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    Default Alpha 314 feedback and discussion thread

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    May as well start a thread now on this new product - keep it in one place and all as feedbacks start to come

    in.

    Well folks youre thoughts and experiences with this product - people in the next few days should start

    getting their orders so here goes.

    The mods might want to make this a sticky thread for a week or so or 2

    weeks just so it gets attention - then let it go into the wild - hapy hunting folks

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    I think that, as a mainly

    -rone product, this ought to be interesting to try out. As has been discussed in many threads and in the Reference

    Library ( cptkipling), -rone is a pheromone that can, among other things, enhance the effectiveness of other

    'mones and act as a -none imitator. One thing I've noticed about androsterone is that it eliminates the aggressive

    edge that comes with androstenone. (sheesh, all these 'mone names rhyme! )

    As such, it should be fun

    to find out what goes well with this product. As Bruce said, the product has very little (if any) smell to it. Just

    off the top of my head, PF seems to match that description. From what I read, PF is rumored to have -nol, as well as

    a very nice scent. Also, Pheros comes to mind. However, depending on the smell of aA314, Pheros might not be such a

    good choice (wouldn't want to eliminate that great smell). Just a few ideas before actual experimentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watcher
    May as well start a

    thread now on this new product - keep it in one place and all as feedbacks start to come in.

    Well folks youre

    thoughts and experiences with this product - people in the next few days should start getting their orders so here

    goes.

    The mods might want to make this a sticky thread for a week or so or 2 weeks just so it gets attention -

    then let it go into the wild - hapy hunting folks
    I agree. Although with the attention this product has

    been getting it may not NEED to be a sticky. I am certainly looking forward to giving this product a try, and there

    is also the matter of the "bonus" vial product that could almost use a separate thread...


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    Yes it would be 'VERY' nice to

    know at least whats in the experimental vial. At least we sould be able to give a name to it. Way 2 many items these

    days are secretive, that it's getting hard to keep track of whats what. I mean for all i know Realm, NPA, A314 and

    C7 have the same 'secrets' in them but with all the hype around anonymity these days no one knows....

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    Secret ingredients give them some

    limited aura of unknown - but realm i guess was avoided by many because the secret mone types no one knew and

    therefore some didnt trust em - if the products work then all well and good like NPA no one is going to argue if it

    does the trick but if its an undisclosed amount or type that does diddly squat people will get upset quick smart -

    at least they acknowledge its got the 3 main oens with 80% arone and Beta anol so just waiting on some users to post

    how it goes for em.

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    Since I haven't been around lately I

    read this is the new and improved Alpha 314, was there an original one and was this beta tested?
    "You made three mistakes. 1. You took the job. 2. A 4 man crew to catch me, f***ing insulting. 3. You didn't pack enough weapons."- Riddick "The Chronicles of Riddick"

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    think that, as a mainly

    -rone product, this ought to be interesting to try out. As has been discussed in many threads and in the Reference

    Library ( cptkipling), -rone is a pheromone that can, among other things, enhance the effectiveness of other

    'mones and act as a -none imitator. One thing I've noticed about androsterone is that it eliminates the aggressive

    edge that comes with androstenone. (sheesh, all these 'mone names rhyme! )
    I think the names all

    rhyme so that doctors can make up songs and lymrics about pheromones when they are bored. Im sure the folks at the

    CDC do it all the time with the names of plagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jose
    Since I haven't

    been around lately I read this is the new and improved Alpha 314, was there an original one and was this beta

    tested?
    I'm pretty sure that only DST tested the old version of the product; many people were afraid to

    buy from the site that offered it, as they had a habit of not delivering their products to those who purchased

    them...I'm also pretty sure that there was no beta tester of aA314, but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman808
    I'm pretty

    sure that only DST tested the old version of the product; many people were afraid to buy from the site that offered

    it, as they had a habit of not delivering their products to those who purchased them...I'm also pretty sure that

    there was no beta tester of aA314, but I could be wrong.
    I dont know, Bjf seems to know a little 2

    much...http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=121

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icehawk
    I dont know, Bjf

    seems to know a little 2

    much...http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=121
    Whack him.



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    A314 has been on the market, for

    what, at least a year?

    For obvious reasons, people didn't want to order from the previous distributor but

    there were plenty of love scent shoppers who actually got it. I know Einstein (the forum member) was a big

    fan.

    It is a good product. Consumer satisfaction is predictated on consumer expectations. Sometimes the

    expectations exceed the intention of a product, so it is best people know what it is designed to be.

    High

    none levels aren't appropriate all the time. This is a good replacement, ie for work.

    Oh yea, I never used

    the new stuff, just the old. It wasn't until I used the old stuff around people whose behavior around me I knew

    very well that I saw a difference. Increased respect.
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    ok, ok, ok I know what you're

    thinking... it needs some NPA. Don't worry, that will be the first thing I'll do

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    BJF thanks for sharing the

    info about the old Alpha A314 but from the blurb on the new version to be sold at Love-Scent it says that it is a

    much IMPROVED product. I mean it does not make sense to me that a High-Rone product would give you sexual hits but

    from what I have read and my experience with the Chemistry Set Rone it would give you:
    - increases in attention

    from others,
    - a 'fatherliness' alpha aura which gives you none of the negative effects of Anone such as

    appearing too aggressive or intimidating young girls and betas in general (however without the sexual hits that you

    get from Anone-rich products)
    - a slight increase in respect although nowhere near as powerfull as that of an Anone

    product
    - also Rone seems to be good for giving a mix a charismatic kind of effect and seems to, at low dosages

    enhance the hits you get from other pheromones
    - it also seems to make other people stay away from ur territory

    [not completely sure on this and this may be just a consequence of ODing on Rone as you get treated as invisible and

    people stay away without really negative reactions otherwise].

    However I would not just put Alpha A314 as a

    non-sexual product until we get some field testing done. I mean as I said Rone can enhance the effects of other

    mones...
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    thank you visionary,

    that's the type of detailed observations that help a lot.

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    actually its a "vastly improved

    product" which means the company making it has realised to get attention at LS they need to provide a "real"

    pheromone product with solid concentrations of Androgens - which means making it a pheromone product and not a

    perfume product with minimal concentrations of androgens.

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    cant wait for it to come out

    jeez 8 pheromones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visionary7903
    BJF thanks for

    sharing the info about the old Alpha A314 but from the blurb on the new version to be sold at Love-Scent it says

    that it is a much IMPROVED product. I mean it does not make sense to me that a High-Rone product would give you

    sexual hits but from what I have read and my experience with the Chemistry Set Rone it would give you:
    -

    increases in attention from others,
    - a 'fatherliness' alpha aura which gives you none of the negative effects

    of Anone such as appearing too aggressive or intimidating young girls and betas in general (however without the

    sexual hits that you get from Anone-rich products)
    - a slight increase in respect although nowhere near as

    powerfull as that of an Anone product
    - also Rone seems to be good for giving a mix a charismatic kind of effect

    and seems to, at low dosages enhance the hits you get from other pheromones
    - it also seems to make other people

    stay away from ur territory [not completely sure on this and this may be just a consequence of ODing on Rone as you

    get treated as invisible and people stay away without really negative reactions otherwise].

    However I would

    not just put Alpha A314 as a non-sexual product until we get some field testing done. I mean as I said Rone can

    enhance the effects of other mones...
    Visionary

    I hope people aren't interpreting what I say

    in terms of it being non-sexual. I wouldn't say that. It makes you seem more like the husband than one night

    stand type. Husbands and wifes do have sex.

    As for your other assements about rone, they are what I think

    this product offers, although I'm not sure about the territory thing with a314. Since it does have other mones in

    there, I think maybe it buffers this, but in any case, I am sure an OD would have people staying away from you.

    Rone is a masculine pheromone after all. It gets me a little bit irratable. It is still different than none,

    though.
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    Smile keep in mind that there's alpha-rone and beta (or epi) rone

    experience shows that the alpha-beta toggle can have significant effects...



    A314 has one rather interesting result... it seems to enhance or allow more vivid fantasy... sort of a dream

    intensifier

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    Quote Originally Posted by WxCloud9xW
    Found this

    information on some weird website that ranks abunch of phermone products<Link deleted>
    That's out of

    date. So far, our formulas are optimized each and every production run.
    Last edited by oscar; 10-18-2005 at 03:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    experience

    shows that the alpha-beta toggle can have significant effects...

    A314 has one rather interesting result... it

    seems to enhance or allow more vivid fantasy... sort of a dream intensifier
    The minty one?

    How many

    drops did you use, where, and how close to sleep?

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    Default Minty ? Not minty... kinda masculine earthy

    maybe my nose isn't translating it as minty... nothing mentholic about it.... it does burn slightly

    when I put some on my upper lip under my nose... it has an interesting "kerosine" scent that reminds me of guys who

    have been working all day... recognizably male, not skanky... exudes an older guy, nothin' to prove vibe,

    stable.... unhurried

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    maybe my nose

    isn't translating it as minty... nothing mentholic about it.... it does burn slightly when I put some on my upper

    lip under my nose... it has an interesting "kerosine" scent that reminds me of guys who have been working all day...
    You bought this from love-scent, right? Recently?

    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    recognizably male, not

    skanky... exudes an older guy, nothin' to prove vibe, stable.... unhurried
    You really hit the nose on

    the head every time.

    I'd really love it if you posted your perception enhancement methods sometime.

    Give a

    seminar or something ("take my money, please!").

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    Le Sillage, do you know if

    Androstedienone(A1) is in the AA314 mix? It has 8 pheromones I mean that gives it a good chance to be in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WxCloud9xW
    Le Sillage,

    do you know if Androstedienone(A1) is in the AA314 mix? It has 8 pheromones I mean that gives it a good chance to be

    in there.
    I was misinformed back when I told Bruce it had 8.

    The LS version has 9.

    The whole

    description isn't correct, overall.

    To answer your question, I'm told it has something similar in function to

    A1, that does not violate that patent.

    A314 is a toughie in many ways, because some of the pheromones are

    odorous, so a small amount of EO was added to cover THAT. The product also works better with EOs (all pheromone

    products do). In addition to that, I understand that one of the pheromones required EOs to be added as a denaturing

    agent so the product could fully qualify legally as a cosmetic, and not something you could drink for other

    purposes.

    The addition of the EOs, though, makes it hard to include A1 due to the way the patent is written,

    otherwise we wanted to include some.

    A series of tricky catch-22s to wade through.
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    quick question what are

    EOs? i know ive seen that before im just drawing a blank.

    interesting, it sounds to me like a314 has kinda a

    form of a1 in it. something maybe a few molecules away from a1 structure. maybe a precursor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    maybe my nose

    isn't translating it as minty... nothing mentholic about it.... it does burn slightly when I put some on my upper

    lip under my nose... it has an interesting "kerosine" scent that reminds me of guys who have been working all day...

    recognizably male, not skanky... exudes an older guy, nothin' to prove vibe, stable.... unhurried
    Sorry,

    she didn't say "minty" she said "mitty" as in Walter

    Mitty
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    EO usually is an abbreviation for

    Essential Oil(s). As in perfumes and aromatherapy.

    The "old man" scent that I've detected in some of the

    products like AE and a314 remind me of camphor (Cinnamomum camphora). I recall both a grandfather and my father had

    bottles of it long ago and I think they used it like an aftershave (reputed to be useful for blisters or other skin

    irritations, say from blade shaving). Conjures up a "mature man/fatherly figure" type image in my

    imagination/memory.
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    Wink This would be a recent batch, probably the 9 ingredient version

    FWIW.... I have been tinkering in the nose lab for a while, tweaking up my perfect

    fragrance for me.... easier said than done... almost everything the market has is essentially generic, even it is

    expensive, has nice packaging... it won't fit you any better than an off the rack suit will, once you've had a

    full bench made custom suit you know the difference...

    So in goes some Farmacia Santa Maria Novella, some

    Lorenzo Villoresi, other eye of newt and such, put it on, check it against my self image, as a mature adult, can I

    take myself seriously if other mature adults smell it... coming off like a pine cone or a modified version of

    designer Lysol, or worse, like a big Hershey Bar (yup.... the chocolate colognes...) is just annoying and

    ridiculous.... it is difficult, high art really to craft a work that is so believable, consistent with your image,

    and interesting to people who usually aren't interested fragrances (given the state of the industry, cranking out

    boatloads of evil smelling monkey piss and calling it ambrosia, colognes now = clueless young humpsters on the prowl

    and that's about it) that it's a small wonder when it happens... like seeing a really great work of art after

    looking at cheap posters all day...

    Frequently, when you get the four directions or the five elements or the

    seven prophecies all in balance, the addition of a pheromone, in all its aromatic glory, blends in and works fine,

    it completes rather than competes... there is a harmony of perception and effect... but we're talking art here...

    and good relationships, good conversation, good sex are an art form...

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    FWIW.... I

    have been tinkering in the nose lab for a while, tweaking up my perfect fragrance for me.... easier said than

    done... almost everything the market has is essentially generic, even it is expensive, has nice packaging... it

    won't fit you any better than an off the rack suit will, once you've had a full bench made custom suit you know

    the difference...

    So in goes some Farmacia Santa Maria Novella, some Lorenzo Villoresi, other eye of newt and

    such, put it on, check it against my self image, as a mature adult, can I take myself seriously if other mature

    adults smell it... coming off like a pine cone or a modified version of designer Lysol, or worse, like a big Hershey

    Bar (yup.... the chocolate colognes...) is just annoying and ridiculous.... it is difficult, high art really to

    craft a work that is so believable, consistent with your image, and interesting to people who usually aren't

    interested fragrances (given the state of the industry, cranking out boatloads of evil smelling monkey piss and

    calling it ambrosia, colognes now = clueless young humpsters on the prowl and that's about it) that it's a small

    wonder when it happens... like seeing a really great work of art after looking at cheap posters all day...



    Frequently, when you get the four directions or the five elements or the seven prophecies all in balance, the

    addition of a pheromone, in all its aromatic glory, blends in and works fine, it completes rather than competes...

    there is a harmony of perception and effect... but we're talking art here... and good relationships, good

    conversation, good sex are an art form...
    Gaius, you seem profoundly perceptive in a way that has

    nothing to do with scent, though. It's has a lot to do with everything. That's what I'm talking about.

    You

    seem to pick up on a lot of everything I and most people wouldn't even start to notice.

    Where'd you get that

    from? More importantly, how can I get some?

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