Thanks, but how do I pick up shielas

[tim929]

In my experience,the best way to

pick up women is to have half of your chase team on each side of them,then have the net man chase them up the center

with a net.The guy with the dart rifle stays just ahead of the rest of you and off to one side so as not to be

trampled by the wild beast as she runs by.If the dart is well placed,the net man should be able to bring down your

intended prety easily...but watch out for thier tusks,even when heavily sedated they can be realy dangerous with

those things.And male sure not to skimp on the net.You get what you pay for and a cheap net is a sure way to loose

your quarry.

Failing that,being friendly,striking up a pleasant conversation,asking her to coffee after getting

to know her alittle bit,maybe buying her a drink...the usual stuff seems to work amazingly well.There is no

substsute for "game." And there is no such thing as "game in a bottle." You just have to work on it till you get it

right.

[CptKipling]

On the subject

of being attractive to a person of another country, I dont think that is entirely true, they may have a curiousity

for you, and a kind of xeno friendlines, but by nature people tend to stick to thier own kind for survival reasons,

especially when the need requires it. Example, you will not go very far with a girl from Romania or say Russia if

she knows you are just a tourist and out to have some fun and than leave her (since these countries population have

a degree of impovrishment), and females, unless they are into short flings or one night stands, most are into a

longer term relationship. But if she thinks that you might provide her with some security you could do very well

with her.

I find this the case in every European country I have traveled too, even in my native European

country where I speak the language, most girls, in the beggining of the conversation ask if you will stay and live

here and work here, if you say no, they mostly go ice cold, if you say yes ofcourse, thier interest in you

increases.

If you want quick sex, no pheromones needed to be quite blunt, just go Ibiza, Spain Mykonons or IOS

in Greece in the JULY or August, the simple truth is, the girls go thier for that reason, and most do not want any

strings attached, but its very different if you met the same girl in her native country surrounded by her own

culture, you will get a different response from her.

Texas man, the product is called pherofragrance, do a

search, inventor is Dr Dodd

Those beliefs will limit you.

This will probably sting your ego, but the

reason that you don't do well with Australian women is probably that you are consistantly doing something wrong.

[bronzie]

Those beliefs

will limit you.

This will probably sting your ego, but the reason that you don't do well with Australian

women is probably that you are consistantly doing something wrong.

CptKipling, nowhere in my posts

do I mention that do not do well with Aussie women, in fact I do very well in the dating department and without the

use of pheromones as an aid for the pick up because I undertand thier mentality to begin with. All I state is that

Aussie women are not as approachable compared with women from other Countries I have visited, and the reasons, if

you want to go into culture, history and academia stems from the days of Queen Victoria of England who enshrined

womens rights in both law and family values in Australia, hence the high degree of feminism that Australian women

posses, I am not saying this is wrong but it is a major reason for thier ambivilance and lack of enthusiasm and at

times scorn at being the object of chase.

Example, while in France I could approach a woman on the street and

ask her for a coffee without a problem, she would either smile a yes or a no, in Australia you can do the same but

most women will view this action as desperete or even creepy, and if she wants by law you could be liable for sexual

harrasment. Not so in France.

If you tried some of Ross Jeffries and other dating gurus techniques on

Australian women, they will think your a bloody fool and walk away, what works in the USA does not neccesarily mean

it will work elsewhere for the very simple reason of cultural differences,

Australian women are extrememly

sharp and not as gullible as women from other countries. My philosophy is to apply your knowledge and skill as being

a man to the culture at hand and adapt to it, otherwise you will find cultural blocks in women and in the world in

general.

As for pheromones, they work on a different level as a female biological attractant with no cultural

discrimination, they do not solve or improve any issues a man is faced with women, after he actually gets the date.



fortunatly for me, ive studied women and gender studies and sociology at an Australian university, i say

fortunatly because understanding the reason behind a collective cultural mentality gives you a sense of knowledge on

how to act and what to say to women, most guys even within thier own culture do not know why the women of thier city

do the things they do or think the way they think, hence thier frustration.

[belgareth]

Your underestimating women in

the US. Many do fall for that DYD tripe but just as many or more laugh at it. I listen to my wife and her friends

talking about it, a lot of them are still single and see right through it. Perhaps the women in clubs are looking to

get picked up so go along with it in some cases?

[CptKipling]

He is underestimating women all

over the world.

Bronzie, although I did confuse my last posting, the basic premise is still right.

Even

though women from France may have been more open to you asking them for coffee, that doesn't mean that what I said

here

I think most people will find that women from a different country will be warmer to them. That's

certainly what I've found.

Quote:
I agree that Aussie girls are not the easiest approach, they will shoot you

down in flames given half a chance.


That's just women in general my friend. I bet the reason that you found

American women to be more approachable because they were excited about your nationality.

isn't true.



And just because a woman is friendlier to you it doesn't mean that she is more open to a romantic advance. You

could be having a fantastic interaction but she just isn't interested in that way.

[bronzie]

CptKipling, im not

underestimating or generalizing, im stating what the reality is, I really dont want to provide you a bibliography on

the whole issue of culture, gender and sexual identity, but the books are out there for any man to read.

The

word Xenofriendliness is a Greek word, Xeno meaning foriegn, friend = filos meaning togetherness, and because my

background is Greek, every single summer when im not in my Beautiful Native Australia im at the Greek Islands

talking and mingling, scoring with foriegn women from all over the world, when entering a country, any country,

humans are social creatures and are drawn to thier fellow man as a kind of curiosity, it does not mean they find you

more attractive or anything other than that, unless they can gain something from you, its simple human nature.



The girls that go to the Greek islands mainly go for sex and sun and partying, and not to view the ancient

Greek ruins, as selfish as that may sound, they really dont give a sh*t where your from as long as you can fullfill

thier sexual desire and appitite on thier holiday!

See the same girl in her native homeland, and in my

experience, she is a totally different individual within the boundries of her own culture.

[Australias Hitch]

CptKipling, nowhere in my posts do I mention that do not

do well with Aussie women, in fact I do very well in the dating department and without the use of pheromones as an

aid for the pick up because I undertand thier mentality to begin with. All I state is that Aussie women are not as

approachable compared with women from other Countries I have visited, and the reasons, if you want to go into

culture, history and academia stems from the days of Queen Victoria of England who enshrined womens rights in both

law and family values in Australia, hence the high degree of feminism that Australian women posses, I am not saying

this is wrong but it is a major reason for thier ambivilance and lack of enthusiasm and at times scorn at being the

object of chase.

Example, while in France I could approach a woman on the street and ask her for a coffee

without a problem, she would either smile a yes or a no, in Australia you can do the same but most women will view

this action as desperete or even creepy, and if she wants by law you could be liable for sexual harrasment. Not so

in France.

If you tried some of Ross Jeffries and other dating gurus techniques on Australian women, they will

think your a bloody fool and walk away, what works in the USA does not neccesarily mean it will work elsewhere for

the very simple reason of cultural differences,

Australian women are extrememly sharp and not as gullible as

women from other countries. My philosophy is to apply your knowledge and skill as being a man to the culture at hand

and adapt to it, otherwise you will find cultural blocks in women and in the world in general.

As for

pheromones, they work on a different level as a female biological attractant with no cultural discrimination, they

do not solve or improve any issues a man is faced with women, after he actually gets the date.

fortunatly for

me, ive studied women and gender studies and sociology at an Australian university, i say fortunatly because

understanding the reason behind a collective cultural mentality gives you a sense of knowledge on how to act and

what to say to women, most guys even within thier own culture do not know why the women of thier city do the things

they do or think the way they think, hence thier frustration.

Which university..?

I agree with the

'Australian women are sharp" statement but you seem to think that Australian women aren't approachable..?




I live in Canberra which is full of snobby public servants/resteraunt critic wannabes and I still find that if

you approach them and find some bs angle the high-horse money-grubbing viscard dissipates.


As for the

rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or Melbourne) I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in

the world.

if you want to go into culture, history and academia stems from the days of

Queen Victoria of England who enshrined womens rights in both law and family values in Australia, hence the high

degree of feminism that Australian women posses,

It seriously sounds like you need to leave the confines

of where ever it is you approach women.
Is it a university library?
Believe me that statement is

rediculous and completely denoted
by something called 'evolution'.


Yes!, this universal

invariable has been known to change womens perceptions of dating, sex and the opposite gender with another universal

invariable known as 'time'.


Go to the Gold Coast and you'll understand



I

also understand some people may experience difficulty spending time in front of a computer with a textbook....



CONGRATULATIONS!!

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[Watcher]

being not far from the gold coast

- i will totally agree with u on their looks and the ability to net youreself some very attractive ladies to have

some fun with.

The ross jeffries approach if u use the right ones are nearly foolproof.

[bronzie]

Which

university..?

I agree with the 'Australian women are sharp" statement but you seem to think that Australian

women aren't approachable..?


I live in Canberra which is full of snobby public

servants/resteraunt critic wannabes and I still find that if you approach them and find some bs angle the high-horse

money-grubbing viscard dissipates.


As for the rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or Melbourne)

I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in the world.




It seriously

sounds like you need to leave the confines of where ever it is you approach women.
Is it a university

library?
Believe me that statement is rediculous and completely denoted
by something called

'evolution'.


Yes!, this universal invariable has been known to change womens

perceptions of dating, sex and the opposite gender with another universal invariable known as

'time'.


Go to the Gold Coast and you'll understand



I also

understand some people may experience difficulty spending time in front of a computer with a textbook....



CONGRATULATIONS!!

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src="http://www.encyclopediadramatica.

com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg">

Aussie Hitch, do I have to keep on regurgitating

what I write in posts for the sake of clarity? Nowhere did I say Australian women are not approachable, if that were

the case Australia would have a zero birth rate!!! I merely said Australian women are not as approachable as

compared to Women from other cultures and countries. Ask any man with some testosterone that has traveled through

Europe and he will hole heartedly agree with me.

[/QUOTE]As for the rest of Australia (excluding Sydney or

Melbourne) I find the girls are the most approachable (and best looking) in the world.[/QUOTE]

Are you for

real??!!? SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE is practically Australia!!!!! And where most of the Australian population is

concentrated, if you think that the rest of Australia is somewhat superior in friendliness and approachability and

in looks, your mind is clouded and have spent way too much time in dead beat Canberra. You say Australian girls

other than the ones that live in the two main populated cities are the best looking in the world. I find this a

paradox and contradictory since most of the girls from country Australia have migrated into the big cities anyway,

namely to Syd and Melb. Anyhow, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, their will always be guys that have a fetish

and prefer overly obese women, so I respect you on that note in what you believe is beautiful..

No, I dont

approach Australian women in a library nor do I labour over text books to seek out some wisdom in the female

mentality, if you read all my previous posts you will realise this and I gained it through first hand

experience.

And yeah I have been to the gold coast, Obviously you have not been to the Island of IOS or

Santorini in Greece in July or August to see the thousands of Australian women with thier backpacks that flood those

Islands basically giving thier bodies for the night to any man that will buy them a beer. It makes schoolies week on

the gold coast and other times when the girls are "supposed" to be at thier most promiscious look like a

Nunnery.

I graduated from Melbourne University, I hear there are some good universities in Canberra, maybe

you should try out the library scene with pheromones applied! and report back to the forum.

[bronzie]

Watcher, Ross Jeffries is a bit

of a tosser, his overall plan on trying to map the female mentality is ok, but try some of his techniques on

Australian women and you will most likely get a slap in the face, especially, the palmistry technique, you will sure

get her Palm alright! most likely across your face! and the grapho deck card technique, she either has to be a total

air head bimbo to go with that or a psycologist to observe your desperate attempts at picking up a woman. either

case you wont get very far, at least with Australian women. European women are much to sharp to fall that stuff

also.

[surfs_up]

He's not a pickup coach though... the grapvine has some buzz on it that he's the new bossman of NLP

in town... we've communicated back and forth, I will say this, he's damned interesting as a person and pretty

non-typical... If I get the chance I will study with him... that just hasn't presented itself yet so I can't say

what his trainings are like... something about moving into a space of supercompetence. Anyway, I hope he's all

he's cracked up to be. Hate wasting time with mediocre

"genuises":

http://www.jsriggio.com/Programs/Exq..._Intuition.asp

[bronzie]

surfs up, these new age

lifestyle gurus are a dim a dozen and all say they are unique and one of a kind, for me they mostly seem the same

and emulate each other in one way or another, here is another guy that is supposed to be revolutionary, just like

the rest!

fact is these "gurus" follow an ancient formula of making the person first feel insecure then

giving the person through thier programs that you have to "pay for" a sense and possibility to make your life

happier! most of the things they have to say are self explanatory and natural law anyway.

dont rely on any

one person for the holy grail,

all, Anthony Robbins wannabees, in the end thier just great sales men that

make lots of money on peoples insecurities!

http://www.deidacentral.com/

[luxveritas]

a friend of mine showed me

some stuff by david deangelo. His stuff is really logical and well thought out. You could also take every place he

says "women" and replace it with "people" and it still makes sense. It is a good way to think about all

interpersonal relationships not just with those of the opposite sex.

[bronzie]

ive heard david deangelos

programs, again he seems to be rather like ross jeffries, he definantly is a good public speaker

if you want

to read something very intense yet unfortuantly very real to this world, i say unfortunatly, because greens work is

based on the charles darwin theory that the strongest survives, be it out of wit, read the art of seduction by

Robert Greene, he makes de angelo and the rest look like amateurs

by the way, for all the Aussies here,

author Robert Greene is Australian. read his bio, and seems he went to the most morally "dog eat dog" degenerative

place on earth to write his books, L.A, and i can honestly say he did a good job at depicting the world from that

angle.

[surfs_up]

There is good considerable variation, some have real things to teach, some blow smoke and don't help or hurt much,

some are out to f*ck with your mind and you money.

Of all the schools of thought, the straight up NLP crew

has been about the most useful... although some can be about as exiting as watching paint dry...

I even

watched the famous Richard Bandler try his hand as a seduction coach.... it was a painful fiasco... but I have seen

Ricard do positively breathtaking work in other contexts...

The most useful skills I picked up were called

"calibration", how to carefully distinguish subtle degrees of emotional shift and adjust my emotional (and

behavioral) movements accordingly. It was like I had increased my awareness magnification by 10x and could see many

fine details of increasing or decreasing interest. My lack of success with women before that was basically that I

wasn't nearly as observant as I assumed I was... most people aren't.

A combination of acting school and NLP

together helped me flesh out my ideas about "relational space", sort of an in-rapport light trance where you deeply

hear the other person...

It turned out that the quality of listening, women get this better than men for

cultural reasons, it's like a whole body feeling of what the other person is saying (or not saying too) was the key

to the kingdom.

Women pick up super fast when you are pretending to hear them and they tune you

out.

If you don't have it wired into your perception from early childhood you need to find a good teacher

who can help with full sensory perception skills, some, not all, of the NLP instructors can help.

Like I

wrote in another post, sensing the "internal clock speed" of whoever you are talking to is critical, that's a

calibration skill, and then learning to slow your internal clock down just a notch below theirs seem to immediately

drop them into a nice communication trance. Bandler has some material that might help you with that.

These

are skills. They sound straightforward enough in theory, think of it working on your forehand when you haven't

played tennis... it takes time and an investment of energy to gracefully get the ball over the net every time and

put it where you want it in the opposite court.

Overt or external strategy based seduction ploys will NOT

work unless you have mastered the inner game skills first.

[Pongo]

Sorry for the late reply on pickin

up chickas ~ always lift with your legs.

[Australias Hitch]

Aussie Hitch, do I have to keep on regurgitating what I write in posts for the sake of

clarity? .

If it works?

Nowhere did I say Australian women are not

approachable, if that were the case Australia would have a zero birth rate!!! I merely said Australian women are not

as approachable as compared to Women from other cultures and countries. Ask any man with some testosterone that has

traveled through Europe and he will hole heartedly agree with me.

No, no they wouldn’t, My Male friends

(who have testosterone) and I have travelled globally/locally and the best chicks to approach imo are in Australia

(and not in Sydney or Melbourne).
Imho
#1 Australia (spec. Newcastle NSW, Scarborough WA, North

Sydney NSW, Glenelg SA, Cairns/palm cove Nth Qld)

#2 Rio (Brazil)
#3 Amsterdam/ Switzerland
#4

Las Vegas

Are you for real??!!? SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE is practically Australia!!!!! And

where most of the Australian population is concentrated, .

No not even close, NSW and Victoria combined

roughly make up half of Australia’s population (roughly 10 mil)
not Sydney and Melbourne.

if you think that the rest of Australia is somewhat superior in friendliness and approachability

and in looks, your mind is clouded and have spent way too much time in dead beat Canberra. You say Australian girls

other than the ones that live in the two main populated cities are the best looking in the world. .

Equally as good looking, easier to approach, friendlier, more positive and hey whats your next quote say?

beauty is in the eye of the beholder, .

So all those traits previously

mentioned and their perception thereof is subjective to who we are as people individually.. right?, which means

people can have differing views on which Women are easier to approach.

their will always be guys

that have a fetish and prefer overly obese women
, so I respect you on that note in what you believe is beautiful..

.

Hmmmmm, Sigmund Freud calls that projection
Projection, which Anna Freud also called

displacement outward, is almost the complete opposite of turning against the self. It involves the tendency to see

your own unacceptable desires in other people. In other words, the desires are still there, but they're not your

desires anymore. I confess that whenever I hear someone going on and on about how aggressive everybody is, or how

perverted they all are, I tend to wonder if this person doesn't have an aggressive or sexual streak in themselves

that they'd rather not acknowledge

No, I dont approach Australian women in a library nor do I

labour over text books to seek out some wisdom in the female mentality, .

Couldv’e fooled me.

if you read all my previous posts you will realise this and I gained it through first hand

experience.
And yeah I have been to the gold coast, Obviously you have not been to the Island of IOS or Santorini

in Greece in July or August to see the thousands of Australian women with thier backpacks that flood those Islands

basically giving thier bodies for the night to any man that will buy them a beer. It makes schoolies week on the

gold coast and other times when the girls are "supposed" to be at thier most promiscious look like a Nunnery.

.

Cool!, you like documentaries aswell ?
Pssssssssst Sigmunt Freud has more theories aswell?
(See

Denial, and Rationalisation)



http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.

html
He calls them Ego defence mechanisms

[surfs_up]

You have to learn to see "minimal behavior" that most youthful gentlemen are too hormone intoxicated

and not well attuned to make good use of....

It is like the social world has a thick fog cast over it that

makes ordinary people blind to those things that are not screamingly obvious.... now, Mother Nature, she's a

trickster by design... because the female has to balance signaling her interest without broadcasting it on the p.a.

system...

Otherwise she's a S.L.U.T. or a lush or plain jane insane and well behaved normals will stay a

safe distance away, like any self resecting cobra knows not to dance with a mongoose.

There IS this sweet

little dance, like how bees come home to the hive and do their thing to tell the other bees where the honey is...

well, sure, there is this delicate subliminal thing that you only gradually become aware of when the girly girls are

sending out some vibrations for you to pick up on, they definitely signal interest, even if it is the most fleeting

way...

And the guy, outside of his conscious awareness, will signal back if he's interested in her being

interested... so a good player can walk into a room a read all the little signals, a major part of his success is

that he isn't wasting his time with the wrong signals...

That guy has got the equivalent of infrared vision

that can see through the fog and sense the underlying heat energy... for him pheromones are useful because they

trigger "amplification"..., the signals become more distinct, for you techs out there, the -mones increase the

signal to noise ratio, or v.v., they reduce the confounding noise somewheres between 6 dB. and 12 dB.... once

you've gone beyond about 12 dB. of selective amplification, behavior becomes too erratic and wacky, more like you

could end up in therapist mode instead of party mode...

[Rbt]

And now to get back to the original

question that started this thread...

In terms of products, there really isn't any way other than giving them a

try. Too many variables. An off the shelf may do just fine for you, especially if the rest of your "game" is going

great. (And I know I'd ratehr just be able to "grab and go" rather than spend time with a dab of this, a squirt of

that, a dribble of this, etc...)

A usual suggestion is to order up the "free samples" that are often offered at

Love-Scent site. They will give you an idea of some of the "premixed" products and an idea of the scents, although

there really isn't enough product to really do a full test, at least you can get a handle (and who knows, maybe one

will hit the big time right off...).

Personally I think one of the best first choices is something like Scent Of

Eros. It's a good "social" product that will break the ice and get you close enough for you to turn on your natural

magic, which may be all that you need. Chikara and Alter Ego are also good, decent, starter products IMO.

-none

can be tricky, and maybe even unnecessary, so I'd be hesitant to use Primal Instinct, and a bit cautious even with

NPA or The Edge, but they may be nice to have available to try out. Most "all in one" products except SOE and WAGG

already have -none in them. Pheromax is another one I kinda like, but it's expensive, and the A1 ingredient can

affect some men in negative ways. I think it's best for use once you are concentrating on specific individuals as

A1 seems to be a "mood modifier" especially with women at certain "negative" times of the month.


As for

"scented" vs "unscented" you may want to opt for the "unscented" versions if you already have some preferred cover

scents. I personally like Chikara scented, but others (like gegogi) don't. And actually I find the Chikara scent

lasts quite a while. Then again, I've also noticed that although I can still smell some scents, others around me

don't seem to notice at all. Matter of personal preference. Again the sample packs will give you some clues.