Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by cibasi
Pheromones wont help you get ANYWHERE if you sit in a corner and pout about it.
Pheromones enhance peoples
reactions to you, but if you dont do anything there will be nothing to enhance.
But they forgot to tell you what's the probability in their so called possible. 0.0001 of
chance is also possible to happen.
Pheromones wont help you get ANYWHERE if you sit in a corner and pout about it.
Pheromones enhance peoples
reactions to you, but if you dont do anything there will be nothing to enhance.
actualy...when the results are
obvious...like...not stinking...it's pretty easy to market.When the promise is that an expensive product WILL cause
women to fall at your feet and beg to be the mothers of your children...and it doesnt work,then people tend to kinda
give up.Why spend alot of money on something that didnt match the hype?
There is something else ... When I wear
pheromones I'm in a very good mood, si myself I become more talkative. I think the pheromones are acting on myself
like on it acts on the other ppl that are around me. So when you said " if you dont do anything there will be
nothing to enhance" it is true but in the same time if you wearing 'mones you will never stay and do anything.
I had another intresting situation, I was wearing AE and I saw 2 girls at the university. They were calm. Talking
a little, but not to much. They were waiting for someone I think. I was far enough from them. But, when I aproched
and passed near the place thay was stayng after 1 min. they started to talk alot and laugh and so on. Not with me,
but between them.
And by the way, I'm wearing 'mones for less a week. So I think it realy works. What
concerns me is how will I behave without 'mones. I dont want to do that all my live. I hope that pheromones will
change my social behavior, I will become more talkative, mor friendly, and it will remain like by inerty even after
I will not wear them anymore. I dont wanna become dependent of them. Also, I hope the 'mones does not create
psychological or phisical dependance
So I must be the only one that’s got
a year’s worth of pheromones stashed away, just in case.
I agree with a lot of what seduceme writes
and I think the potential for creating dependency is greater than a simple need for validation.
It takes
about a week for hits to lose their charm. Then you want to score. After that you want to score with more, and more
beautiful/rich/smart/artsy, women. This’ll satisfy you for quite a while, but then you want to get them to play out
all your kinky fantasies. After a while you figure, “If people are this easy, why stop at sex?”
So you get
your neighbors to baby-sit your cat, talk some guy into “helping you” change your transmission... free coffee, bar
shots, movie tickets, promotional cd’s... Everybody's got something to offer. Why not take it?
Or maybe you
think you’re going to use pheromones to find that special someone and then forget about it. But one night she’s
overworked and just wants to chill out in front of the tube. So you pull out your favorite None product. Or maybe
you messed up and nothing you say will cool her temper. So you pull out your trusty bottle of A1...
I
guess my point is, pheromones are power and how many people can say, “OK. I’ll just use a little bit of this power
to get my legitimate needs met and then I’ll back off.”
Give truth a chance.
Sheesh, I wish they were really
that dad burn powerful!
Sure they give me a little more power in my interactions. Maybe a little more "edgy"
confidence too (I'm normally fairly self-assured anyway). But, yeah, I equate pheromone power to a new designer
shirt or nice hairdoo. You still have to do the grunt work: be engaging, make witty conversation, inspire confidence
and trust, see a project through, etc. The 'mones ain't gonna do nothin' but help get their attention, certainly
making your job easier. You still got to have your moves down to be successful. I apply 'mones, forget about them,
walk out the door and do my best. At the end of the day I earned my rewards or lumps just like everyone else.
'Mones ain't a magic pill or free lunch.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Yes, you are wrong in that assumption.
I am late to this dance, but, in my situation, I'm 33 yo, married, with 3 kids. Does it sound like I'm
"unsuccessful with women"?
Based on terminology in your other posts, you are an ASF'er, and probably a
self-described PUA. I'm sure you'd agree, you're not unsuccessful with women - yet YOU'RE here too, aren't
you?
Being an active poster on both boards, I can tell you that most of the participants on love-scent are
actually very diverse, well-rounded, and successful people. They range from high-school virgins to 50+ divorcees,
(and probably some older), and everything in between.
I've also found the quality and intelligence of posts
here to be generally higher than that of ASF. ASF is mostly 18-22 year olds who want to memorize 50 openers, 50
patterns, and 50 *closes, and call it "game", and whenever someone asks a question outside of that, they get a
kneejerk response of "GFTOW". To be sure, there are still some gems over there, but here's a critical difference -
Love-scent doesn't discount "game" or seduction techniques. In fact, most here will be the first to tell you that,
without any social skills, 'mones won't help. ASF, on the other hand, actually *forbids* discussion of pheromones
in it's posting guidelines.
In addition, as has been stated before on this thread, and I will be the first to
agree - 'mones do FAR more than "get you laid". Yes, my original intention/profile was to "spice things up with
the wife", and they HAVE done that, though not on a consistent basis. But, if you search my posts, you can find
some reports where 'mones have not only helped, they've made the difference. LTR or not, there's a difference
between being "Alpha" and being a jerk. Since I've started using 'mones, there's been times when my wife has
been completlely supplicant, out of character, and amorous, in spite of my "jerk" behavior.
I have also had
some BLATANT reactions from women while wearing 'mones. I know you're an experienced PUA, but I think it takes a
couple of months to learn to recognize a true 'mone hit, regardless of your experience level. A 'mone hit is,
somehow "different" than those DHV hits you're getting with ASF techniques. It's almost like a "second look",
then a temporary stop, almost as if she's experiencing deja vu, but that's not quite it - and then will come,
whatever the reaction is. Sometimes, that "second look" moment stretches out, and turns into a DIHL. As a PUA, you
should surely know how to take advantage of that - pattern, trance words, kino.
In addition, 'mones can improve
your interactions in non-PU situations. I can't "kino" my boss. I can't use sexy eye contact with him. But, I
can assure you, I can get away with a HELL of a lot more pushback wearing Chikara or TE with him, than without.
They can also help to lower approach barriers, and shrink personal space. Or, alternatively, they can do the
reverse.
Here's two examples, just from this week: One, I went to an after-hours meeting at a hotel for a club
I'm in. Chikara/SOE combo. No reactions inside the club, I got bored, went walkin' around. *Major* IOI's from
chicks all over the place, smiles, EC, etc., in spite of no effort or "game" on my part. I even wound up doing a
"practice sarge" on one later in the evening, where the conversation started off with her being totally bitchy and
calling me a "cheater", (I was flirting, yes, but her comment was out of line), but I was having fun - just
maintained state, reframed her, and by the end of the convo she was laughing, giving me kino, and complimenting me
on my outfit. Part of what kept her talking was the SOE - I'm sure of this, because I've experienced the
difference before, and so now know how to recognize it.
Next day, we had a job interview, with a guy who's
supposed to be my new boss. Well, I didn't want him hired, but upper management doesn't care what I want. So, I
did one full spray + 4 dabs TE, went into the interview, and AMOG'ed the crap out of him. I was trying to get him
into a mistake, and I did. He wound up, at one point, showing us a letter of reprimand from his last position. In
my "feedback" session, I let this slip (oops!) and the response was "that's pretty poor judgement...." Looks like
he won't get the job. So sad, too bad, stand by.
So no, it's not all "desperate guys looking to get laid".
There's a LOT more to it than that.
Is that sort of a scheduled event...like the way sea turtles migrate every so often toI wasn't old enough to
appreciate the 60's, but thoroughly enjoyed the 70's, 80's, and 90's except for times when I was married (once
per decade).
JVK
thier mating grounds?
No it doesnt, nor does it sound like youre most
guys, now does it? Just because you subjectively dont fall into my percieved category doesnt mean you can take a
step back, try to examine the terms objectively and come to a conclusion.
Youre the one putting a label on me,Based on terminology in
your other posts, you are an ASF'er, and probably a self-described PUA. I'm sure you'd agree, you're not
unsuccessful with women - yet YOU'RE here too, aren't you?
for me there are not labels, no rules,no restrictions, i'll get more to the point in a moment. Yes im here, what
are you implying?
Yes, active posters on love-scent, so how many of love-scents or pheromone-in-general customers postBeing an active poster on both boards, I can tell you that most of the
participants on love-scent are actually very diverse, well-rounded, and successful people. They range from
high-school virgins to 50+ divorcees, (and probably some older), and everything in between.
on love-scent's forum? Just because you've observed the percentage of people who do and drawn conclusions about
who they are doesnt really make for a sound judgement call of who the avg. customer is and what his/her intentions
are.
What were you asking again, why im still 'here'?I've also found the quality and intelligence of posts here to be generally higher than that
of ASF. ASF is mostly 18-22 year olds who want to memorize 50 openers, 50 patterns, and 50 *closes, and call it
"game", and whenever someone asks a question outside of that, they get a kneejerk response of "GFTOW". To be sure,
there are still some gems over there, but here's a critical difference - Love-scent doesn't discount "game" or
seduction techniques. In fact, most here will be the first to tell you that, without any social skills, 'mones
won't help. ASF, on the other hand, actually *forbids* discussion of pheromones in it's posting
guidelines.
I've also noticed this, along with theIn addition,
as has been stated before on this thread, and I will be the first to agree - 'mones do FAR more than "get you
laid". Yes, my original intention/profile was to "spice things up with the wife", and they HAVE done that, though
not on a consistent basis. But, if you search my posts, you can find some reports where 'mones have not only
helped, they've made the difference. LTR or not, there's a difference between being "Alpha" and being a jerk.
Since I've started using 'mones, there's been times when my wife has been completlely supplicant, out of
character, and amorous, in spite of my "jerk" behavior.
supplicational behavior, the boss being more respectful etc etc.
This is almostI have also had some BLATANT
reactions from women while wearing 'mones. I know you're an experienced PUA, but I think it takes a couple of
months to learn to recognize a true 'mone hit, regardless of your experience level. A 'mone hit is, somehow
"different" than those DHV hits you're getting with ASF techniques. It's almost like a "second look", then a
temporary stop, almost as if she's experiencing deja vu, but that's not quite it - and then will come, whatever
the reaction is. Sometimes, that "second look" moment stretches out, and turns into a DIHL. As a PUA, you should
surely know how to take advantage of that - pattern, trance words, kino.
insulting, im a natural, no patterns no trancewords buddy
Agreed, but once again I wasnt talking about YOUIn addition, 'mones can improve
your interactions in non-PU situations. I can't "kino" my boss. I can't use sexy eye contact with him. But, I
can assure you, I can get away with a HELL of a lot more pushback wearing Chikara or TE with him, than without.
They can also help to lower approach barriers, and shrink personal space. Or, alternatively, they can do the
reverse.
Here's two examples, just from this week: One, I went to an after-hours meeting at a hotel for a
club I'm in. Chikara/SOE combo. No reactions inside the club, I got bored, went walkin' around. *Major* IOI's
from chicks all over the place, smiles, EC, etc., in spite of no effort or "game" on my part. I even wound up doing
a "practice sarge" on one later in the evening, where the conversation started off with her being totally bitchy and
calling me a "cheater", (I was flirting, yes, but her comment was out of line), but I was having fun - just
maintained state, reframed her, and by the end of the convo she was laughing, giving me kino, and complimenting me
on my outfit. Part of what kept her talking was the SOE - I'm sure of this, because I've experienced the
difference before, and so now know how to recognize it.
Next day, we had a job interview, with a guy who's
supposed to be my new boss. Well, I didn't want him hired, but upper management doesn't care what I want. So, I
did one full spray + 4 dabs TE, went into the interview, and AMOG'ed the crap out of him. I was trying to get him
into a mistake, and I did. He wound up, at one point, showing us a letter of reprimand from his last position. In
my "feedback" session, I let this slip (oops!) and the response was "that's pretty poor judgement...." Looks like
he won't get the job. So sad, too bad, stand by.
So no, it's not all "desperate guys looking to get
laid". There's a LOT more to it than that.
specifically, I was talking about the general average pheromone customer, PERIOD. If you choose to take the
defensive stand because youve observed a handful of the customers post on a webboard and draw conclusions and
assumptions of who they are and what their intentions are , then go ahead. Youre still arguing against a strawman
This is kind of an old thread I
posted to several weeks ago, so I don't remember all the arguments, or the reasoning for my arguments. The upshot
is, it seems like you were seeking clarification on some parts of my response. Basically, my response was directed
to your statement that most guys who "come here" are looking for a miracle, and are unsuccessful with women. "Guys
who come here", doesn't really clarify whether you originally meant *customers* of lovescent, or *posters* on this
board. Either way, I think it's a pretty semantic point. As to whether people who post on this board are
representative of the typical "love scent" customer, I would let the owner or mods speak to that, I have no idea.
So then, I suppose I was making the assumption you meant the typical poster to the board. I'm not an old hand,
but I think I've been here long enough to know the general character of the typical poster here, and that is what I
was speaking to in my post. Specifically, what I was trying to get across is that I do not think that the typical
poster here is "unsuccessful with women". On the contrary, I think that the typical poster, both here, as well as
on ASF (they do tend to attract similar personalites, IMO), are probably actually MORE successful on average with
women, rather than less. If for no other reason than that, they seem to pay more attention to the subject of dating
& mating than the average person - hence, why they are here (or there).
I think the typical lovescent/ASF
poster is what Ross Jeffries so brilliantly described as an "edge junkie". I know that I, for one, fit this
description perfectly. I'm ALWAYS looking for the next tweak, the new edge, the way to get the leg up on the
competition, no matter the field of endeavor. For instance, just today, I've started on something called a "cyclic
ketogenic diet" that involves me basically starving myself and engaging in vomit-inducing workouts the first half of
the week, and then engaging in ridiculous 6000+ caloried "carb loading" combined with absurdly high weight, high
intensity workouts the second half of the week, all in the name of lower body fat. Could I probably cut the fat
with a slower, more sane method? Yeah, but for me, it's not good enough. Nothing ever is.
Understand, I
don't say this like it's a good thing, it's not. At some point, "edge junkies" tend to experience diminishing
returns. Plus, it's kind of a sickness - I just can't ever leave well enough alone, in ANYTHING, no matter what
that thing is. This drives most people I know crazy, they describe me as "too intense", which is probably both
circularly causal, as well as symptomatic of my CEE, which is what I'm here on lovescent to mitigate, which brings
us full circle.
Am I "typical", then? God, I hope not. Nothing makes my spine crawl more than the thought of
being ordinary. I would rather, as I believe Theodore Roosevelt said, "at best, in the end, know the triumphs of
high achievement - but if worse, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be
amongst those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." That belief is so ingrained, I actually
found a way to work it into my WEDDING VOWS(still can't believe I did that - but it sure did set the tone
for the in laws, LOL....)
So no, you're right, I can't for sure say what makes the average
lovescent/customer/board poster/ASF'er tick, I can only talk about me, and assume that we have something in common,
as we're all posting here, and using 'mone products. But to posit that I'm arguing against a strawman, seems to
me a little disingenuous, when I was posting in response to a comment that included "most guys" that come here.
That almost demands a strawman-type response, through it's inherent generalization - not sure how I could have made
a response otherwise. Except to say that I can't speak for everyone, only me - so maybe I should ultimately
clarify my original answer to your question, "am I wrong in that assumption", my answer will be "I don't know if
you're wrong in that assumption in general, but I do not believe it applies to my specific situation". Hope this
provides the clarification you are seeking.
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