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    Before getting involved in this forum and pheromones I had almost no interest in scents for men,

    deeming them to be a waste of time. Others disagree and that’s fine; to each their own opinions. I still have little

    interest in the commercially available ones.




    Recently, while

    studying for a trip out of the country I read of an essential oil, a reputed aphrodisiac native to Asia that sounded

    interesting so I started looking into it. It is called Aloeswood, Agar and Oud to mention a few and has a long

    history in the Orient and India. I ordered a small vial of it to try it out, then I ordered a larger vial from

    another locale and have yet another coming from still another place. Each is unique. This forum has created a

    monster! This stuff is expensive but is also incredible. Reactions have been uniformly great.






    The first bottle I bought about a month ago was from Laos, not one of the better

    ones but something to try. 2 cc cost roughly $30. Not cheap but you use so little of it that it doesn’t matter. Top

    quality Oud from India can cost as much as $500 for a tola (12 Grams ) The scent lasts a long time; I apply to

    my forearm in the morning and can still smell it the next morning. Using it alone, Wood Elf calls it erotic and

    sensual, she loves it on me. Other women have made various comments about it, none negative and some highly

    complementary if a little embarrassing. One lady who was in my car with me told me I smelled good enough to

    eat.




    With those results I started trying it with mones, first

    NPA then SoE. Both had an impact, noticeable looks from women and more compliments. NPA gave me better results than

    SoE but I haven’t really been wearing it long enough to have a track record. My first impressions have been really

    great so I wanted to share this with everybody….especially poor old Mobley. Now, will you please stop begging

    my girlfriend for information?
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    Luca Turin talks extensively

    about oud in Chandler Burr's fascinating book "The Emperor of Scent" - I've never had the pleasure myself, but

    from all I've heard it sounds divine. Lucky you! (and wood elf too!)

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    There is actually a lot of

    high quality oud in Pheros! If you smell for it you should notice. It cost me a dollar a drop to put in

    there. Oud is a big part of the wood note, along with sandalwood. So that might be one reason why you had success

    with that product, if your body chemistry goes well with oud.

    I have posted on this oil many times, and wrote a

    page on oud in the perfuming basics thread. It is a great essence, and a renowned aphrodisiac. However, by itself,

    the chemistry isn't for everybody. I prefer it mixed with other things, but have worn it alone. It is an enchanting

    scent to say the least, but is pretty intense.

    Try a tiny drop in rose oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
    Before getting involved in this forum and pheromones I had almost no interest in scents for men,

    deeming them to be a waste of time. Others disagree and that’s fine; to each their own opinions. I still have little

    interest in the commercially available ones.




    Recently, while

    studying for a trip out of the country I read of an essential oil, a reputed aphrodisiac native to Asia that sounded

    interesting so I started looking into it. It is called Aloeswood, Agar and Oud to mention a few and has a long

    history in the Orient and India. I ordered a small vial of it to try it out, then I ordered a larger vial from

    another locale and have yet another coming from still another place. Each is unique. This forum has created a

    monster! This stuff is expensive but is also incredible. Reactions have been uniformly great.






    The first bottle I bought about a month ago was from Laos, not one of the better

    ones but something to try. 2 cc cost roughly $30. Not cheap but you use so little of it that it doesn’t matter. Top

    quality Oud from India can cost as much as $500 for a tola (9 Grams ) The scent lasts a long time; I apply to

    my forearm in the morning and can still smell it the next morning. Using it alone, Wood Elf calls it erotic and

    sensual, she loves it on me. Other women have made various comments about it, none negative and some highly

    complementary if a little embarrassing. One lady who was in my car with me told me I smelled good enough to

    eat.




    With those results I started trying it with mones, first

    NPA then SoE. Both had an impact, noticeable looks from women and more compliments. NPA gave me better results than

    SoE but I haven’t really been wearing it long enough to have a track record. My first impressions have been really

    great so I wanted to share this with everybody….especially poor old Mobley. Now, will you please stop begging

    my girlfriend for information?
    I remember reading about OUD from a post on here

    loooong ago ... it came in some kind of an oil,and the mones in it were suppose to be from plants.

    Anyone!?

    Anyone!?

    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
    My first impressions have been really great so

    I wanted to share this with everybody….especially poor old Mobley. Now, will you please stop begging my

    girlfriend for information?
    Geez! Thanks! I was just getting ready to offer

    her money annnnd a Hummer!
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Doc,

    Sandalwood mellows it

    a bit, I've tried that a few times. However, since it seems to go so well with my chemistry, I wear it alone most

    of the time right now. The hits are as good as anything else and the scent is appealing to those around me.

    COuldn't ask much more than that.

    Silksand,

    One of the companies I've been buying from has a sampler of 5

    major Ouds. It's pretty cheap at $100. Let me know if you want more information.

    Mobley,

    Oud is the pure

    oil, an Attar is the oil mixed into a carrier. From what I have learned it isn't worth the trouble to buy the

    Attars other than greater spreadability (is that a word? Guess it is now.) Good luck with the money and the

    Hummer, she'll probably send you in the wrong direction once she gets paid off. DON'T PAY HER UP FRONT!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
    Silksand,



    One of the companies I've been buying from has a sampler of 5 major Ouds. It's pretty cheap at $100. Let me know

    if you want more information.
    Now you're saying Ouds comes in 5 different scents?

    AND if there are 5

    ... which one do you use, like best, Bel?

    How did you mix it with NPA/SOE (premix or separate)?

    Thanks!



    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
    Mobley,

    Good luck with the money and the Hummer, she'll probably send you in

    the wrong direction once she gets paid off. DON'T PAY HER UP FRONT!!!!!
    I kind of figured that it would be

    impossible for her to be your
    BETTER half! Thanks for the heads

    up!
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    Now you're

    saying Ouds comes in 5 different scents? AND if there are 5 ... which one do you use, like best, Bel?

    Thanks!

    The two I have so far are from Laos and Malaysia. The Laotian one smells better to me even though

    the Malyasian is more expensive. There are actualy quite a few flavors depending on where they were harvested and

    methods of extraction.

    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    I kind of figured that it would be impossible for her to be

    your
    BETTER half! Thanks for the heads up!
    Oh?

    And what makes you think that? I just hide my larceny better.
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    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    How did you mix

    it with NPA/SOE (premix or separate)?

    Thanks!


    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Here's one I found that's 25% oud and 75%

    cederwood. Haven't tried it yet , but thinking about getting some after Payday ($27.90)

    The place is in

    Utah.

    Hey Bruce--how about stocking some of these EE's??
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    If you can afford it, I

    strongly reccomend getting the pure oil.
    www.oriscent.com
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    Thanks Bel!

    I've been

    looking but haven't been able to find a cheap (enough) local source to sample, so until I do I'll have to be

    envious, and/or use Pheros.
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    Exclamation Know what you are doing when you buy Lao Oud-aloeswood

    you have to know who you're dealing with: there is a tremendous variation in quality,

    price, method of extraction. I know one person who directly imports the material. The oil is picked up at the still

    in Laos and hand carried back to the USA. Real premium grade Lao Oud is a moderately viscous yellowish oil with an

    intense aroma and unmistakable psychoactive effects. There is also a CO2 (supercritical extraction) form that has a

    deeper aroma, it is a molasses like oil that hardens at slightly below room temperature. There is, be warned, much

    contaminated and stepped on Lao Oud, and some of this sold at ludicrously inflated prices to naive buyers. Some of

    these types advertise on the internet too.
    There are three major grades of the steam distilled yellow oil, in

    my opinion only the superior grade is worth the trouble and it runs about 30-35 dollars a gram, probably more with

    the weak dollar. Be very suspicious of a product that shows any sign of separation, for instance if the bottle looks

    like it is part one thing, such as a clear oil or wax, and part something else, you're getting adulterated Lao.


    To repeat, the Lao Oud market is infested with scammers and hucksters. Only deal with businesses that make

    Lao Oud a substantial part of their catalog. If your supplier gets blustery or defensive or makes a big show of

    their superior knowledge if you question the product, you're probably dealing with one of the multitudes of

    bullshitters out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    you have to

    know who you're dealing with: there is a tremendous variation in quality, price, method of extraction. I know one

    person who directly imports the material. The oil is picked up at the still in Laos and hand carried back to the

    USA. Real premium grade Lao Oud is a moderately viscous yellowish oil with an intense aroma and unmistakable

    psychoactive effects. There is also a CO2 (supercritical extraction) form that has a deeper aroma, it is a molasses

    like oil that hardens at slightly below room temperature. There is, be warned, much contaminated and stepped on Lao

    Oud, and some of this sold at ludicrously inflated prices to naive buyers. Some of these types advertise on the

    internet too.
    There are three major grades of the steam distilled yellow oil, in my opinion only the superior

    grade is worth the trouble and it runs about 30-35 dollars a gram, probably more with the weak dollar. Be very

    suspicious of a product that shows any sign of separation, for instance if the bottle looks like it is part one

    thing, such as a clear oil or wax, and part something else, you're getting adulterated Lao.
    To repeat, the Lao

    Oud market is infested with scammers and hucksters. Only deal with businesses that make Lao Oud a substantial part

    of their catalog. If your supplier gets blustery or defensive or makes a big show of their superior knowledge if you

    question the product, you're probably dealing with one of the multitudes of bullshitters out there.
    Or

    any other, for that matter. The best in the world is distilled in India by the royal family's distillery.
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    Is Oud an aphrodisiac for

    both genders?

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    Aside from the site

    Belgareth already posted, where can one buy the reliably best quality oud? Any recommendations?
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InACharmedLife
    Is Oud an

    aphrodisiac for both genders?
    It mellows Belgareth and he becomes more receptive. He is sometimes an

    overly active person and it slows him down some. I do not know that it is an aphrodisiac to him or me. The scent is

    very sensual on him.

    There are many good places he found while searching for information. You must be careful

    who you deal with but the internet is a good place to hunt.

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    [QUOTE=surfs_up]Real

    premium grade Lao Oud is a moderately viscous yellowish oil with an intense aroma and unmistakable psychoactive

    effects.


    SurfsUp, what exactly ARE the unmistakable psychoactive effects?

    Also, where would you suggest

    that one could buy real premium grade Lao Oud?

    Thanks.

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    Wink brain droppings...

    for steam

    distilled Laotian Lao, your best source is a store in New York City called Enfleurage. They have a webstore too. The

    owner has a close relationship with the distillers. My understanding is that she picks it up at the still and it

    never leaves her possession. Once the product passes through sales channels, particualrly dealing with newbies, it

    is easy to adulterate, and you can be sure it is. She's kind of a cool babe too.

    Eden Botanicals sells a

    nice C02, it reminds me of a cross between a pine forest floor and maple suryp with some other undefinable thing

    going on...

    You could hit a nice balance by mixing C02 from Eden with steam distilled from

    Enfleurage.

    This is good quality Lao... the $500 a tola business is more like a vintage year wine from some

    incredibly deep Aquilaria wood... I've heard of mind blowing prices for the absolute best, such as $50,000 for a

    not so big bottle of it....

    The psycoactive effect is in the dissociative family, it reminds me rather more

    of Salvia Divinorum which has an affinity for opoid receptors... mellowing, moderately codeine like, contemplative,

    sexy... larger quantities can make you sweat copiously....

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    Remember that Aloeswood comes

    from many places beside Laos, which is a small country.
    India, Vietnam, Papau, Malaysia, Cambodia, Indonisia,

    Borneo and Burma to name a few. The Laotian is nice, so is the Malaysian. I'll be able to tell you more about

    indonisian oil in a few days.

    Surfsup is right to advise you to be careful about who you deal with, the same as

    you would in buying any other exotic product. But there are many reputable dealers out there who sell high quality

    Oud from many nations. I only mentioned Oriscent because they are a distiller and have an outstanding reputation for

    quality and purity.

    Actually, the $500 a tola is a stock item from an Indian distiller.

    I have done some

    reading on the subject. If I can manage to get away from the business I am planning a trip to Asia this year and

    intend to come back with some first hand knowledge. If you would like to learn more about aloeswood, here are some

    good links. The last one is one of the largest Laotian wholesalers and is an excellent resource if you prefer to go

    straight to the source whenever possible:



    http://www.aloeswood.net/
    http://www.scentsofearth.com/Kodo/Rikkoku.htm
    http://www.olle

    r.net/aloes_desc.htm

    http://www.scentsofearth.com/Kodo

    /Aloeswood.htm

    http://www.worldwi

    ldlife.org/expeditions/newguinea/notes_garahu1.cfm

    http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200006/the.hidden.history.of.scented.wood.htm


    http://www.magiensunivers.dk/herbal

    hints/monographs/aloeswood.asp

    http://www.traffic.org/news/agarwo

    od

    http://forestpathology.

    coafes.umn.edu/Agarwood%20research%20in%20Bhutan.htm

    http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=135
    http://www.xaiudom

    .laopdr.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57

    How did

    you mix it with NPA/SOE (premix or separate)?
    Mobley,

    Sorry, I seem to have overlooked your

    question. I applied them on my forearm, NPA or SoE and rub my arms together. Then Oud over it the same way. My

    thought was that the heavy oil of the Oud would slow down dispersal of the NPA. Don't know if it worked or not.
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    Why is there such a

    difference between the price of oud at Enfleurage (seeimingly their best quality oud) and the highest quality oud at

    oriscent?
    To reap the most benefot from oud's psychoactive effects, including it's effect as an aphrodisiac,

    what degree of quality (or type) of oud is best?
    Thanks.

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    Different products, degree of

    rarity and probably a hundred other factors play into pricing of Oud or any other product. Or maybe it's just the

    standard business philosophy of whatever the market will bear. I can't speak for the Oriscent products other than

    what I have already said above. But people pay those prices, people who know a lot more than I do about it. Their

    reputation as both a distiller and distributor is impeccable and that carries a lot of weight with me. I know that

    Oriscent is an India based company and that's where the most experienced, sophisticated distillers of Oud are

    supposed to be.

    You also should keep in mind that the retailer in New York is selling in a country where

    Aloeswood is not well known and many of these companies are based in and selling in a place where it is much more

    common. Knowledge may make all the difference.

    They only other thing I can suggest is that you follow those

    links I posted and learn more yourself.
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    I've had Oriscent recommended

    to me before on a perfume board I belong to - so that's two recs!
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    Default There's an ancient ritualistic thing about it

    probably many of the ritual nuances would be lost on someone who hasn't spent a lifetime in an incense

    culture... ultimately you have to decide what you want from the experience. I was combining fragrances from Santa

    Maria Novella and Lorenzo Villoresi, added in a shot of Lao Oud and some concentrated androstenone, which also has

    an interesting perfumery use as well as a pheromone, it can add an authoritative musky punch to the mix...anyway,

    this combination was unusual to say the least... totally masculine in way that other male fragrances rather paled

    next to, although it was only a bit Lao Oud.... Lao and Patchouli seem to work out nicely together...

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfs_up
    totally

    masculine in way that other male fragrances rather paled next to,
    Very true from a woman's perspective.



    Silksand:

    Get some for your husband to wear. You will love it on him. Belgareth found the first he bought on

    e-bay. It is a good way to try it in small amounts.

    He is in the shower right now and I am going to make him put

    some on before we go to dinner. I have plans for tonight!

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    Hi, wood elf! I'd love to

    smell it on him, but it would have to be *his* idea. He has yet to even open any of the L-S trial packets I gave him

    - he doesn't wear scent ever...


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    Recieved my third bottle of

    Aloeswood oil today. Now I have it from Laos, Malaysia and Indonesia and have a bottle of Indian on order. Of the

    three I like the Indonesian scent the best. The Laotian is a woody, leathery smell. Malaysian is less leather and a

    smell that makes me think of green, growing things in the deep forests. The Indonesian has the strong woody, leather

    smell overlaid by an almost peppery scent. I'm simplifying because I am not knowledgable about scents, each is a

    complex scent that is beyond me to describe.

    I want to experiment some more but am becoming convinced that

    aloeswood has both strong psychoactive properties and is a true aphrodisiac. It combines very well with a couple

    dabs of NPA for some really strong effects on the people around me.

    Ok, Mobley. I'll pass results along in

    time. I want to be sure of my results first.
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    Belgareth, could women

    wear these ouds? Or, are they too masculine in scent?
    Also, would you suppose that the aphrodisiac effects of oud

    will work on both genders...would men be attracted to the scent of oud? It seems you've discovered that women are

    certainly attracted to it. I wondered if it had the same one-gender affect of patchouli, which tends to attract

    women but not men.
    Thanks for your thoughts!

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    Oud is a very masculine scent.

    I can't imagine it on a woman unless it was mixed with something to mellow it. DST suggested trying it in rose oil

    and I can ask Wood Elf to try it.

    It has a mellowing, calming effect on me. I am more relaxed while wearing them

    but I wouldn't say it is an aphrosisiac for me. But keep in mind that individual differences may make it one for

    some men.
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    Well, Bel, after reading about

    your enthusiasm for aloeswood, nothing would do but for me to experience it. Now not wanting to go overboard on the

    first venture I decided I'd pick up a sample from Eden Botanicals, where it only cost $2 to experience the scent.



    I enjoyed it, a lot, and am now searching for a higher quality. Eden's comes from cultivated India trees and by

    their own admission is not high grade, but affordable. Who did you get your Indonesian from?

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