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    Hit stories to illustrate

    effective use of mones / combos = good / useful

    Boasts = ok, but a bit sad

    Fairytales = a personality

    disorder

    I see all three on this forum.
    I wouldn't be so judgmental if I were you. You never

    know for sure and not every culture, or even region of the North America, has the same values and social customs.

    The world is a wide 'n wolly place and sh!t happens. Nevertheless, I think of Fairytale spinners as creative

    individuals honing their writing skills. We need more people with imagination. On the other hand, people with

    personality disorders cause serious damage to themselves and those around them. Spinning a tall tale on a forum

    doesn't qualify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegogi
    I think of Fairytale

    spinners as creative individuals honing their writing skills.
    Whereas I just think of them as being sad

    losers with personality disorders. We're all entitled to our opinions, I suppose.

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    Fairytales have persisted for

    centuries because the stories model humanity from a perspective born of dreams and fantasy. They speak of our hopes

    and future. Furthermore, dreams and fantasies are one of the few things that separate man from both machine and wild

    beasts. All music, art, literature and great ideas find their genesis in dreams and fantasies. And a man without

    dreams and fantasies is utterly without hope. He has no life. So a little fairytale is a good thing.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    When someone tells a lie, nothing

    good comes out of it. A lie is false and unethical. It is meant to decieve people and ultimately not good for

    business here. And yes there have been boatloads of falsehoods told here over the years. I've seen people admit to

    that on other forums. As for the originator of this thread, he is already at a competeing pheromone site buying

    their products. I doubt he had any loyalty here.

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    >>> Hey I buy stuff here too, what

    do you mean by loyalty? Ill still order items from LS and a couple of other places as well. Whats the harm in that?

    I drive a Dakota R/T but I would like a new Mustang too - and that last generation of Honda Prelude was unreal,

    bring the Lude back! Brand loyalty and the like seems a bit goofy but thats just me I guess.
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    Sheesh, this ain't

    Pentecostals vs Evangelicals, Mac vs PC, Nikon vs Canon, life vs death for crying out loud. Brand or forum loyalty?

    Quack like a duck I say! I like LS but it ain't my religion or my mama. Moreover, it is not a cause, principle, or

    activity that should be pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. All of us post at other sites and shop where we

    please.

    When someone tells a lie, nothing good comes out of it.
    I'm sorry, like most

    absolutes, that is simply not true all the time. In this case, much of the time. Most people tell lies to protect

    the hearer's feelings. In the same way, cruel and manipulative individuals use truth to hurt and destroy innocents.

    Sometimes the recipient isn't old enough or mentally stable enough to handle the truth. Thus, a conscientious and

    moral person places human welfare and well being above truth at every level of human endeavor. An idealistic

    fool--me in my 20s--strictly adheres to tenets without thinking or questioning the full range of consequences. That

    manner of thinking got my arse in a sling many a time.
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    Thats hilarious about the brand

    loyalty thing, it brought back a memory of days past when in the streets wearing Nike shoes with Adidas socks would

    get you called a "perpetrator" it was funny then and it's funny now
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    I once worn a Canon hat at a

    Nikon workshop and was given the cold treatment.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    I was once called out for

    putting Pepsi in a Coca Cola glass.

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    Pongo my apology. I was wrong to

    call you out like that. And have no right to question your loyalty. However. I think it was a bit silly to start a

    thread on how believable your stories are. And then when someone doesn't buy it, you become all hypersensitive

    about it. What the hell do you care if anyone believes you or not. The bottom line is if it's true, than more power

    to you. BTW, for the most part I find your stories quite amusing, and always read your posts.


    Gegogi, you

    know damn well I'm not taliking about absolutes. A white lie probably will not be harmful, but for the most part,

    deception is wrong and will cause more problems than it solves. And posting falsehoods here, does no one any good

    service.

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    Are you sure? You certainly wrote

    as if you were quoting an absolute of the universe. A lie is a lie regardless of the underlying intention. White

    lie, gray lie, black lie--they're still lies regardless of how you candy coat them. I think it's fine to lie when

    there is a good reason. And most folks have good reason, saving face, sparing hurt feelings, preventing bloodshed,

    etc. It is still a lie. I prefer to withhold information rather than lie as it's easier to keep things straight in

    my mind. Lying is too complex and requires you to remember your own BS. But that's just me. Nevertheless your tenet

    sounds terribly absolute and yet your minuscule backpedaling smacks of doublespeak. LS is not a shrine nor a pillar

    of morality. It is forum for the free exchange of ideas, fantasies and experiences. Actually it's mostly an advice

    column for lost love, lust and grand shenanigans. And ain't it fun!
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    Quote Originally Posted by toby
    Boasts = ok, but a

    bit sad
    I don’t see what’s so sad about a little boasting. (But then again, Mohammed Ali was

    one of my idols growing up.)
    And pheromones aren’t something you can boast about with just anybody.

    (Unless you want everybody to know that you wear them.) So I think this forum provides a service to people that want

    to get something off their chests as well as those that want to pick up some tips.
    Give truth a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegogi
    Are you sure? You

    certainly wrote as if you were quoting an absolute of the universe. A lie is a lie regardless of the underlying

    intention. White lie, gray lie, black lie--they're still lies regardless of how you candy coat them. I think it's

    fine to lie when there is a good reason. And most folks have good reason, saving face, sparing hurt feelings,

    preventing bloodshed, etc. It is still a lie. I prefer to withhold information rather than lie as it's easier to

    keep things straight in my mind. Lying is too complex and requires you to remember your own BS. But that's just me.

    Nevertheless your tenet sounds terribly absolute and yet your minuscule backpedaling smacks of doublespeak. LS is

    not a shrine nor a pillar of morality. It is forum for the free exchange of ideas, fantasies and experiences.

    Actually it's mostly an advice column for lost love, lust and grand shenanigans. And ain't it fun!






    Backpedel my butt. Your clouding the issue. The intent of the dishonesty is the merit of my

    point. The ethics of types of lies can be debated till the end of time. I really don't give a shit about that

    debate in these parts. My bottom line is simply this. People who lie about hit stories here, do NOBODY any good.

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    Most of the time I agree with

    you Gegogi. But on this one I am in the opposite camp. Tounge is right here. Lying about hits doesn't do anybody

    any good and probably is harmful. In my eyes its wrong. He is also right that it was plain silly to ask people if

    they believed him then get upset when people didn't. If he didn't want the answer he shouldn't have asked the

    question in the first place.

    Tounge wasn't backpedaling, he was clarifying. He stands on what he believes. No

    offense to anybody but I'd trust him a site further than a lot of others because of how straight he is. Maybe there

    are good reasons for being untruthful but I haven't found them yet. I don't include participating in chidren's

    fantasies as a truthfulness issue, its something else entirely. Other than that, silence is usually the best option

    when forethought has failed you and find yourself cornered. Outright lying has never shown itself to be the best

    course.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Belgareth, I wasn't specifically

    discussing lying about hits. Nevertheless--returning to the root of this thread--there are always two sides to a hit

    story. I suspect many hit stories are pure BS but not necessarily an intentional lie. A young man sincerely believes

    he received a hit from a woman because she looked his way and tugged at her hair. However, she didn't notice him

    but smiled when she thought of something that happened earlier that day. So he provided misinformation. Not

    unethnical but just as damaging as a lie in the right context.

    I was foremostly addressing the general

    practice of lying and the underlying reasons. Most of the communication we receive in life--media, government,

    textbooks, interpersonal, etc.--is riddled with falsehoods. Sure much of it isn't intentional but mindless

    perpetuation of popular belief or twisting to fit one's world view. To expect and believe in the perfection of

    truth in communication is certainly idealistic but not a reality.

    To tell the honest truth!--I agree with

    both Tounge and Belgareth when it comes to lying. Too bad few others do! I was once an idealist and that residue is

    still buried somewhere in my gray matter. Life is so simple when you only view it in black and white. But reality is

    full of gray. And you can't swim against a tide of lies in a world of advertising, political spin and ethnocentric

    history books (you may recall what textbooks say about Columbus, American Indians, Bush's WMD, etc.). You don't

    have to join in but it's naive to expect humanity to follow suit. You'll certainly be frustrated a lot. And yes

    I'd lie to spare someone's feelings or avoid bloodshed if I really had to. I've learned to value the well-being

    of my fellow man over principles.

    And, yes, I do enjoy a little debate and discussion. That's what

    discussion forums are for. Playing and teaching music all day doesn't exercise the brain much. So, thanks guys. The

    more people that disagree with me, the more fun. But no name calling or cursing please. State your case and be cool.

    But like life in general, I try not to take myself or my debators too seriously. After all, we're havining a little

    fun and diversion.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    People who lie about

    hit stories here, do NOBODY any good.
    amen brotha

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    If a hit story, or anything

    else, is a mistake or mistaken belief that wouldn't count as a lie as there is no intent to decieve. What I, and I

    think tounge is talking about is the intentional making up of hit stories or any other form of fabrication. A case

    in point was the lady who told me a couple weeks ago that dogs bolt their food because their taste buds are in their

    stomaches. While laughable, she honestly believed it; as far as she was concerned it was the truth.

    In general,

    I agree with you. We are lied to constantly. That's why I question everything I hear from the government and

    business. When something is said I take it as something said subject to verification. Between my education and what

    I can find through other sources I can usuallly learn enough to either believe or disbelieve it. Since I can't do

    that with what hit stories on the forum I don't believe or disbelieve any of them. Just something I've heard.



    When it comes to the rest, when is it appropriate to lie to somebody? I participated in the Santa Claus and Easter

    Bunny fantasies with my kids knowing fully well it wasn't true. I'm at the same time capable of violence if the

    situation warrents it. There are times when principle has to stand and if that means I have to defend myself or

    somebody else, I guess that means I may have to use violence. I try very hard and have been mostly successful in

    avoiding those situations. That's where forethought comes in.

    Few things more stimulating than a friendly

    debate with an intelligent person. No offense intended or taken.
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    on the lighter side - anyone

    who is married or has a significant other knows that from time to time a "little white lie" is absolutely

    essential.

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    The only advantage that I can see

    to lying on this forum is to try to maintain the exclusivity of mones.

    i.e.

    When I first came across this

    site I was impressed by the credibility of the first threads that I read. I bought into the idea that nones could

    give me an edge, in the same way that a great scent, a good haircut or a well-chosen tie will.

    If my first

    experience of the forum had been the glory stories then - rightly or wrongly - I would have formed an impression of

    mone users as a bunch of IT nerds and teenage losers, sharing fantasies to make up for their lack of girlfriends.



    On balance, as a way to keep mones out of the mainstream, the lies are probably a good thing.

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    Appreciate the kind words

    Belgareth. I think you are a straight shooter here also, but much more diplomatic than I. You are the type of guy I

    would want next to me in the foxhole, during a fierce battle. And I'm talking a real shooting war, not internet

    debate.

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    at any rate people should

    not go about reporting false claims on this forum,think about it,there are newbies as well as season users here who

    have spent there hard earn dollars for these products in hopes of seeing real results out in the field,this is

    serious business fellows,no one is spenting their money for a simple laught here.they want to know does this stuff

    work and what may be working best of the products.listen we do ourselves and others a great injustice if we are

    lying about results from these products.if you have got to lie about your hits then keep in mind that you are not

    helping your fellow brother here on love scent.again if we are gonna spend serious money then lets be serious about

    what we are getting for our money,hences the hits.

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    Err duh, we'd all like this to

    be a perfect little world away from all the lies and deceptions of the world today. But that ain't how the

    proverbial cookie crumbles. You gotta do your own homework and make your own choices. Besides what works for Bel,

    Gogu or Tounge San ain't likely to work for you. Otherwise we could all wear Old Spice and PI and fall ass first

    into booku poon-tang.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    sure we are not in a

    perfect world,but for those of us who are here,should be accountable to themselves at the very least,or if they

    decide that they are bent on making a false claim,then just make a post entitled "The Hit Lie list" so at least

    newbies on here will at least know this post is only for humor.and gegoal as respect to one another please leave out

    the "Err duh" it insults one's intelligent's,if something seems the obvious to you then hold the offending opening

    statment and just proceed with your explanation of why you may differ with the post that was made.

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    Sorry if I oftened you, you I was

    just being honest. If you had bothered to read the many posts above you would have realized we traveled that road

    many times over and over and over... Hence the "err duh" was well earned and aptly delivered! Furthermore, my post

    is in agreement with you as are all other posters. We should strive to be honest. Nevertheless, I'm a pessimist and

    believe there's a better chance of hell freezing over than making the world--including forum posters--accountable

    for the truth and nothing but the truth. Although I don't judge others for telling "white lies" I prefer to be

    brutally honest--except with small children and the infirm--I so I feel compelled to bring idealists back to

    reality. Although I think it's time to let this thread slide and quit reining in you utopian visionaries.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    its the term "err duh" that

    small children and children in general use amongs each other,not sensible adults,would you talk to your wife or

    significant other,boss,mother or father with the err duh response to a comment they made in good faith.probaly not,

    simply out of respect for them,all i'm asking is the same in return,but then again i must bear in mind that some

    people are just not a people's person therefore they do not know how to talk to other people.i use to have a boss

    who was that way,who pretty much said things to people in a smart ailed way all the time and as you can guess those

    type of people were not a favorite at the office at all,because people in general believe that there is a way you

    talk to someone,and certain with an attitude like that is not one!everything was fine about your post except the err

    duh thing,as a grown man that really rubbed me the wrong way."just because you have a right to say something

    doesn't make it a right thing to say"
    god bless you gegog you are still my brother and have a ton of knowledge

    in relation to pheromones as i can see,i just wanted to express my feelings toward your responds to my inital

    post.yet when its all said and done,i guess you must be you and i be me,good luck in the field my

    brother.


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    Writing and talking are two

    entirely different modes of expressive communication. When you speak, you have the benefit of vocal inflection,

    volume, facial expressions and body language to underline your words. I can essentially tell someone to fuck off

    with a single glance. When one writes, the words must be precise on order to communicate your meaning.

    I use

    "duh" frequently as a polite reaction to someone's discovery of the obvious. Most folks laugh and take no offense.

    I rarely use in prose. I probably need to work on my imagery technique so "duh" is better supported.

    I once

    took a friend newly arrived from the mainland swimming at Ala Moana. He swallowed a mouthfull of water and exclaimed

    "it's salty. I said "err duh" and he cracked up. I could simply say "gee you're dumb for never noticing that

    before" but that's more truth than he needed.

    Incidentally, the older I get more I refuse to grow up. I

    figure I've reverted to my late teens. Cool brah.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    oh great, gegogi is going threw

    midlife crisis, just kidding brah
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    No sh!t it's weird to have the

    engery of a middle aged man and the emotions and horns of a teenager. I even get erotic dreams and that puppy love

    crap all over again. Started thinking about making babies even though I never wanted any before. Teens usually

    don't bother me but college age women pick it on their radar and take me for a ride everytime. I guess they figure

    I'm an easy dinner and roll in the hay. Last year one begged me to give her a $2500 guitar for special benefits and

    I actually considered it...
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    gegogi, make sure you tell her

    strings are extra, lol
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    That's the problem. I gave her a

    free set of strings and even installed them for her. After that we drove to a park and made out in my car (her

    idea), something I hadn't done since high school. I guess she made a connection and was going for the gold.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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