Could any
of you guys tell me if "rone rage" is someting that only happens to people who take steroids? Or can it happen to a
guy who has a whole lot of testosterone naturally?
Could any
of you guys tell me if "rone rage" is someting that only happens to people who take steroids? Or can it happen to a
guy who has a whole lot of testosterone naturally?
Rone, road, roid rage? Oh, I get it ...Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
testosterone.
I'd vote both, to a certain degree. Roid ... you'd notice the change
in attitude. Naturally, if you've known them for a while ... you'd know, but if you just met him, it would be hard
to tell without finding roid containers, needles, etc. etc.
Anyone? Anyone?
You didn't snap and
kill someone with a fish, did'ja!?
P.S. Something I've noticed in the last 5 years ... if people
(your kids, friends, neighbors) that you suspect using steroids, or could be using, by some chance get real
sick and doctors can't find out WHAT it is, or WHY ... BINGO! I always keep a close watch on users/suspected users.
It's what helped me decide against it looooong ago.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Moi?Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
You must have me
confused with my Alter Ego(/w) who visits this forum sometimes! You know - that fishiepoo creature.
Yes.Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
(Definitely both, that is.)
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
What other drugs could
explain "inexplicable moodswings"? Cocaine?
Chrystal Meth?Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
Ritlan?
Schizophrenia?
StarBucks Double Expresso?
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
Roid rage is a myth...
completely, some `roids might make you feel "godly" or "I'm the man" but except for one (which is very hard to
obtain anyways), none have been shown to directly increase aggression. They will make someone feel more "alpha" and
could therefore lead to more aggressive behavior, but there is nothing in them that directly causes increased
aggression.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way. "
~Becca
I call BS on that, introduce
high levels of highly androgenic compounds and you'll see an increase in dominant behavior. It may not be a direct
effect, rather the direct effect is it increases the risk the person will respond aggresively to stimulus in their
enviroment since they are being more dominant
Browse any steroidforum and check for firsthand experiences on
high levels of trenbolone for instance(which is 5times as androgenic as testosterone). All users that i've read
have reported increased feelings of anger when they are irritated, however they chose to start fighting or not is a
matter of selfcontrol.
Without doubt does steroids dictate how manly you feel and act, one of those traits
include dominance and violence being the ruling factor of who dominates who on a very primitive level.
And here is a study to validate
my claims, any hormone that has an androgenic effect WILL increase the aggresive behavior a person
exhibits.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...br /> itation
I am quoting that study and
underlining a very important word.
"The present results, combined with previously reported findings of physical
performance enhancement after anabolic-androgenic steroid treatment, are consistent with the interpretation that
elevated levels of adrenergic and serotonergic amines in the hypothalamus could contribute to aggressive
behaviors as well as improved physical performance."
And according to
dictionary.com
could: Used with hypothetical or
conditional force: If we could help, we would. This does not mean that the steroids (no matter how androgenic) will
definitely cause an increase in aggression. Please stop propigating this myth. Even the study you quoted does not
claim anything of the sort. And your claim of browsing any steroid forum to find trenbolone horror stories, I for
one believe that a lot of those people are very aggressive to begin with, while people who aren't very aggresive to
begin with will not show those signs of aggression, even with large doses of tren.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way. "
~Becca
"The present results, combined with previouslyOriginally Posted by ManBeast
reported findings of physical performance enhancement after anabolic-androgenic steroid treatment, are consistent
with the interpretation that elevated levels of adrenergic and serotonergic amines in the hypothalamus could
contribute to aggressive behaviors as well as improved physical performance."
Most people who take any sort
of prohormones or steroids are pretty sure that they do improve physical performance. They also are relatively sure
that these items do in fact increase their overall agression levels.
I doubt that you can actually claim that only
angry people take them and than put all the blame for their outbursts onto the
products...
Seduceme is pretty much spot on. I myself know three friends that otherwise quiet and restrained,Originally Posted by seduceme
started acting a little wild when on a prohormone or steroid cycle. Biology dictates psychology. Simple.
http://www.medscimonit.com/pub/vol_11/no_4/4259.pdfOriginally Posted by ManBeast
"Aggresive and dominant
behavior are distinguished. Testosterone influences both of these, even if man is usually inclined to affirm his
power without causing physical damage."
As with any effect of testosterone or other androgenics they are
dose-dependant. More androgenic = more likely to exhibit aggression. However what I think youre saying is its not
all about brainchemistry, and I agree, someone better equipped to handle their emotions(including rage) will most
likely NOT exhibit aggresive behavior even though he is under the influence of supraphysiological androgenics.
However he WILL feel more dominant and angry when he gets upset over something.(as the actual serotonin-levels are
altered)
Being part of "that" community,
I would be inclined to think that MB knows what he's talking about.
LoL, Yes, I'm a part of that
community. I also have some first-hand experience. I know I sounded a bit harsh and even "uneducated" somewhat,
but I don't like having people propigate myths and generalizations about substances. Also, while we are similar to
the animals they do these trials on, we are not identical, and who is to say there is any major relation between how
rats are effected psychologically and humans? From what I know, and the people I have talked to and been around,
most people who get violent and aggressive while "on" steroids are just using the steroids as an excuse to not
control themselves.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way. "
~Becca
True, it would be unethical to
study the alteration of brainchemicals in humans for that purpose. But in most other vertebrates other than rats who
have been given testosterone including close relatives to us such as chimps(what is it 98% of our DNA?) have all
showed increased aggresiveness and dominance.
From an biological anthropologic standpoint it makes sense,
since testosterone is the masculining hormone in most vertebrates including ourselves. And most male vertebrates are
territorial , dominant and seek to dominate through violence(men roughly represent 80% of violent crimes in our
society, 20% women), aggression or threat thereof.
I wouldnt be so quick to call it a myth if its been
proven scientifically on other vertebrates along with a shitload of anecdotal data.
If you still hold a
tight grip on your stance on this then lets apply the same logic to other effects of testosterone. Do all users
experience severe acne? So when you or your buddies dont experience it, and those who do, do so because "oh theyre
dirty people anyway thats just an excuse" does that make acne a myth and those experiencing it are just dirty people
hiding behind their testosterone-use?
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Thomas Jefferson
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