Originally Posted by catlord17
Actually, if
you read that whole thread thru, it seems to cause more confusion then answers.
Here's a "missing link" that
might provide you all with some answers to some of the questions we had been discussing...
http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=11623
Originally Posted by catlord17
Actually, if
you read that whole thread thru, it seems to cause more confusion then answers.
I did read the wholeOriginally Posted by tounge
thread through, tounge. And while you are correct, it does provide some answers to two of the questions that I have
had: what is the response to androsteRONE by itself, and, is di-dehydroepiandrosterone the same thing as
androsterone?
Since there were a couple of others wondering these same things, I thought I'd post what
answers I could, despite the nature of the rest of the article.
I'm not much of a chemist, but my eyes areOriginally Posted by catlord17
pretty good. I saw "dihydroepiandrosterone" mentioned there, and I've seen "dehydroepiandrosterone" elsewhere.
However, neither on that thread, nor anywhere else other than on advertising for P-lure (and that questionable
abstract) have I found "di-dehydroepiandrosterone".
Oscar
I reread the thread again also. And
Catlord, I disagree with you. It doesn't answer anything in my mind. As a matter of fact it creates more questions.
And also it was never answered as to why RONE makes an attractive guy more attractive, and an unattractive guy less
attractive. Attractiveness is a subjective thing to begin with.
Hey Catlord,thanks for the reference and the link. It's been my experience with androsteroneOriginally Posted by catlord17
that it does absolutely nothing for me - I've noticed no reactions or hits to it at all.
[QUOTE=oscar]I'm not much of a
chemist, but my eyes are pretty good. I saw "dihydroepiandrosterone" mentioned there, and I've seen
"dehydroepiandrosterone" elsewhere. However, neither on that thread, nor anywhere else other than on advertising for
P-lure (and that questionable abstract) have I found "di-dehydroepiandrosterone".
I suspect that
"dihydroepiandrosterone" is a typo. The "di-dehydroepiandrosterone" reminds me of another marketing tactic:
vomeropherin was used instead of pheromone to promote products that supposedly activated the human VNO. There are
some creative marketing folks out there; let the buyer beware.
JVK
I LOVE THIS SITE
I just found this forum and have been addicted to it for the past few days. What a
wealth of info. I just wish I had found it a few hours earlier. I managed to find the Pherlure website and didn't
really look at it very closely. I generally have a pretty decent BS meter but I was to lazy to really investigate it
so I purchased a bottle After finding this forum with seemingly truthful info. I also purchased SOE packets and
Perception packets. But I won’t use those until my testing of Pherlure is complete.
LOOKS LIKE I AM A
SUCKER
I will be testing Pherlure over the next 2 weeks or 3 weeks to see if their HORRIBLE marketing
holds any truth. This may be one of the best products ever or one of the best rip off schemes ever. Every website
that lists info for this product tries to sell it to me.
Near Dishonest Marketing
There are about 9 or
10 other seemingly independent domain names that contain information on this product but they are very suspicious in
their language. Too much bull*$#@ not enough facts. Because of this I have decided to write this report.
There
are a few seemingly independent articles about the product. One is at askmen.com after the very short positive
article a note says that Pherlure commissioned the review and partially paid for its creation. Sounds creepy but I
would hope that askmen.com has some integrity.
Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone doesn’t seem to be a pheromone like
all the marketing suggests. It seems to only increase "plasma blood pheromone levels and sociosexual behaviors". It
sounds like you could just take DHEA tablets and get the same result. I have no chemistry or scientific background
besides being a bit of a geek but Pherlure is the only company that sells this chemical and they are the only source
of information on its properties. I did find one source that suggested an independent scientist was considering
development of a DHEA based scent but I can’t remember its source.
The information above has no bearing on
whether or not it really works. Simple fact is you can only take what I say at face value. Their marketing
techniques are near dishonest which does make me angry but their product might work. That aside it seems that they
have excellent customer relations. The product shipped within 24 hours of the order.
Below is the only
“scientific data” on Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone. It seems legit but it is only an abstract. If it were factually
incorrect the University of Chicago would lose face.
http://www.wondersinscience.com/archiv
es/2005/0207/novelpheromone.html
A double-blind, randomized study was conducted to determine the effect of
a novel human pheromone formulation (Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone) on plasma blood pheromone levels and sociosexual
behaviors in men in regard to women. Members of the group (n=84) had blood collected at the beginning and end of an
12 week period of the study along with a journal documenting sexual intercourse activity. Subjects were supplemented
with Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone in a fragrance marketed under the trade name "pherlure" (n=43) or a placebo fragrance
(n=41) for the 12 weeks. The subject group applied 2 sprays daily of the Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone added fragrance.
The plasma pheromone levels increased in the Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone group by 22.6%, respectively, while levels
decreased in the placebo group by 1.4%, respectively. The total journalized sexual intercourse activity levels
increased in the Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone group by 62.4%, respectively, in contrast to the placebo group which
increased by 2.8%, respectively. All comparisons were statistically significant (P<0.001). These findings suggest
that daily supplementation with Di-Dehydroepiandrosterone significantly increases plasma blood pheromone levels and
sociosexual behaviors.
Last edited by luxveritas; 01-08-2006 at 10:07 AM.
Just got my shipment from
both bruce and from pherlure in time for my new year. I almost afraid to waste my new years, on something that is
not a sure thing like pherlure. I rather try SOE. I guess i will have to suck it up and give it a go.
i would go with SoE tonight just
so you dont screw up your new years because you would regret that. do your pherlure testing after new years. also i
think this was the best experimental post i have ever read, very detailed and professional seeming.
Agree with Tyler. Great post. One
of the few long ones I could stay with. Really looking foward to your future posts. Tonight should be a great
testing night regardless of what you chose to wear.
BTW, when you when out without mones did you wear a
cologne. That is a very important detail.
keep us updated lux. In my
opinion, i would not waste the new years eve testing out products, so just try products that will give you smoe sort
of results.... have some fun tonight with pheromones that will guarantee you results
haha tonight i think ill test
out my NPA a bit more, i never really have bad results with it so i think its safe.
There is a great thread on this
subject located here on the forum.
The location is
http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13990
This thread has been going for a while and should answer any serious questions you may have regarding
Pherlure.
I am really looking forward to
what your experiences are. I've made my experiences known, but few here seem to consider my experiences valid.
I would have to say that
someone has to be a moron to market Pherlure the way it's being marketed. They're amost certainly costing
themselves sales.
Pherlure is BS. You may see effects
because it changes the dispersion of the products you mix it with, thus "altering" the dosage.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
Is it bogus? Yea. Are catlord's
result real? Yea.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
I wussed out on testing the
pherlure on new years. I figured that even if i got some results with pherlure. I wouldn't be able to tell if it
was because of the product or the sheer volume of horney chicks on the prowl. I put on half a pack SOE instead and
can tell you for a fact that it has some strange properties about it. I applied it before having anything to drink
and within minutes I felt stoned, really jittery like a caffine buzz and it seemed my fine motor skills were
impared. My game was really off so instead of going out hunting, I went to my roommates girlfriends friends party.
Turns out that everyone at that party was Gay. It was really funny because for the last 3 years I have gone to
literally gay parties for new years. I dont even have any friends i know are gay. It was fun because i enjoy talking
to people of different backgrounds and I didnt have any problems with the guys being obnoxious. I tried on the SOE
again today (had half a pack didnt want to waste) and felt stoned again. Could be because I was hung over but it
only started when I applied it. I swear to only test the pherlure for at least the next 2 weeks, I have to see if i
need to return it.
Originally Posted by bjf
I'm curious as to how you concluded it's bogus? Since my best hits
come from Pherlure worn alone. That would seem to discount your "mixing dispersion" theory.
Do one week's worth of testing with one spray, and then do oneOriginally Posted by luxveritas
week's worth with two sprays. In my experience, Pherlure needs to be refreshed about every 3 hours or so if you
apply to skin.
Originally Posted by bjf
You assume I always wear it with something else. To assume is dangerous, my friend. As it
happens, I get the best responses when I wear it alone.
Ha! Nope, I didn't assume that.Originally Posted by catlord17
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
I concluded it because of its contents.Originally Posted by catlord17
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
Originally Posted by bjf
I follow your logic, but it's faulty. I'm simply not imagining my results,
as much as you would like to believe otherwise.
I have a number of friends who get good laughs at the expense of
those who disagree with my experiences based on this sort of logic, because they see the results I get too.
Catlord17...your results are not
necessarily bogus or invalid.Nor do I dismiss your results out of hand simply based of my own
assumptions.However,the body of existing real science doesnt indicate that there is any hard validity to the claims
made by the products manufacturer.Are your results real? Sure they are.And I will be the first to say if it aint
broke,dont fix it.The only real question that remains is WHY you get results from a product that has not only been
over hyped,but demonstrated to be based largely on assumption and supposition rather than anything delivered through
scentific research.
The unfortunate problem is that while the product may in fact work for some,the person
behind the product has made bogus statements regarding that product.It may be the greatest product in the world,but
until its backed up by factual scence and research its just hype.Another element to consider is individual body
chemistry.What works well for one may not work well for another.Hence,the variety of different products available
through this site.Pherlure may work great for you and many others as well...heck...it might even work for me if I
ever tried it.But there is an issue of trust that exists when it comes to the claims of the manufacturer.We all know
that info-mercials and internet spam advertising has become corrupted with bogus advertising and claims for miricle
products and so forth.I spent huge amounts of time lurking around these forums befor I ever considered actualy
buying anything simply for the fact that there have been so many frauds on the internet.The eveidence that I have
seen is based not on using Pherlure but based uppon the debunking of the claims made by its manufacturer.If you get
results from it...great.I am not about to say your full of it.But the manufacturer doesnt have the best track record
and the product should be approached with great caution.
I agree, the manufacturer is screwing up withOriginally Posted by tim929
their marketing. In fact I have decided not to sell it, because they've done such a good job of screwing up, even
though I find that it works for me. Nordo I expect everyone to have the same results with it that I do, since I
apparently don't have the same results others do with this or the other pheromones. Body chemistry.
However, as
of right now, I'd say that Pherlure is my favorite of the stuff I have. It may not be correctlyclassified when
it's called a pheromone spray, but I sure do have fun with it. It seems to affect people like most people report
that NPA does, for me, except without the negative side effects. Whereas TE seems to do nothing unless I overdose
and become irritable.
I have noting to gain orlose if nobody believes my experiences, which is why I find it so
amusing to get such strong insistence that I can't be right from these guys. On the other hand, I have a lot of
testing time to put in yet with my pheromones, so this one might not stay on top of the heap.
I also have to
wonder if they put out a different product for people who have already bought from them. There have been some
reports that the first bottle was great, and then the second bottle didn't do anything. I guess we'll see when I
run out of this bottle's contents. Because call me a fool, but I have seen some amazing stuff happen after putting
on Pherlure, and I'll most definitely be buying another bottle. As far as I'm concerned, it's liquid gold. And
I'd wear it just for the scent, even without the "active ingredient", whatever the hell it happens to be.
Then
again, my loyalty lies with what works. If they're playing games with switching contents on second orders and
beyond, they lose me as a customer. Simple as that.
Maybe I'll send you this bottle when I have only a little
left so you can try it.
I never said that.Originally Posted by catlord17
Originally, I felt you
deserved the courtesy of a response as to possible explainations for why DHEA could really work for you, but
frankly, now I don't want to converse with you given your negativity.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
When I finish my testing I
think that I might post a website with the information from this thread and my personal experience and see if
slashdot will pick it up. If in 2 weeks i find that it works then I might extend my study to a month. Something as
contraversial as this seems to need investigation. If nothing else the site that I might create will expose the
companies marketing tactics. While doing research on this product I have yet to find a counterpoint to the rave
reviews of Pherlure. (maybe astroturfing) This is something that needs to be fixed for the sake of balance. Of
course I'll definately mention this forum and its wealth of info. I love this site. It seems to be the only island
in the sea of BS. Kudos to Bruce for allowing this thread for a product which he doesn't even (wisely) carry.
Originally Posted by bjf
I'm
afraid I fail to see the negativity you are attempting to punish me for with your silence. I am stating that your
logic is faulty, and it is. That's not negativity, that's simple fact. My experience disagrees with your
"logic".
And when I say I have friends who get a kick out of reading what you and others have said when
disagreeing with me, when they see what I experience first hand, that is also a simple fact. It's just amusing
that you guys are so stuck on your beliefs without ever trying the stuff for yourselves.
I couldn't care less if
you believe what I have to say. I don't care if you are interested in talking to me or not. You are welcome to
your choice of beliefs and actions. But please don't think I am going to suffer because you've chosen to stop
talking with me when I disagree with you.
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