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    I am: 24, average

    body shaped, tall. North-European, intellectual

    What I want: being (appeared as) energic, self-confident,

    talkative, getting attention

    Target: girls aged 18-25,
    Purpose, in order: 1. Getting dates/seduction 2.

    Flirting 3. Sexual activity in general

    But,
    AE: for appearing as a stabile, mature person (allready being that,

    maybe not really that exciting...)

    PI: quite aggressive; it would be nice to take evenings also with friends in

    the same time, and also does this suit so well to actual dates coming up then?

    NPA: much of positive feedback,

    but target is more a little bit older age group?

    Have you any recommendations or ideas?

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    I'd get the beginners kit, NPA,

    and SOE. And test to see if you can get results with those. You will need to do a lot of testing. If you have money,

    I would also get A1 and A314.

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    Hi and thanks for the reply.

    Altought, it would be useful to argument suggestions more, eg. why so.

    For an example, beginners kit seems to

    include Edge, which is quite a same thing as NPA. So no point at all, in my opinion, to order both.
    Last edited by mato; 04-15-2006 at 06:42 AM.

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    I agree that TE and NPA may be too

    similar. Just get one or the other to start. -none is a tough pheromone to figure out. I think it's too easy to OD

    with it especially early on in a dating/social type situation. I'd avoid Primal Instinct at first.

    I'd

    personally aim for the more social products like SOE (talkative), a "leadership" product like a314(confidence), and

    perhaps a "general purpose" product like Chikara or AE.
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    My test plan:


    Base: AE,

    changing from 1...4 dabs and looking for reactions
    Addition: Le Male as a scent, NPA from 0..4 dabs. 1/4 of

    SOE/chikara gel packet for additional varieties.

    So far, got an headache from NPA, no other reactions

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    Does "don't really smell a

    thing" actually means too low dosage? (As, 4 drops of AE doesn't seem to be so "low"..)

    NPA smells only like an

    alcohol to me (in a bottle, nothing at all on a skin), but definetly contains something; applied to neck 2 daps

    makes me feel a little bit uneasy and air thicker. Gives really fast an headache.

    Do you recall some other person

    in this forum, who has had kind of same characteristics in general and found a good working mix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mato
    Does "don't really

    smell a thing" actually means too low dosage? (As, 4 drops of AE doesn't seem to be so "low"..)

    NPA smells only

    like an alcohol to me (in a bottle, nothing at all on a skin), but definetly contains something; applied to neck 2

    daps makes me feel a little bit uneasy and air thicker. Gives really fast an headache.
    ~25% of the male

    population can not smell ~NONE.
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    I think you're too focused on

    none products. None works well, but is highly inconsistent and has some negative effects. Pick up some of the more

    socially oriented product. SOE and A314 are good choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma
    I think you're too

    focused on none products. None works well, but is highly inconsistent and has some negative effects. Pick up some

    of the more socially oriented product. SOE and A314 are good choices.
    You maybe right on that. I was in

    an illusion otherwise, but now calculated that when NPA contains 50% none, AE is 44% (!!)

    Really hard to believe

    they are quite the same in that amount, as NPA feels very strong, AE does not. Also, people often dilute NPA as much

    as 1:5 or 1:7, AE is usually used as-is. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mato
    You maybe

    right on that. I was in an illusion otherwise, but now calculated that when NPA contains 50% none, AE is 44% (!!)



    Really hard to believe they are quite the same in that amount, as NPA feels very strong, AE does not. Also, people

    often dilute NPA as much as 1:5 or 1:7, AE is usually used as-is. Strange.
    your numbers seem a bit off.

    npa has more none than ae. npa is none + a secret ingredient. it is really meant to be used as an additive to your

    favorite cologne. however since most of us like to know how much we are wearing for consistency and testing purposes

    a lot of us feel it is better used straight from the bottle or mixing in small batches with other mones/scents.

    personally depending on the situation i dont always like to wear the same amount of npa and overdosing on cologne

    just to increase my npa dose isnt very effective for me.

    oh yeah npa and te are the same thing only npa is a lot

    more concentrated and does not have the scent that te does.

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    According to pherolibrary,

    AE: 2

    androstenone:1.5 androstenol:1 androstrerone
    = 44% -none

    NPA:1 androstenone:1 secret ingredient
    = 50%

    -none

    ==> AE should in practise be quite equal in -none concentration to NPA! (and therefore should also being

    diluted as much, in order to avoid OD of -none, but for some reason that is very rarely done according to the forum

    posts).

    Is there something I didn't get right?

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    the one thing you forgot to

    factor in is how big the bottles are, what the actual mone content is insted of % (part for part)

    and as people

    get exp under thier belt with useing NPA, they learn how much they need for thier liking that they don't need to

    dilude it anymore.

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    Aa, that clears the picture



    But,

    AE: total pheros 0.45 mg/ml * 44% none = 0,198 mg /ml none
    NPA: total pheros 0.48 mg/ml * 50%

    none = 0,240 mg /ml none

    in 1 ml, AE has 83% as much none as NPA
    which is still quite high. (If using one

    dap of NPA as diluted solution 1:5, then with this logic the one using AE should also dilute its something like 1:4,

    for equal none amount)


    Furthermore, when you compare this 1:4 diluted AE with SOE,
    SOE: Androstenol 0.4

    mg /ml
    SOE: Androsterone 0.1 mg /ml
    VS.
    AE: Androstenol 0.03 mg/ml
    AE: Androsterone 0.02

    mg/ml
    the (other compound than -NONE) amounts are 1/10 to SOE which means they hardly do any noticeable effect in

    the mixture.


    So, what am I trying to say here is, that AE == NPA
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    There is some fuzzy methodology

    to your maths and argument.

    Simply put, even though AE has only slightly less -none concentration than NPA (0.04

    mg/ml), the 0.15 mg/ml of -nol and 0.1 mg/ml of -rone help to balance out the overall effect because they are not

    intimidating, quite the opposite in fact. Add to this that NPA's secret seems to add to the overall

    aggressiveness/intimidation of the product and you should understand why people dilute so much.
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    ae seems to be well balanced

    out with the other stuff thats in it and NPA is made just for the puppose of the aggressive alpha immage.

    with

    me tho, if i only war NPA, im not as outgoing (don't like that) but the girls get really horny around me. ae give

    me the bad ass vibe (well mroe of a carefree vibe, but normally i like being a badass so that vibe comes in pretty

    strong on ae )

    today i wore 2 daps of NPA with 2 drops of AE over the spots so it covers the smell. i must say

    it worked pretty good for me. (last week i started useing something like that but wiht TE insted of NPA, never done

    mixes like this before and man i love it.

    i think im oding.... but the weird thing about when i od is that i

    only od with guys. but never really with girls...... they just get turned on. you migh think well then why not od

    all the time then.... well its pretty hard to get anything done with girls when you are in a battle with guys.

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    I think I'm unable to get the AE

    dosage right, maybe due that -none. Perhaps getting a minor kind-of respect more from males (but, NPA works on that

    better, I think).

    Girls seem to anyway a)not paying attention at all or b)be a little bit negatively annoyed,

    for no particular reason.

    Still far from a rock star imago.

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    Now we're getting into something.



    Used: 1 drop of WAGG into face/forehead (+ a little bit of SOE into hands). Had some old mones from the day

    before, as I didn't shower and used the same shirt, don't know was that something to do with everything also.



    Response: Went to a home party with only a few people I already knew. Drunken guys were friendly in a way have I

    rarely seen before; it was almost irritating. Not so much response from the girls, but there were not so many of

    them there anyway. The effect was more clear with alpha-type strangers which I didn't know already (football

    players ) and also, the fade-away after 2-3 hours was clear; suddenly I was again "just a some stranger to

    them".

    I really hope that this hasn't have the same problem I seem to have with NPA/Alter Ego: I do get some

    respect from males, but already a few girls have said that "I somehow irritate them" (in a negative way, I think) if

    there is some reaction at all. Overdose still makes both genders somewhat uncomfortable/quiet, however, and that

    effect is clearly visible.

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