it makes us not really want
people to figure them out becuase it will take our edge away
Its a scary thought.....I brought this up because over the holidays I was shopping
for colognes.This lady was with her friend talking about how this perfume contained phermones.I wondered if she was
aware how many others are already on to us mone users.The lady was 50ish and was surprised she knew about them.I say
in 5 years "pheromones" will be just another household name.Ladies will figure out "he must be wearing mones thats
why I feel and think sexual thoughts while around him"
it makes us not really want
people to figure them out becuase it will take our edge away
Indeed - I really hope it will
not happen THAT soon.
My bet would be, say, 10 years.
Oh - I wish it would never happen, though.
The topic has been discussed
before. It's not so easy to find the right mix for oneself. It is likely to be a while I think before commercial
products are able to get the same results enthusiasts can today.
Also, mones obviously act on deeper layers
of the brain than the neocortex, so even if you know one reason you are attracted to somebody is the perfume they
wear (mone-laden or otherwise) you might not be able to override that feeling of attraction so easily.
Studies that support the effect of
pheromones have been popping up in the media more frequently recently...its becoming more of a popuar topic to
cover. It's becomning more mainstream knowledge, though synthetic pheromones are usually met with quite a bit of
skepticism (lucky us).
Its only a matter of time before a company decides to seize the profitability in
aggressively mass marketing pheromones though, even if the products don't necessarily work as well as the ones we
use here. I mean look at how quickly TAG and Axe have blown by marketing cheap fragrances as aphrodisiacs. Realm
has been out on the market for a while now, but it wasn't marketed nearly as aggressively as TAG and Axe were.
Paris Hilton's fragrance has pheromones in it, however it wasn't the primary focus of their marketing strategy -
paris hilton was.
The success of Tag and Axes have shown us, however, that simply saying a product will help you
attract women, will at least warrant giving it a try. If a company were to seriously mass market a pheromone
product, use pheromones as part of its marketable benefits, and stress the aphrodisiac qualities of pheromones in
their marketing, then people will jump on it like hot cakes, even if the products don't necessarily work. Like
pheroquirk said, there's way too much behind pheromone use to mass produce a pheromone product that'll be
successful for everyone. That isn't to say that companies have never mass-produced a second rate product and
succeeded though.
So yeah I think pheromones will eventually become mainstream knowledge, though there will
always be a spot for us hardcore, "underground" pheromone users who better understand the delicate nature of
pheromone use...we'll all laugh at gullable the masses are, while we keep seeing the real hits come our way.
I can't find them off-hand, but
I've read a few posts in this forum where a female target was said to openly wonder if the poster was using
pheromones.
When a reality dating show with a name like "Mister Mones" hits the airwaves, even more gals
will wonder.
Also, pheromones co-ordinate
social activity in all sorts of nuanced and still-to-be explored ways. They aren't just about sex, and as we know
even with the sexual mones, raw attraction is only part of it.
I can see hit-oriented heavy products like TE
taking off much more quickly than surfs_up' subtle beta-nol/dienol mixes. So long after mones are mainstream, the
enthusiasts will continue to have an edge (pun unintentional). I also think attending carefully to how pheromone
use modulates your own and others' behaviour can help one develop a better understanding of humans that can lead to
improved social competence.
There is an interesting framework for understanding how products diffuse into the
mainstream, in case anyone is interested. "Crossing the Chasm" by Geoffrey Moore. (I won't post a link
here).
If you think about it, it's amazing (to me at least) how quickly this stuff has gone from academic
paper to there being tens of thousands (?) of enthusiasts experimenting with commercial product. I didn't realise
till recently that some of the key papers are as recent as 98-2000. (Correct me if I am wrong)
They drifted off into hilarious psychobabble about NLP in one episode, in
another one they called it Neuro-Physiology, the actor clearly had no internal referents to what he was talking
about.... the coroner pulled out a girls stomach in last night's episode, urine was dripping from it, she's been
on a drink your own urine health cleanse you see.... a great heaping lot vanishes in translation to the common
realm... if users aren't having instantaneous sex will carloads of hot teen girls they'll chuck it in the trash
and spend their cash on skin tight polyester club rags....
Im not even going to replyOriginally Posted by surfs_up
I was going to mention it but
SyriaBrian did first.
In the women's forum, there's a thread called "oozing sex" in wich she briefly dealt
with this attractive aussie at the fair. She suspected phero use and was massively attracted to this aussie and
thought it might be a member of this forum. Had some interaction but even though she suspected him of phero use, and
was there with her bf, it was still like magic.
People aren't going to ignore their feelings just coz humans
found a synthetic way of triggering attraction to some extent.
Even if it does become mainstream, I think
they'll be just as easy to hide.
I wouldn't say the market is quite ripe for phero users main stream though.
There are massive amounts of skeptisism even though there is interest. And all that skeptisism comes from so many
different directions.
But there's also a difference between how the public sees synthetic mones and colognes
with mones in them.
Synthetics are man made, made with a specific intent. And alot of people see that as
loserish or gimmicky. With products like Pherlure (and maybe Axe/Tag even though they don't lay claim to any phero
use) people are going to be even more skepticle and even jaded. But eventually the truth will come out. It always
does. How mainstream it becomes and if it becomes a fad or not, who knows. It could spark a 2000s version of the
1960s. Instead of drugs and anonymous sex, it'll be mones and anonymous sex.
Colognes have natural mones, wich
tend to have a different spin on them. More of an aphrodesiac type thought when it comes to mainstream, and have
credibility in that sense.
If there is any danger of mones becoming main stream and the general public becoming
educated about it, it'll be websites and forums like LS and pherolibrary.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not
bashing. But love-scent and pherolibrary have certain things to them that drew you in. It didn't seem gimmicky like
pherlure or cheesey like axe and tag. Infact, clicking the forums link on LS...people are invited into a world of
phero users that are genuinely asking advice and posting their own personal mixes, results, and fantastic stories.
Honest business, curious individuals, and a means to wich people can learn alot more about unconventional products
and their use in real world situation (not just theory or claim) is what you have to worry about.
Older folk are usually better read and more experienced, so no big surprise. I mentioned the use"This lady was with her
friend talking about how this perfume contained phermones...The lady was 50ish and [I?] was surprised she knew about
them."
of pheromones to one of my classes of mostly late teens and 20-somethings and only one student had heard of them. Of
course many college students would be hard pressed to locate Europe or Africa on a map.
I seem to recall
that the introduction of pheromones in colonges was big news during the late 80s and early 90s--the time that middle
aged was lady near her sexual peak. Believe, boomer women ain't like the grannies of yesteryear and are in denial
about their actual age. I'm sure even the paper boy has to watch his ass around boomer women...
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
I resent that lol. I thinkOriginally Posted by Gegogi
we deserve a little more credit that that.
cmo'n.... we vain mofos, we pay $500 gladly for our botox, we get hairplugs, we get little growths
lasered off our faces, we get our sphincters rebuilt...now let me ax you this... how many of the total folks that
had plastic surgery look more believable, unless you're that miniscule fragment of the population that pays some
exorbitant dough for the full on beverly hills celeb job ? How many people get it right ? I'm in my kitchen mixing
up esoteric jism out of ambrette seed oil, valerian root oil, carnation absolute, boswellia, opoponax, saffron, and
galanga wood to embed some fine pheromones for the right twing versus a south beach boner boy whose sloshed on some
crap that smells like the potties in business class on a British Airways transatlantic flight ans a pinch of
none.... and he lucks out and scores while I sit there and be sublime.... asshole.
I realy dont think that people
are going to spring to the conclusion that your using pheromones when thier little brains are thinking "damn
he's/she's hot!" When confronted by a situation where there is an emotional/sexual response in our wee little
brains,the last thing that starts whizing around our crainiums is "gee,I wonder if there is a scientific explination
to why I think she's hot?" Usualy,the thoughts go more toward,"how can I get him/her alone?" Attraction is just
exactly that...attraction.The reason isnt nearly as important as getting what we desire.
Fortunatly,we humans
arent all that far removed from animals in the area of sex.And when we get a go signal from our brains,it isnt
usualy from the same area of the brain that ponders poetry or phisics or the meaning of a beatles song.So I
seriously doubt that the use of pheromones being found out will have a negative impact on anything,with the possible
exception that one day you may wake up with someone you realy didnt expect to
If that were true, I'd get banged everytime IFortunatly,we humans
arent all that far removed from animals in the area of sex.
donned NPA. Our brains get in the way. Social conditioning rears its ugly and multifaceted head nearly everytime.
Women may feel the heat but then they consider what their friends may think, how much money you make, your clothing
and style, your race and/or age, religion (can't date non-Christians), etc. Of course, inject a little Jack Daniels
into them and they become like moth to flame.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
If a woman has these "mone
feelings" around a guy she normally would not be attracted to shes going to assume hes wearing the mones ...within
the next five years.
I said NOT THAT FAR REMOVED...not
JUST like them...geez...try to say something smart and everybody proves you wrong...
Now, if only someOriginally Posted by Gegogi
brilliant pheromone scientist could create a mone like spray that could remove social inhibitions we'd be even
better off still. Any takers...?
the regulators would love you. and just imagine the court cases. iOriginally Posted by Pherolover
wonder if alcohol would be legal were it discovered and marketed for the first time today
Originally Posted by Pherolover
Not to mention, more unwanted children, abortions and much
more emotional problems for people who are not mature enough to handle sexual relations. And I'm just touching the
surface.
Liquor and illegal drugs work
well enough if she needs a little "bump." At least she has to participate in ingesting the substances, suggesting
some interest and collaboration. An instant love spray would be involuntary. If you really can't wade through all
the social rituals, you can always pay for it. Money works better than any pheromone or drug...
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
crude but effective department... I don't know of any substance that enhances the effects of
pheromones as well as good old booze. Those who barely register a tick when sober will be overtly shifted in the
presence of -mones. Don't assume that the behaviors you witness in a quiet context will be anything like those in a
bar or club. Think about it contextually, bars are designed from the ground up to encourage drinking, the lighting,
music, spatial arrangements, in the good places comping a few beautiful people to hang around and act like bait...
went into one place sporting a punchy beta-nol mix, a knot of guys over at the bar were growing rowdier by the
minute, they all started yelling, then one of them takes off his clothes down to his black calvins and starts
dancing around one article from buck naked, his buds reined him in and they settled down... I've worn mones to very
high end restaurants and seen drunk investment bankers start howling about crossword puzzles while their bimbettes
stubled around crosseyed from the expensive champagne and the headwaiter muttered *merde* under his breath... then
I've seen evening where everbody behaved extremely sweetly and much more polite than usual, more empathetic and
respectful... hard to say what the triggering event was... but you will rarely see behavior like that without
moderate to heavy alcohol consumption...
I can't say I influenced the
mood of an entire bar or even nearby people when all 'moned up. However, it certainly loosens up drunk women in
your personal space. If they even remotely want you, they'll make their intentions obvious. I've gotten my little
willie grabed by normally reserved female acquaintances a number of times. They were embarrassed about it later and,
of course, blamed it on the booze. Of course it may have happened without the 'mones but I doubt it.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
OhOriginally Posted by platinumfox
well, that's just one more excuse women can use to justify any sexual inhibitions released that conflict with their
"normal" behavior. I say we use it to our advantage:
She says: "I'm strangely attracted to you. I normally
don't have these thoughts- you must be using mones"
You say: "Yeah you're right, I guess that means you
shouldn't even bother resisting your urges." <grin>
Something on that line or other.
The reasons why TAG and Axe are
popluar are because they are dirt cheap and they smell nice - no one who watches those commercials takes them
seriously, but they make us laugh. If these products were $25-$60 a pop, they wouldn't be so popular.
Mones
have been around for 11 years. I've seen some mainstream products use them. I haven't seen any increase in
awareness on the part of others that people might be wearing pheromones. If you don't want someone to look at you
in a funny way because you wear them, then don't let them know.
Phereomones are no more important to
attraction than other factors: sense of humor, confidence, ability to carry on a conversation with someone "all
night", etc.
I realized that being funny had a lot to do with attraction and I went out and read books on it
- and it worked.
Phereomones are the same thing. They are a tool and you shouldn't be ashamed that you're
using them - just don't go giving all your secrets away.
Once someone knows all your secrets, they may get
bored thinking there is nothing more to know about you.
??Originally Posted by Chemist
That would make their introduction to be in 1995. I first
bought pheromone colognes in the mid 1980s. Now granted, they weren't as advanced as the stuff now, but I can
remember ordering a product called Andros out of a Valentine Products ad in Club Magazine way before 1995. In fact,
I was using Realm for a few years before that too.
I think we still have some time
before pheromones hits the mainstream. As a test, I tried to start a pheromone thread at the OT board at the
survivor sucks ezboard, and it receieved two whole responses.
Most folks are either skeptical or just not
interested.
Women already know pheromones
exist. There are women products available at love-scent. There is a women's forum also. So a woman can be wearing
some copulins to attract you and you might not even know it.
As for the general public, people won't believe
into things easily. I tried to convince a lot of the people I know that these things exist but they don't believe
me. People need to be really open and not narrow minded in order to believe in pheromones. Pheromone products are
available since the 70s and yet it's still not in any major perfumes.
Axe and Tag might make people more open
though but they are just commercials. Noone will actually believe them. Now if Tommy Hillfiger or some celebrity
endorses pheromones then people will actually be more open.
You also have to consider that pheromones are not
really considered to be scientific by most people. If you search, love potion on the internet, you will get lots of
voodoo, spell and witch craft sites. This is what most people believe about pheromones.
most people would prefer to go
through voodoo whichcraft - working out losing weight and just about every other bit of **** the web can offer -
pheromones i doubt will ever go mainsteam so lets just keep it profitable for industry particpants ie stone labs,
love-scent, lecroy and the other producers and sellers etc
Enjoy the benefits and keep it a niche.
Paris Hilton's perfume,Now if Tommy Hillfiger or
some celebrity endorses pheromones then people will actually be more open.
announced with amid much press fanfare, contains pheromones. The bimbo actually uttered "it contains pheromones."
Didn't say which ones but said they will make him want you.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
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