered some. It will arrive sometime next week and we shall see what it does in the real

    world. I'll post my experience in a few weeks.

    Best wishes...

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    I just ordered some a

    1/4 oz bottle of liquid trust from love-scent. I hope it comes before the weekend after next because I really am

    looking forward to trying it out at the club I go to every weekend. I've gotten amazing results with the A314 and

    Primal Instinct as far as the sexual response is concerned, but if the trust inducing properties of oxytocin are

    half as good as the liquid trust site says it is, I'll be in for a lot more action than I'm already getting, which

    is a heck of a lot as it is.

    If I'm happy with the results, I'll probably buy a years supply from

    verolabs.

    http://www.verolabs.com/product.php?...868.248.253.87

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    I think it would be more

    appropriate if you bought your year's or whatever supply from Bruce. I'm going to order some today but won't be

    able to test till next week as I'm headed to Florida for the weekend.
    There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!

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    They need to convince me that

    they have stablised it's quick breakdown before I buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by palatinecreator
    I've

    gotten amazing results with the A314 and Primal Instinct as far as the sexual response is

    concerned
    I'd sure love to hear all the details on that mix, if it is in a mix (application,

    application points, your age, ages of those it affected, did you mix them or apply them on different areas, cover

    scent ... all of'it!)?

    Thanks!

    Back to the regular scheduled program ... yeah, I'd like to be

    trusted!
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by palatinecreator
    I've

    gotten amazing results with the A314 and Primal Instinct as far as the sexual response is

    concerned
    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    I'd sure love to hear all the details on that mix, if it is in a mix

    (application, application points, your age, ages of those it affected, did you mix them or apply them on different

    areas, cover scent ... all of'it!)?

    Thanks!

    Back to the regular scheduled program ... yeah, I'd

    like to be trusted!
    Palatinecreator, may I have your A314:PI recipe? Pretty please?

    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    The problem

    with oxytocin in "nasal sprays" is that it's considered to be a RX only (prescription) drug by the FDA...

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