I've really tried hard to OD on
A-none and it seems almost impossible for me. I'd love to frighten more people and watch them flee before me. Alas
such is not my fate. The best I can do is make women a little nervous and horny.
I have been
talking to a person that makes pheromone products(a manufacturer of products that love-scent carries)..I want say
for forum purposes. He/She says 20mcg or .02mg is the maximum optimal dosage for Anone according to some recent
studies. Any more gets into OD range and where negative effects start kicking in. Also Adding too much Anol has
been shown to decrease the sexualness/alphaness of Anone. This means Anone to Anol ratios are more important
depending on what kind of reactions your trying to get. Adding more Arone hasn't been shown to decrease Anone
effects so far.
I know it's not much information, but I thought it was some useful information that could be
used by forum members at love-scent.
I've really tried hard to OD on
A-none and it seems almost impossible for me. I'd love to frighten more people and watch them flee before me. Alas
such is not my fate. The best I can do is make women a little nervous and horny.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Any links? I haven't seen any
recent studies on androstenone.
That isn't my experience. -rone can quite severely temper the tension that -none can create if yourAdding more Arone hasn't been shown to decrease Anone effects so far.
-rone is too high. I'm not saying that that is a bad thing, but sometimes it can be useful to have the tension left
in.
It does seem to fly in the face
of a lot of experience. The discrpency may be related to their test criteria. Do you have any information on test
controls?
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
I meant adding more Arone want
hamper the good positive effects of Anone. whereas adding more Anol will decrease positive sexual effects. Anone and
Anol need to be in a balance ratio if you want more sexual effects or chatty.
hint..Its from a person that makes
all the pheromone products themselves and we have atleast one of their products on love-scent.
Does
your contact suggest an optimal range for the none:nol ratio when none is applied near the upper end of the 20mcg
ceiling?
Thanks
no..he/she has yet to make a combo
Anone:Anol product..but they will in an upcoming Cologne that will hit main department stores. Something similar to
AE/m is good. You want the Anol to be a little less than ANone...like 5mcg ANone:4mcg Anol or 5mcg Anone:3mcg Anol.
I get good results with AE/m ratio..which is 2mcg:1.5mcg Anol it's hard to get a perfect ratio as everyones body
chemistry is different. the 5mcg:3mcg Anol sounds like AE/m ratio....so maybe 20mcg ANone:12 mcg Anol
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If I recall
correctly, Dr SmellThis favoured fibonacci ratios. So I suppose 1.618 none:nol might be worth trying. I played
around a lot with this stuff originally but have been a bit slapdash since then.
Selfishly, it's a shame in
some ways (though of course inevitable) that pheromones are going mainstream. But I wonder why nobody has tried
this before? (This meaning punchy doses of none and nol at levels high enough to have a noticeable impact). Can it
really be because of liability concerns?
Yeah, I know. It doesn't change my desire to see test results. Their claimed results don'tOriginally Posted by Cloud9
match experiences from a lot of skilled users. I'd like to see their controls and baseline data. Without it the
results are close to meaningless.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
I think they were getting their
results off of a clinical study..thats all I know..I trust they know what they are talking about since they are
making popular products.
As you know, there are a lot of
clinical studies out there. Some are very well done, some were designed without a clue about proper methodology.
I'm not a trusting soul when it comes to my money, especially when it seems to defy what others have experienced.
Not saying they are wrong or right just asking for data needed by any serious scientist to evaluate a claim.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
yeah..I see what u mean..maybe
I'll get a chance to ask them later.
I think the fear of ODing is
overrated! Dare to wear!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
I've ODed on Anone before with
NPA and women just don't talk to you nearly as much ..they kind of seem intimidated..it just takes a whole lot more
work if you've ODed from my experience. With Anone..the whole "less is more" slogan has worked for me..my personal
ideal range is 8-12 mcg..in a club or big party I'd use more.
I had figured, but that doesn't make them right by virtue. Don't forget that some usersOriginally Posted by Cloud9
are at least as experienced as the manufacturers.
As Belgareth says, seeing the study would be required to gain anything useful; otherwise itsI think they were getting their results off of a
clinical study..thats all I know..I trust they know what they are talking about since they are making popular
products.
just another post on the forum (absolutely no disrespect intended).
fascinating....but my take on
this is simple. They can do all the studies they want on what the optimum ratio is....but I would think that there
is no optimum ratio for everyone. The body produces mones in different proportion. Someone who produces a bunch of
none on their own is probably better off with Chikara or Perception than say Ae or Npa....right? I mean thats what
the whole mone battle is....to find your own personal optimum ratio....
It isn't as simple as personal
production, you also have to factor in how you integrate each pheromonal effect into your general "game".
Pheromones may go mainstream, but I'm not so concerned as they can be useless in the wrong hands
I think pheromones going
mainstream are mainly weak versions of what we have and will be put into colognes and perfumes in made up ratios.
This mostly makes sense, but the devil is in the specifics. All that suggests isOriginally Posted by Cloud9
that you want to experiment based on your goals to determine appropriate ratios.
The best approach might be to
first determine your maximum -none dosage for the reaction you want (and no more, obviously), then hold that
constant while varying the -nol. For me that is "the amount contained in one dab of Edge (two for "high-none
occasions," or after a full body soap scrub) plus a small spray of Chikara." It's practical, but a useless idea for
science. I'm still not sure about the amount of -nol. I feel it depends on the situation and my goals.
At
least one pilot study has suggested that adding a little -rone to none/nol enhances the effect of the combo. So
given all that, you can find the minimum effective -rone/aa314 dosage to add (e.g., one large dab of aa314 in my
case), because I don't think much is needed. So you are working with both absolute amounts and ratios. Both are
important, as separate factors, for each individual and -mone.
My fibonacci experiments were about determining
ratios for mixes. These days I'm less interested in mixing everything into one bottle, unless designing a perfume.
Moeover, the sheer number of products with secret ingredients and non-disclosed ratios of things makes it impossible
to think this way most of the time any more. So I just think of each product I like as a separate entity to be
balanced for my own chemistry.
Fibonacci ratios are most easily understood as one universal method nature
employs to determine one more "amount unit" of something; a natural, working progression from less to more.
So if you want something to be, naturally, a "meaningful chunk more" than something else, and want the
two things to work together, you can try a fibonacci ratio. Another such ratio that applies to humans is 15/13,
which is the ratio of the average man/woman in weight; though fibonacci is more commonly seen. Another natural ratio
is the numeric progression. (Perhaps since I make natural perfumes, I often think of weird/stupid questions having
to do with natural math. For example, what are the two ratios of area/volume between two inscribed circles/spheres,
where each outer shape is twice the diameter of the inner? If you like those frivolities, what would be the ratio of
weights if the two spheres were filled with water, assuming the spheres were no longer inscribed but were separate?
)
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