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    Default Putting NPA into a SOE bottle ???

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    seems the SOE and NPA combo is one of the best/most popular ...... but I don't remeber anybody posting about mixing

    the two ..... ??

    I have a new bottle of SOE with the rolltop which comes off quite easily ..... would it be a

    good/bad idea to pour some NPA into the same bottle ??

    Do the two mix well ?? How much NPA should be put in

    to get the correct proportions ??

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    Check the "DD#1" in the

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    Note that the

    inventor "DonaldDuck" now posts as "Watcher".
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    KeepItReal,

    I wouldn't do it.

    Not with any appreciable quantity of mix anyway.

    I'm assuming that you're talking about the men's fragranced

    version of SOE.
    SOE has a number of musky components in its fragrance, and over time these interact as fixatives

    with the stinkiest aspects of NPA until the whole mix smells like a lightly citrus scented "A-None-a-polooza".



    Those are two products that I would only mix on an "immediate needs" basis.

    Similar thing happens if you add

    just a little bit of EW to men's scented SOE.

    Oscar

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    lol i was planning to

    empty my old cologne bottles so i can mixx soe and npa up and spray it on me....but iono

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    Get an atomizer. You might get

    a bad mix and waste the whole NPA and SOE bottles.

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    Oh, I have just mixed in a small

    atomizer, one drop of NPA and a couple of drops with SOE as well as other things. Will it go bad then Oscar?



    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunk
    Oh, I have just mixed

    in a small atomizer, one drop of NPA and a couple of drops with SOE as well as other things. Will it go bad then

    Oscar?

    Thanks
    gfunk,

    It's not so much that the mix will "go bad", as it would be more

    appropriate to say that it would just "go stinky".

    Real animal musks have been used for centuries in fragrances

    both for their own scents, and for their ability (as fixatives) to enhance and amplify other scent notes within the

    composition.

    There are now MANY synthetic musks included in fragrances, and they serve essentially the same

    purpose. (Different synthetic musks have "preferences" as to which notes they'll enhance most while leaving other

    notes essentialy unchanged.)
    When composing a fragrance with musk components, whether real or synthetic, the

    composer needs to allow the freshly mixed musk and other scent notes to sit and steep for a time until the synergy

    that occurs between the musk(s) and other notes has reached an equilibrium, a point at which the fragrance has

    become stable.

    JVKohl mentioned in

    this post that scented

    men's SOE contains something like 87 different musk components.
    Think of those musk components as though they

    were hungry little molecules, waiting to pounce on any new scent that is introduced to the mix. Little amplifiers

    waiting to be plugged in.
    If the newly introduced scent note happens to be a stinky one, like the A-None in NPA,

    they don't really care. They'll enhance and amplify the stinkiest of notes, such as NPA's A-None, as happily as

    they would something sweet and pleasant like Rose or Gardenia.

    My experience was that after mixing at 5:1 (SOE

    to NPA) the mix smelled pretty good right away. A day later the NPA scent was more pronounced. A few days further on

    even MORE pronounced. After two weeks the mix smelled as though I had mixed SOE and NPA in equal proportions, and

    whatever little was left of the original scent of the SOE fell sorrowfully short of being able to mask the A-None

    scent of the NPA which seemed to have come to dominate the entire composition.

    Without starting off too far in

    another direction, one might even say that A-None itself, as a "synthetic human musk" might in itself be acting as a

    fixative on the other synthetic musk components in the mix.
    Enough already!
    Short answer: When mixing SOE and NPA

    - mix small, use soon.

    btw: The "7:3" ratio for SOE/NPA is even more ridiculous than most of the other 7:3

    mixes. In any 7:3 mix where the "3" is NPA, the "7" had BETTER be an undiluted Essential Oil, or you're NOT going

    to adequately cover the scent of NPA. Think about it. 7:3 is just a hair more than 2:1.
    The "legendary" 7:3 NPA

    mixes were likely concocted by someone who was NOT able to consciously detect the smell of A-None, and are probably

    responsible for as much wasting of pheromones (AND scoring opportunities!) as all the other ways of OD'ing on

    pheromones.

    Oscar

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    Thanks Oscar for an outstanding

    answer to my question!

    I'm surprized I haven't heard more of users mention problems about

    this before. The NPA/SOE must have been the most common combo to mix.

    My mix was composed with these

    products:

    1 spray Chikara
    1 drop SOE
    1 drop A1
    3 spray cologne

    The very small amount of -none in Chikara

    does seem to not harm at all, because my targets tend to steer their noses directly to my neck and tend to let it

    rest there just as when I've applied everything "fresh from the bottles". My mix has been standing for

    months.

    In fact I think I'll try not to mix the NPA in my atomizer mix instead just to avoid any potent issues

    with this. Apply NPA to skin and spraying my mix on top of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar
    gfunk,

    It's not

    so much that the mix will "go bad", as it would be more appropriate to say that it would just "go stinky".



    Real animal musks have been used for centuries in fragrances both for their own scents, and for their ability

    (as fixatives) to enhance and amplify other scent notes within the composition.

    There are now MANY synthetic

    musks included in fragrances, and they serve essentially the same purpose. (Different synthetic musks have

    "preferences" as to which notes they'll enhance most while leaving other notes essentialy unchanged.)
    When

    composing a fragrance with musk components, whether real or synthetic, the composer needs to allow the freshly mixed

    musk and other scent notes to sit and steep for a time until the synergy that occurs between the musk(s) and other

    notes has reached an equilibrium, a point at which the fragrance has become stable.

    JVKohl mentioned in

    this post that scented

    men's SOE contains something like 87 different musk components.
    Think of those musk components as though they

    were hungry little molecules, waiting to pounce on any new scent that is introduced to the mix. Little amplifiers

    waiting to be plugged in.
    If the newly introduced scent note happens to be a stinky one, like the A-None in NPA,

    they don't really care. They'll enhance and amplify the stinkiest of notes, such as NPA's A-None, as happily as

    they would something sweet and pleasant like Rose or Gardenia.

    My experience was that after mixing at 5:1

    (SOE to NPA) the mix smelled pretty good right away. A day later the NPA scent was more pronounced. A few days

    further on even MORE pronounced. After two weeks the mix smelled as though I had mixed SOE and NPA in equal

    proportions, and whatever little was left of the original scent of the SOE fell sorrowfully short of being able to

    mask the A-None scent of the NPA which seemed to have come to dominate the entire composition.

    Without

    starting off too far in another direction, one might even say that A-None itself, as a "synthetic human musk" might

    in itself be acting as a fixative on the other synthetic musk components in the mix.
    Enough already!
    Short

    answer: When mixing SOE and NPA - mix small, use soon.

    btw: The "7:3" ratio for SOE/NPA is even more

    ridiculous than most of the other 7:3 mixes. In any 7:3 mix where the "3" is NPA, the "7" had BETTER be an undiluted

    Essential Oil, or you're NOT going to adequately cover the scent of NPA. Think about it. 7:3 is just a hair more

    than 2:1.
    The "legendary" 7:3 NPA mixes were likely concocted by someone who was NOT able to consciously detect

    the smell of A-None, and are probably responsible for as much wasting of pheromones (AND scoring opportunities!) as

    all the other ways of OD'ing on pheromones.

    Oscar
    Oscar,

    This must be what

    happened to edge arouser, huh?
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    wat if i am using a unscented

    version of soe? will nap + unscented soe work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evobenny
    wat if i am

    using a unscented version of soe? will nap + unscented soe work?
    Of course - the pheromone content in it is

    exactly the same. However, it is highly recommended to cover it with a decent cologne.

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    any idea of a decent cologne? i

    currrently have polo raugh sports and davidoff echo
    but when i mixed davidoff echo i seem to see particals whirling

    ard in the mixture

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    Quote Originally Posted by evobenny
    any idea of a

    decent cologne?
    The following threads might probably help

    you:
    http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5934
    http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=13817

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    Try Gucci Envy, ladies seem to like

    it and it goes well with Chikara and AE.

    DCW

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    Younger women drool when I wear

    Burberry Weekend, SOE unscented and NPA.

    Getting back to the original post, I use NPA and SOE all the time.

    However I never premix them in a bottle but, instead, apply separately. NPA mixes well with colognes but SOE has oil

    in it and doesn't mix as well as alcohol based carriers. I'm thinking of using CS 'nol and rone so I can better

    blend them with cologne in an atomizer.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    gorgi erm mind if i ask you the

    steps of applying the soe and npa + ur perfume?

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    I premix Weekend and NPA in a 3:1

    or 4:4 ratio in an atomizer. I zap a few sprays on my clothing and hair and chase it with a couple 6 inches "rolls"

    of SOE unscented.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    roger bro thanks for hte tip

    will be trying it tomorro :P

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