Need advice from you guys?

[NaughtieGirl]

From

what I've read Pheros might be a very interesting product for me to buy for my husband to give as an...

after-shave?


What could I mix with it to enhance the effect? Just a pure -nol? He is definitely alpha-type,

does that mean he would not benefit from -rone?

My goals: mood-enhancer and aphrodisiac for him.



If I cannot achieve it by what I'm wearing, maybe I can get HIM to wear sth that will help.

Any suggestions

are welcome. Guys - I'm not talking about what mones exert an influence on women, but rather on yourselves.



Thanks all!

[Pancho1188]

I'm not sure how ethical this

is, but you could try buying him cologne with the -mones mixed in as a present...or you could spread -mones around

the room in question to set the mood. Just make sure you don't OD him or he'll get agitated.

I remember one

day I put on -mones and just got totally in the mood...I wish I could remember which one I used....I think it was

Chikara or Perception. I just remember walking around, looking at every girl I saw, and thinking, "How you

doin'?"

[NaughtieGirl]

Welll actually ... that is

exactly the type of thing I had in mind. Not all that different from giving him regular aftershave or smelling up

the room with "sensual aromatherapy"?

I just need to figure out which of the products have that effect on a man.

Or.... maybe I should mix some of my mones in his aftershave??? Nothing like close proximity right! hmmm...



I'll go check out the details of Chikara and Perception in the product section.

[Pancho1188]

If you're going to mix, stay

away from Perception (the water base makes a bad mix). I don't want to misquote DST, but I believe at one point he

said that Pheros was almost unisex (meaning women could use it effectively, too). Maybe you should try that...it

could be for both of you.

[NaughtieGirl]

Yep -

Pheros is definitely something I would like to get. I was just wondering if there was something in the men's

line of products that would "spice" it up for both of us.

[silksand]

I've been asking my husband to

try out some of the men's sample packs I've got - he says he will, but ...

so I wish I knew what to

tell you! Except for that Old Spice High Endurance bodywash I keep raving about, which is muy yummy on him ;D

[Pancho1188]

I'd go with something that

has a sexual kick to it over -nol. TE/NPA or Chikara are good...I say that because SOE and WAGG may make you more

intimate in cuddly, up-all-night-talking kind of ways. Also, too much or bad timing could lead to a depressed type

of mood. I didn't think of this before, but maybe that would make WAGG-N a good choice. The intimacy of WAGG with

the passion/intensity of -none. Hmmm...check posts for results with that product. I think PI would be too much -none

if your hubby is alpha...

[inkling]

Hiya Naughty,

Our goals are

similar, and apparently our thoughts too. But I fear I've taken the route of the wayward.

In my case I have

added the Chikara gel packs to his products (shampoo, body and face wash) secretly as he doesn't wear cologne or

aftershave. Is this bad, I teeter betwix yes and no? I have yet to tell I am using pheromones let alone I am now

scenting him too. I do hope the pheromones make him feel good once he is at home for the day. I'd scent his

clothes if I thought he wouldn't notice. My reasoning behind this was that when I apply pheromones I feel my mood

elevated among other things and I'd like him to feel that way too. That I am doing it secretly just sucks but I

would rather not share that information just yet if at all.

The problem with this is that I can't very

well ask how is this working for him, nor tell if the effects are from my scents or his. So far so good, we're

having fun. The Chikara scent sticks to him so I don't think its a full waste or unkown OD risk having them used in

the shower.
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[NaughtieGirl]

Oh

no-no-no Inkling, I would not worry about it. They are our husbands/partners (whatever the case may be) Do we like

to cook-clean etc? Of course not. It's all part of a big package deal. Just as I would bake him a blueberry pie to

make him happy, I can douse pheromones over his bedsheets to make him feel more amorous and improve our

relationship. I have no problem with it at all. If I did, then I wouldn't be able to wear make-up to look more sexy

or wear perfume, or buy him the after-shave I think smells sexy on him. My reasoning is that this is all part of

perfumery/aromatherapy. He has expressed no misgivings whatsoever to me wearing his favorite perfume, or me scenting

up the room with essential oils. Men don't want to be bothered with details. He does not care to know the name of

the shade of eye-shadow you're wearing, all he cares about is that you look hot!

Just some ramblings to suggest

you relax and enjoy the experimentation of the phero-scents

PS What did you mean by the route of the

wayward?
I am not telling my husband about this because he just would not believe in it, and tell me I'm crazy.

[inkling]

I say route of wayward because I

have secretly doused him in Chikara for my own benefit. On the other hand I think its got to be a heck of a good

way to have him washing off the day and preparing to spend time with me. Like I said, I teeter.

haha
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[NaughtieGirl]

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Cheers.

[NaughtieGirl]

I'm sorry if we

misunderstood each other a.k.a. Believe me my intentions towards my husband are the best. I would gladly share with

him whatever I feel he can accept at this point. Short of that I'm just doing the best I can to make our

relationship as best as it can be. And believe me - I ain't no 8.5 or less!

Maybe you were just joking and I was

being too "sensitive"? (As we women can be - and it's a good thing!)

[Michael909]

I wish my last girl friend

was as bright as some here,I tried to spice the lov'in up to me efforts found no purchase on that rocky ground.


had I been useing MONE's things may have been helpful,oddly, I really don't feel too bad with the new prospects in

front of me.

[bindy]

Hi Naughty,

I just ordered

some samples for my husband. I recently told about the pheromones. He was thrilled to know my little secret.

Anyway, I ordered Chikara and SOE, but got Alter Ego instead of the SOE. Neither of us liked the smell of Chikara,

and it didn't do anything for me. We both liked the scent of the Alter Ego, and after testing we ordered a bunch

of stuff for him to try, and more for me to play around with. I think ordering the gel packs to see what works

might be a good idea, and then spend the money on the scents and reactions you like the best.

Bindy

[Watcher]

Pheros maybe not perhaps NPA or

something like Unscented scent of eros ?

[Icarus]

Would probably be best to keep the

pheremones enclosed in aromatherapy or whatever, rather than in a cologn... cuz you wouldn't want him to be in the

mood all the time (like if he started to wear the cologn to work) as that's just not fair on the poor guy



Steve

[esk6969]

And believe

me - I ain't no 8.5 or less!

I don't understand this. Does this mean you are ABOVE an 8.5 (on a

scale of 10), or below it? Assuming that was what you were even talking about?

If you are above an 8.5 in

this regard (or even if you're not), there are other, more direct things you can do to spice things up. If you've

tried female 'mones, (especially ones with cops), and that hasn't produced results, adding more 'mones won't

help. Pheromones only amplify the essence of what's already there - if there isn't attraction in the first place,

'mones are unlikely to change that. Understand, I'm sure there is attraction between you and your husband, but if

he's too distracted with working or whatever, 'mones won't spontaneously generate sexual interest without other

overtures.

Us men are simple creatures. I'm going to give some risque advice here - I hope you take it in the

spirit it is intended.

I have a friend, who has a saying about women initiating and showing interest in sex,

while in a long-term relationship. He says "there's all kinds of ways she can come out of the bathroom." In other

words, she can go into the bathroom to get ready for bed, and come out in a buttoned up housecoat - that means

"closed for business". She can come out in one of his dress shirts - could be taken either way. Or, she can walk

out in a brand new crotchless teddy with matching thigh-highs and high heels - there is no possibility of

misinterpretation here. The message is "I want sex". Simple. No pheromones required.

Add to that, you've

already surreptitiously placed scented candles around the room. Look at him seductively - if he tries to say

something, just put your manicured finger over his lips, and give your sexiest "shhhhh...." - then, light the

candles with the lighter you've already got out, turn on the CD player with the CD you've already placed in it.

If you want it romantic, obviously, put in a romantic or new-age type CD. If you want it wild, put in something

like a dance CD, or perhaps a trance compilation - great stuff to get rough to, if you like that sort of thing.



You can also "stack" onto this. For instance, if this is something that would fit into your relationship, you can

also have some hand ties hidden behind, and already fastened to, the bedposts. Tie him up, and climb on top. Hint:

there's more than area you can climb on top of. The level of self assurance it takes for a woman to tie up a man,

then sit on his face, and demand oral sex, (in a playful way), is about as big of a turn on as you can imagine.



Hopefully, with the above template above, you can take what parts you like, discard the ones you don't, and apply

what you believe will work in YOUR relationship. Such "stagings" for seduction usually work for men to seduce

women. They will ALWAYS work for men. The whole point, is to add spice, and variety, and change it up. You can

mix and match here, as well. Can you think of a place in the above seduction where a seductive striptease might

work in? (another hint: "Cry little sister", from "The Lost Boys" soundtrack. Ultimate strip song.) How about

handing him a camera? Yes ladies, we do like to take pictures of your sexy, scantily clad bodies. Remember, we're

mostly visual. That's why we like porn. Speaking of porn, try watching some on your own. Right or wrong, that's

what a lot of guys think that great sex looks like. Surely there are some elements there that can be incorporated

as well.

Remember the Laura Corn (author of The Great Sex Diet) formula: Variety + Anticipation = Great

Sex.

Apply the above, with little twists. Wash, rinse, repeat. Enjoy your hot sex. THEN add in 'mones to see

how they spice things up. If all of that doesn't get things moving, then there are probably deeper issues in the

relationship that need to be worked out.

P.S. - In a more direct answer to your question, in my experience, male

pheromones do not turn me on. What they WILL do is make me more agitated, especially 'none-heavy mixes. See my

post on "TE is a workout supplement" for more info on this. They may also help to elevate and lift mood somewhat

(Chikara seems to do that for me), but they won't make me horny. I suspect, what's going on, is that the

testosterone levels might get raised - but, in the absence of sexual stimulus, this usually tends to make us more

agitated and angry than horny. Great for the gym, not so great for the bedroom.

[NaughtieGirl]

Well

thank you esk6969 for your long reply. I do appreciate it. Writing these messages takes alot of time and it was kind

of you to go through the trouble of going into details.

I think I need to tackle this problem one step at a

time.

First of all - Yes to everything you've said. But... here's the rub (no pun intended). If I initiate

something I invariably get: " Honey, I'm just trying to relax!" Standard expression. In other words he is the alpha

and my initiating is considered annoying (or even in bad taste). I can at best try the very subtle, demure, innocent

approach (or... get him drunk first!)

The 8.5 bit - Forget that. I wrote that in anger the other day because

we had a fight and we were going to break up. I did do some modeling in Europe and got second place at a Amateur

Beauty Pageant at Club Med at the French Riviera (lol - my little sis won!). But that was just people on vacation

there. But that's all neither here nor there. Looks can even work against you!

The huge fight was brought on

by the fact that with the age difference and the meds he's on and his stressed out nature, I was unsuccessful for

the upteenth time to get something going that night. The next day I tossed my VS outfit in the trash. Anyway... when

he saw that I wasn't backing down and was actually going along with the "break-up" he did a 360 degree turn and

has been sweet ever since.

My final conclusion of this thread is that I might buy some Pheros because - from

what I've read - it smells very good. He loves to wear aftershaves and perfumes. I am NOT going to spike it with

anything. My first priority should be to calm him down, not necessarily try to get his testosterone going. It would

make him even more agitated. Thanks guys for that insight. I didn't know it made guys agitated/aggressive.



I'll definitely check out the movie and the sound track, just for my own fun. The strip one that came to my mind

was Demi Moore in 91/2 weeks. They play soft porn on regular TV late at night in Europe. Mainly on the German and

Dutch (Netherlands) channels.

Anyway - gotto go - Thanks again all!

[esk6969]

The huge

fight was brought on by the fact that with the age difference and the meds he's on and his stressed out nature, I

was unsuccessful for the upteenth time to get something going that night. The next day I tossed my VS outfit in the

trash.

Whoa, hold on, this changes everything. You didn't mention medication in your OP. If he is on

certain types of medications, like SSRI-class antidepressants, then those can dramatically decrease both sex drive

and response. If that's what's going on, then that's your answer right there. None of this other stuff,

including 'mones will help, if that is the case.

If that is the case, you might want to check out Wellbutrin,

it works different than SSRI's, and doesn't have near as many sexual side effects. Although IMO, the best

solution is to get off antidepressants for good. By all means, use them to treat the symptoms, then go fix the

causes to get rid of them within the therapeutic window that they provide. If this doesn't apply to your

situation, then obviously ignore it.

You mention you did some modelling, and then mention VS outfits - I wasn't

clear before. If your avatar picture is one of you, then you are clearly above 8.5. If you look like that, or even

anything close to it, and you are wearing VS lingerie, and that's not getting things going, then there are external

factors involved. The "normal" male sexual response with such a combination would typically be one of HIGH interest

. Those external factors will have to be addressed, before 'mones can be of help.

By all means, get the

Pheros for the smell if nothing else, I've heard nothing but good things. Just don't expect a miracle if things

are as described above. Wishing you luck, and if we can be of further help, please don't hesitate to ask.

[Pancho1188]

Good post.

Whoa, hold on, this changes everything. You didn't mention medication in your OP.

She

did mentioned it in another thread.

[NaughtieGirl]

Thanks guys - Actually the

meds are bloodpressure meds - Cocktail of ACE inhibitor, alpha-blocker, diuretic.

I'm moving past the sexual

thing. I'm afraid that whatever mones raise his testosterone unfortunately also make him quite agitated and

impatient. So now I'm concentrating on the "feel-good - calm him down - get him in a good mood" category.

Re

my avatar - No it's not me, but it bears a resemblance. I work very hard at it - diet/working out etc. The good

thing about the -nols is that people are now perceiving me in a more friendly manner. From conversations with

friends I have found out in the past that people think I'm Swedish, that I'm distant (I tend to be quieter than

Americans) and that I'm stuck-up <img> HA! Women are also friendlier now. They are starting to call me "cute and

sweet".

I think a heavy -nol mix will work best for me. So I'm researching (see Women's forum in near future

for reports)
- Alpha-nol
- Beta-nol
- Androstadienol
- Methoxyestateraene (sp?)
- Estratatraenol

The

archives are fascinating (albeit very time-consuming)!

[DrSmellThis]

From what

I've read Pheros might be a very interesting product for me to buy for my husband to give as an... after-shave?




What could I mix with it to enhance the effect? Just a pure -nol? He is definitely alpha-type, does that mean

he would not benefit from -rone?

My goals: mood-enhancer and aphrodisiac for him.

If I cannot

achieve it by what I'm wearing, maybe I can get HIM to wear sth that will help.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Guys - I'm not talking about what mones exert an influence on women, but rather on yourselves.

Thanks

all!

Pure nol would indeed be good. There is already a little bit of copulins in Pheros, and other

things to enhance his sexuality.

Sorry it took me so long to reply.

[esk6969]

Re my

avatar - No it's not me, but it bears a resemblance. I work very hard at it - diet/working out etc. The good thing

about the -nols is that people are now perceiving me in a more friendly manner. From conversations with friends I

have found out in the past that people think I'm Swedish, that I'm distant (I tend to be quieter than Americans)

and that I'm stuck-up <img> HA! Women are also friendlier now. They are starting to call me "cute and sweet".

So, to sum up, you are a Swedish or at least Swedish-looking, model, who works hard at dieting/working

out, and thus probably has a good body, wears Victoria's Secret lingerie, and are researching pheromones so that

you can increase your attractiveness even further, and yet you're still not getting satisfaction.... while almost

any man would give his right arm to have what is described above.....

There is no justice in the world. None.

[NaughtieGirl]

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But I'll tell

you what - My husband has the most attractive pheromones in the world! He is essentially the reason why I believe

in pheromones.

[wood elf]

so I wish I

knew what to tell you! Except for that Old Spice High Endurance bodywash I keep raving about, which is muy yummy on

him ;D

Silksand:

Belgareth was running low on his normal wash. I purchased for him the Pure Sport

scent of Old Spice Body Wash. It smells a little funny right out of the shower. After some minutes it is quite nice.

I see what you mean, it is yummy. Thank you so much for the suggestion.

W. Elf