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    The following information is

    from the pheromones reference library...

    - -nol to -none conversion

    There have been a lot of

    discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none does happen, but it

    won't be a big issue for -nol products users.

    Androstenol (which is a secondary alcohol)

    differs from androstenone (which is a ketone)

    because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate catalyst is

    present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:

    C19H30O

    (androstenol) + (oxygen) = C19H28O

    (androstenone) + H2O

    Luckily, in the

    usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen fast, so the -nol will

    anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very slowly. To get the idea

    SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8 hours from first

    application.

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    Yea so like I said before this is where I read it starts converting after 8 hours...
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    guess that's old information???
    -k

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    Any idea on how long

    it takes "Arone" to convert? or does it convert at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WxCloud9xW
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    idea on how long it takes "Arone" to convert? or does it convert at all?
    To the best of my knowledge,

    based on forum posts and info from Le Sillage on -rone heavy a314, -rone does not convert.
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    That sounds awsome if it doesnt.

    It would mean I could use more of it safely with heavy Anone products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuraykillua
    The

    following information is from the pheromones reference library...

    - -nol to -none conversion

    There

    have been a lot of discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none

    does happen, but it won't be a big issue for -nol products users.

    Androstenol (which is a secondary alcohol)

    differs from androstenone (which is a ketone)

    because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate catalyst is

    present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:

    C19H30O

    (androstenol) + (oxygen) = C19H28O

    (androstenone) + H2O

    Luckily, in the

    usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen fast, so the -nol will

    anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very slowly. To get the idea

    SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8 hours from first

    application.

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    Yea so like I said before this is where I read it starts converting after 8

    hours...
    I guess that's old information???
    -k
    That's why I said I rarely take anything on the forum

    at face value. We have the information you've posted but the experience of many users that the pheromones wear off

    in 4-5 hours and still other experinces that there could be some type of build up issue. They cannot all be correct,

    now can they?
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    Belgareth, Is it true that

    Arone does not convert back to Anone over time? It's just Anol right?

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    As far as I know that's

    correct. But please don't consider me an expert.
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    OK..thanks

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    I think some reasons for variations

    in reported time of conversion or "effectiveness" (strength over a period of time) are personal chemistry,

    environment (eg. hot and sweaty or cool), how much product you applied and where, etc. Too many variables to make

    definitive statements. All the different reports *could* be at least somewhat "right" for each specific user and it

    those situations they find themselves in.

    Example: some users think Perception is great, but so far I've

    gotten zip. Some dis Chikara, but I think I've seen positive responses.
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    chikara reminds me of AE/women,

    but with all those extra pheromones that I have no clue what they do.

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