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    Could any

    of you guys tell me if "rone rage" is someting that only happens to people who take steroids? Or can it happen to a

    guy who has a whole lot of testosterone naturally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
    Could any of

    you guys tell me if "rone rage" is someting that only happens to people who take steroids? Or can it happen to a guy

    who has a whole lot of testosterone naturally?
    Rone, road, roid rage? Oh, I get it ...

    testosterone.

    I'd vote both, to a certain degree. Roid ... you'd notice the change

    in attitude. Naturally, if you've known them for a while ... you'd know, but if you just met him, it would be hard

    to tell without finding roid containers, needles, etc. etc.

    Anyone? Anyone?

    You didn't snap and

    kill someone with a fish, did'ja!?

    P.S. Something I've noticed in the last 5 years ... if people

    (your kids, friends, neighbors) that you suspect using steroids, or could be using, by some chance get real

    sick and doctors can't find out WHAT it is, or WHY ... BINGO! I always keep a close watch on users/suspected users.

    It's what helped me decide against it looooong ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
    Could any of

    you guys tell me if "rone rage" is someting that only happens to people who take steroids? Or can it happen to a guy

    who has a whole lot of testosterone naturally?
    Yes.

    (Definitely both, that is.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    You

    didn't snap and kill someone with a fish, did'ja!?
    Moi?
    You must have me

    confused with my Alter Ego(/w) who visits this forum sometimes! You know - that fishiepoo creature.

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    What other drugs could

    explain "inexplicable moodswings"? Cocaine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
    What other drugs

    could explain "inexplicable moodswings"? Cocaine?
    Chrystal Meth?

    Ritlan?

    Schizophrenia?



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    Well studies done on other

    animals lower on the evolutionary chain such as rats show that both male and female rats have the ability to exhibit

    typical male and typical female behavior. However it is largely dependant on hormones.

    Female rats given

    large doses of testosterone exhibited alot more male behavior, mounting males with low testosterone, fighting etc.


    Male rats who had their nuts surgically removed and produced no testosterone exhibited typical female behavior

    such as submitting (and crying to oprah ).

    Fighting is believed to be a way for males to establish a

    hierarchy. Thus aggresiveness is a typical male behavior. Thats why actionmovies are #1 among male viewers.



    Without a doubt will androgens affect a male humans brain in displaying behavior and attitude and traits

    that distinguish him as a male. Fighting or more correctly put aggresiveness is not excluded.

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    Roid rage is a myth...

    completely, some `roids might make you feel "godly" or "I'm the man" but except for one (which is very hard to

    obtain anyways), none have been shown to directly increase aggression. They will make someone feel more "alpha" and

    could therefore lead to more aggressive behavior, but there is nothing in them that directly causes increased

    aggression.

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    I call BS on that, introduce

    high levels of highly androgenic compounds and you'll see an increase in dominant behavior. It may not be a direct

    effect, rather the direct effect is it increases the risk the person will respond aggresively to stimulus in their

    enviroment since they are being more dominant

    Browse any steroidforum and check for firsthand experiences on

    high levels of trenbolone for instance(which is 5times as androgenic as testosterone). All users that i've read

    have reported increased feelings of anger when they are irritated, however they chose to start fighting or not is a

    matter of selfcontrol.

    Without doubt does steroids dictate how manly you feel and act, one of those traits

    include dominance and violence being the ruling factor of who dominates who on a very primitive level.

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    And here is a study to validate

    my claims, any hormone that has an androgenic effect WILL increase the aggresive behavior a person

    exhibits.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...br /> itation

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    I am quoting that study and

    underlining a very important word.

    "The present results, combined with previously reported findings of physical

    performance enhancement after anabolic-androgenic steroid treatment, are consistent with the interpretation that

    elevated levels of adrenergic and serotonergic amines in the hypothalamus could contribute to aggressive

    behaviors as well as improved physical performance."

    And according to

    dictionary.com
    could: Used with hypothetical or

    conditional force: If we could help, we would. This does not mean that the steroids (no matter how androgenic) will

    definitely cause an increase in aggression. Please stop propigating this myth. Even the study you quoted does not

    claim anything of the sort. And your claim of browsing any steroid forum to find trenbolone horror stories, I for

    one believe that a lot of those people are very aggressive to begin with, while people who aren't very aggresive to

    begin with will not show those signs of aggression, even with large doses of tren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    I am quoting

    that study and underlining a very important word.
    "The present results, combined with previously

    reported findings of physical performance enhancement after anabolic-androgenic steroid treatment, are consistent

    with the interpretation that elevated levels of adrenergic and serotonergic amines in the hypothalamus could

    contribute to aggressive behaviors as well as improved physical performance
    ."

    Most people who take any sort

    of prohormones or steroids are pretty sure that they do improve physical performance. They also are relatively sure

    that these items do in fact increase their overall agression levels.
    I doubt that you can actually claim that only

    angry people take them and than put all the blame for their outbursts onto the

    products...

    Quote Originally Posted by seduceme
    Without a doubt will androgens affect a male humans brain in displaying behavior and

    attitude and traits that distinguish him as a male. Fighting or more correctly put aggresiveness is not

    excluded.
    Seduceme is pretty much spot on. I myself know three friends that otherwise quiet and restrained,

    started acting a little wild when on a prohormone or steroid cycle. Biology dictates psychology. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    while people

    who aren't very aggresive to begin with will not show those signs of aggression, even with large doses of

    tren.
    http://www.medscimonit.com/pub/vol_11/no_4/4259.pdf

    "Aggresive and dominant

    behavior are distinguished. Testosterone influences both of these, even if man is usually inclined to affirm his

    power without causing physical damage."

    As with any effect of testosterone or other androgenics they are

    dose-dependant. More androgenic = more likely to exhibit aggression. However what I think youre saying is its not

    all about brainchemistry, and I agree, someone better equipped to handle their emotions(including rage) will most

    likely NOT exhibit aggresive behavior even though he is under the influence of supraphysiological androgenics.

    However he WILL feel more dominant and angry when he gets upset over something.(as the actual serotonin-levels are

    altered)

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    Being part of "that" community,

    I would be inclined to think that MB knows what he's talking about.
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    LoL, Yes, I'm a part of that

    community. I also have some first-hand experience. I know I sounded a bit harsh and even "uneducated" somewhat,

    but I don't like having people propigate myths and generalizations about substances. Also, while we are similar to

    the animals they do these trials on, we are not identical, and who is to say there is any major relation between how

    rats are effected psychologically and humans? From what I know, and the people I have talked to and been around,

    most people who get violent and aggressive while "on" steroids are just using the steroids as an excuse to not

    control themselves.

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    True, it would be unethical to

    study the alteration of brainchemicals in humans for that purpose. But in most other vertebrates other than rats who

    have been given testosterone including close relatives to us such as chimps(what is it 98% of our DNA?) have all

    showed increased aggresiveness and dominance.

    From an biological anthropologic standpoint it makes sense,

    since testosterone is the masculining hormone in most vertebrates including ourselves. And most male vertebrates are

    territorial , dominant and seek to dominate through violence(men roughly represent 80% of violent crimes in our

    society, 20% women), aggression or threat thereof.

    I wouldnt be so quick to call it a myth if its been

    proven scientifically on other vertebrates along with a shitload of anecdotal data.

    If you still hold a

    tight grip on your stance on this then lets apply the same logic to other effects of testosterone. Do all users

    experience severe acne? So when you or your buddies dont experience it, and those who do, do so because "oh theyre

    dirty people anyway thats just an excuse" does that make acne a myth and those experiencing it are just dirty people

    hiding behind their testosterone-use?

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