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    Default Androsterone and reduced anxiety

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    RM, Marini H, Won-Joo K, and Rogawski MA (2005) Anticonvulsant activity of androsterone and etiocholanolone.

    Epilepsia 46:819–827.

    "Androstanediol is a positive modulator of
    GABAA receptors (Frye et al., 1996) with

    potent anxiolytic
    and anticonvulsant activity (Frye and Reed, 1998; Reddy,
    2004a,b); recently, we confirmed

    that androsterone has similar
    systemic activities (Kaminski et al., 2005)."

    An anxiolytic is any drug or

    therapy used in the treatment of anxiety disorders. I am following up on this recent report to determine whether

    GABA interaction might be the means by which androsterone (as used in SoE for men) might indicate reduced anxiety in

    the wearer as well as reduce anxiety in people (especially women) who are exposed to it.

    It's somewhat

    satisfying to see the Forum members indicate this effect, but more satisfying to find scientific support for the

    effect.

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    Reducing a woman's inherent

    anxiety when meeting a new man helps her feel safe more quickly, and it's important for her to feel safe in the

    man's presence in order to feel (or strengthen) attraction toward him.

    That makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendly1
    Reducing a

    woman's inherent anxiety when meeting a new man helps her feel safe more quickly, and it's important for her to

    feel safe in the man's presence in order to feel (or strengthen) attraction toward him.

    That makes

    sense.
    Agreed. I think this is what's happening when we read Forum reports that women seem to feel

    more relaxed or are more talkative with exposure to products containing

    androsterone.

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    jvkohl, I wanted to nail the

    biggest exibitionist high nose narcistic female, I and most men would rate her a 9 or 10 in the looks department. I

    have known this girl for years through some friends, but I never nailed her, but I have tried, but one night last

    year when out, I wore your product and lots of it, SOE with Alter Ego, she was hugging me all night, alas I still

    didnt nail her, more to do with my shock at her action and my lack of action. My long time ambition yet not

    fullfilled.

    Since both products do contain androsterone, I think what you are suggesting might have some

    bearing, at least in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronzie
    Since both

    products do contain androsterone, I think what you are suggesting might have some bearing, at least in my

    experience.
    I experimented with androsterone for at least 2 years before my decision to use it in

    SoE/men. Had I not been single at the time, my experiments most likely would have caused a divorce. Also of interest

    may be the fact that when I first attempted to get androsterone from Sigma Chemical Company, I was told that it was

    a controlled substance (anabolic steroid). Only by going up their chain of command was I able to legally acquire it,

    and one of their key people finally informed others that it was not a controlled

    substance.

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    Okay, so let's say that

    Androstenone (NONE, not RONE) is an aggressive pheromone that is produced from physical exertion. A man who is all

    stinky and sweaty may have just been out killing something big and mean.

    It could send the "I'm very dangerous"

    signal to animals and other people. Other men will respect him, women will fear his power but perhaps be fascinated

    with his strength, and animals will either avoid the deadly hunter or supplicate him.

    I've had dogs and cats

    act very, very submissive when I was wearing strong applications of Androstenone.

    So the girls are reacting to

    Androstenone because we project strength and power. They get a "scary thrill" from our proximity, but we're seeing

    good results from the mixes because we need the other pheromones to show that we are safe and non-threatening in our

    aggressive power states.

    Does that make sense?

    ON EDIT: I know I am mixing up my Androstenone and

    Androsterone posts, but I am wiggling toward a Unified Pheromone Theory.

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    jvkohl, thanks to your product

    and your persistance in developing it as it has given me one of my most memorable hits. And other hits which I dont

    care to mention or go into detail for various reasons.

    As for going up the chain of command to find out the

    truth about something including what you said, thats usually the case in every area of life sad to say, a person

    that can do that should be commended, its a good trait and a virtue, almost journalistic in nature.

    I will be

    purchasing your product again as my bottle has run out.

    P.S I wish it had the effects of an anabolic steroid!

    without the side effects of a bodybuilders steroid, I train with weights (gym) and have been looking far and wide

    for something that will increase my muscle size without the side effects, tried everything, protien powder,

    creatine, I just dont want to take the next step in using a Anabolic bodybuilders Steroid because of the side

    effects, as I know your a biology expert and from past postings, I mean way past (a few years ago) you are or were

    also a bodybuilder. Wonder if you could give me some advice. Too many bodybuilder forums out there are congested

    with meat-head bodybuilders that take steroids but dont consider the side effects and are not of help in providing

    good information. I want to make a valued judgement on the whole Issue, last thing I want is for my liver to give

    way when im 50 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronzie
    I just dont want

    to take the next step in using a Anabolic bodybuilders Steroid because of the side effects, as I know your a biology

    expert and from past postings, I mean way past (a few years ago) you are or were also a bodybuilder. Wonder if you

    could give me some advice. Too many bodybuilder forums out there are congested with meat-head bodybuilders that take

    steroids but dont consider the side effects and are not of help in providing good information. I want to make a

    valued judgement on the whole Issue, last thing I want is for my liver to give way when im 50 years

    old.
    Put a dab of SoE/women under your nose when you begin your workout -- or even afterwards.

    Reportedly, the copulin formula used in this product increased testosterone levels in males who were exposed to it

    by 150%. This has been discussed on the Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvkohl
    Put a dab of

    SoE/women under your nose when you begin your workout -- or even afterwards. Reportedly, the copulin formula used in

    this product increased testosterone levels in males who were exposed to it by 150%. This has been discussed on the

    Forum.

    JVK
    Whoa 150%? I knew copulins were

    capable of increasing a mans t-levels, and even made a thread on working out using copulins...but I never expected

    such a signficant jump in t-levels. I'll have to try that out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma
    Whoa 150%? I knew

    copulins were capable of increasing a mans t-levels, and even made a thread on working out using copulins...but I

    never expected such a signficant jump in t-levels. I'll have to try that out!
    Another partial

    abstract from the conference next week attests to the likely benefit of adding a pleasant fragrance to the copulin

    formula used in SoE/women. I'm surprised at how few Forum members are aware of research in this

    area.

    EFFECTS OF PLEASANT AND UNPLEASANT ODORS ON EXERCISE PERFORMANCE Timothy A.A., Hornung D.E.
    "As

    expected, exposure to lavender improved exercise performance compared to the performance seen with the water

    control.... The increase in performance seen with lavender was accompanied by a decreased heart rate for at least

    part of the exercise period..."

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    jvkohl, thats an amazing idea,

    that never ever crossed my mind, yes I have read about copulins and how they will increase testosterone levels by

    the margin you mentioned, I will try that for sure! but Lavender? I have a whole aromatherapy set, in fact I burn

    oils, the real oils just to relax and chill out before sleep, and they do work, but I never thought of using them in

    other ways? Putting Lavender under my nose and going to the gym? I might attract the wrong kind of attention...like

    having a big muscle bound gay bodybuilder give me a rose? scary thought...

    I wonder what power-lifters put

    under thier nose just before a lift? You see them doing that at the Olympics, could it be some testosterone

    enhancing chemical, but that would be a banned practice I presume at an event like the Olympics? I have always

    wondered about that, I always thought it was some kind of nasal decongestant, but I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronzie
    I wonder what

    power-lifters put under thier nose just before a lift? You see them doing that at the Olympics, could it be some

    testosterone enhancing chemical, but that would be a banned practice I presume at an event like the Olympics? I have

    always wondered about that, I always thought it was some kind of nasal decongestant, but I may be

    wrong.
    Peppermint has performance-enhancing capabilities, also --at least according to one study.



    JVK

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    JV – Okay, this

    hits too close to my situation to stay out of the discussion. However, there are so many confounded variables as to

    make proper attribution of causes near impossible.


    Years ago (25+) I was

    into bodybuilding, and though I lost most of it by becoming an office worker, never quite lost it

    all.


    I’ve been taking GHR-15 along w/ a B-50 tablet for several years with

    very beneficial results despite “expert” nay-sayers. Go do any web search on it to come up with any number of

    claims, enough of which seemed to be working for me to continue purchasing it. It even seemed to be helping me gain

    a little muscle mass back when I started lifting fairly regular over a year back.




    A little after A314 came out, I finally settled on an “office mix” applied about 07:00 each day

    of 1 to 2 drops A314, 1 to 2 dabs of APC, and 4 to 10” of SoE (varied according to what I think I need to project

    that day). It is now even my standard out of the office.


    After wearing

    this mix regularly, I started seeing more muscle growth, and a greater sense of general vitality, but was

    attributing it to the GHR-15, though why should that start working better after I had already been using it for

    awhile?


    Having read your book, The Scent of Eros, I was remembering

    how pheromones play an essential role in pubescent development, and was wondering if they were having an additional

    effect on me at the gym.


    At this point let me comment that I am lifting

    among the heaviest weights of anyone lifting at that gym. One man that has been lifting consistently for years can

    out lift me in a couple exercises, and one young buck that is half again my size, and also an accomplished lifter

    does also, but in numerous exercises I am out lifting both of them, and am catching up quick on the others. I was

    attributing this to my former weight training (some say “muscles have memories”), and just plain guts, and will

    power.


    At the end of January I got the flu that seemed to sweep the

    country, and didn’t exercise at all. I had been running 5+ days/ week, and lifting 3 days. I started back with the

    lifting first, and noticed so much good feeling, and apparent gain that I was thinking perhaps I had been running

    off part of the muscles that I had been lifting on. I’ve decided to forego the running for about six months to see

    what happens.


    Well it’s happening. I’m gaining so much, so fast that

    others are taking notice. An office mate was thinking I’d gained about 15 pounds because my shirts are stretching

    tight in the shoulders. He is a lifter also. I haven’t gained that much, but there is a noticeable shift in what is

    muscle, and what was fat.


    A couple weeks back, having run out of GHR-15, I

    switched to the “new improved” third iteration called GH Renew-U Gold, and have been very pleased with an additional

    feeling of being pumped longer after working out, and seeing even faster growth.




    Even a really fit, shapely, young (9+) blonde exercise instructor over at teh gym is taking

    notice. For which in the last week I’ve gone to wearing plenty of SoE, and a spray of Impi before going over to work

    out. The additional mones are affecting her, and everyone else. There is an “air” of friendliness, and chattiness.

    I’ve first been rolling the SoE around my mouth a couple times, and spraying the Impi over the top onto my nose, and

    mouth to get the mones airborne from heavy breathing. I seemed to get a boost lifting from the Impi &

    SoE.


    Now between various formulations of GHR, not running, scented SoE,

    A314, APC, and now Impi (old bottle version #1), who can say which is causing what? However, you can bet I’m going

    to keep it up.


    I just checked a pheromone specs list, and came up with

    .400 mg/ml Nol + .100mg/ml Rone in SoE for Men, and .500 mg/ml Nol + .100 mg/ml Rone in SoE for women. This can’t be

    right, as SoE for women has a total concentration of .500 mg/ml. Do you care to comment on, or correct

    this?


    The Love-Scent Phero Library Guide has no listing for

    SoE/w.

    The L-S product table is confusing for SoE/w.



    The L-S store says SoE for women has a “light floral scent” – Lavendar

    perhaps?


    What is in SoE for women that

    might add yet more to lifting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shenandoah
    I just

    checked a pheromone specs list, and came up with .400 mg/ml Nol + .100mg/ml Rone in SoE for Men, and .500 mg/ml Nol

    + .100 mg/ml Rone in SoE for women. This can’t be right, as SoE for women has a total concentration of .500 mg/ml.

    Do you care to comment on, or correct this?
    Only that I don't know where the information came from

    regarding SoE/women

    Quote Originally Posted by Shenandoah
    What is in SoE for women that might add yet more to

    lifting?
    It is the copulin formula tested by Astrid Jutte, with a bit of androstenol to help ensure a

    positive unconscious affect on the women who wear it. However, the fragrace added by the perfumer attests to his

    phenomenal expertise. Simply put, product development is not that simple. The process took several

    years.

    JVK

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    Default Androsterone: proposed mechanism of action

    Androstenol exposure elicits a luteinizing hormone (LH) response in women. Including androstenol and androsterone

    in the SoE/men formula allows for the likelihood of LH conditioning to androsterone, and downstream effects on

    estrogen and testosterone levels in women. The following exerpts support this explanation, and helps to explain why

    women (and men) develop odor preferences that correlate in some cases with sexual

    preferences.

    ---------------------------
    Graham and Desjardins (1980) reported a conditioned increase in

    serum testosterone and luteinizing hormone in male rats following access to a wintergreen odor previously paired

    with copulation to ejaculation. Males in an unpaired control group did not show any increase in hormone levels

    following exposure to the odor. However, males in both groups exposed to estrous vaginal secretions showed identical

    increases in these hormones, which suggests that unconditioned hormone release is mimicked reliably following

    pairing of odor with sexual reward.

    In summary, female rats can learn to associate a neutral odor
    with

    sexual reward. An odor paired with the ability of females to
    pace copulation becomes a sexual incentive, such

    that males bearing the odor are preferred when females are given a choice between scented and unscented males. Thus,

    just like male rats,
    female rats can learn to modify their sexual behavior and partner
    preferences on the

    basis of experience with sexual reward. This
    confirms that early sexual experiences have particularly

    powerful
    influences on subsequent sexual preferences and that the development of sexual preferences is influenced

    by interactions between conditioned stimulus– unconditioned stimulus pairings and motivational

    variables.
    -------------------------------------
    Reference:Coria-Avila GA, Ouimet AJ, Pacheco P, Manzo J,

    Pfaus JG. Olfactory conditioned partner preference in the female rat.
    Behav Neurosci. 2005 Jun;119(3):716-25.

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    Default and copulins effects?

    sorry to

    change the pheromone but want does copulins exposure elicit on women and what does it lead to in terms of

    hormones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvrw6
    sorry to change the

    pheromone but want does copulins exposure elicit on women and what does it lead to in terms of

    hormones?
    No scientific studies show effects of copulins on women,

    yet.

    JVK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendly1
    Okay, so let's say

    that Androstenone (NONE, not RONE) is an aggressive pheromone that is produced from physical exertion. A man who is

    all stinky and sweaty may have just been out killing something big and mean.

    It could send the "I'm very

    dangerous" signal to animals and other people. Other men will respect him, women will fear his power but perhaps be

    fascinated with his strength, and animals will either avoid the deadly hunter or supplicate him.

    I've had

    dogs and cats act very, very submissive when I was wearing strong applications of Androstenone.

    So the girls

    are reacting to Androstenone because we project strength and power. They get a "scary thrill" from our proximity,

    but we're seeing good results from the mixes because we need the other pheromones to show that we are safe and

    non-threatening in our aggressive power states.

    Does that make sense?

    ON EDIT: I know I am mixing up

    my Androstenone and Androsterone posts, but I am wiggling toward a Unified Pheromone Theory.
    That's

    definitely correct, in my opinion. Well done!
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    Here's an anecdote. I'm a music

    professor and, besides teaching, I perform regularly in everything from small rooms to large theaters. Like most

    performers I suffer from stage anxiety. I've learned to live with it and contain it, but not eliminate it. I can

    play extremely well while high on adrenaline but don't enjoy the shits and gut twisting it imparts. Once I start

    playing, I usually forget about it and get lost in the music. However the anxiety makes for an unpleasant time

    beforehand.

    I wear 'mones nearly everyday but not normally at performances. Yesterday--my guts twisted in

    knots and my heat beating like a drum--I soaked myself in SOE, 4 drops of 'rone and a dab of TE. Within 10 or 15

    minutes I had become exceedingly calm. A couple hours later I performed in a 600 hundred seat theater, ripped like a

    raped ape and was calm as a cucumber.

    So, looks like my supply of SOE and 'rone will be a tax write-off next

    year...
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