Reply With QuoteI did a web search on B2UP
and found nothing. However, I am going to be in Thailand next week and am wondering if anyone wants some - i'll be
glad to look for it while there!!!
bigger titties only a chew away!!!
from the BBC news service:
"Chewing gum can 'enhance breasts'
Pueraria mirifica is full of
active chemicals
A chewing gum which the makers say can help enhance the size, shape and tone of the breasts has
proved to be a big hit in Japan.
B2Up says its Bust-Up gum, when chewed three or four times a day, can also help
improve circulation, reduce stress and fight ageing.
The gum works by slowly releasing compounds contained
in an extract from a plant called Pueraria mirifica.
In theory, this helps to keep the muscle tissue in good
order.
Pueraria mirifica, also known as Kwao Krua, is a species found in Thailand and Burma.
It has
long been used by indigenous hill tribe people as a traditional medicine.
The plant's underground tubers
contain a number of chemicals called phytoestrogens - natural compounds which mimic the effects of the female sex
hormone oestrogen.
These include miroestrol and deoxymiroestrol, which are believed to exert a particularly
strong effect, as they are very close in chemical structure to oestradiol, the main human oestrogen.
B2Up
says that it is the effect of these two chemicals, coupled with a third phytooestrogen isoflavone, which makes its
gum so effective.
It cites tests carried out by Thailand's Chulalongkorn University which found Pueraria
mirifica therapy was able to enhance breast size by 80%.
Further tests carried out in England found that the
plant had a beneficial effect on the skin, and hair, as well as the breasts.
The company also markets
different Pueraria products, including pills, and tea.
The gum, which comes in rose flavour, has proved so
popular that there are plans to start selling it in convenience stores.
Scepticism
Claire
Williamson, of the British Nutrition Foundation, said research had suggested phytoestrogens may be beneficial in
post-menopausal women in terms of reducing menopausal symptoms, and may also have beneficial effects on risk factors
for heart disease and osteoporosis.
A role in breast cancer has also been suggested.
But she said
research had suggested that isoflavone supplements are not as effective in managing menopausal symptoms as
isoflavone rich foods such as soya.
Furthermore, consumption of isoflavones may need to be life-long in
order to have beneficial effects on postmenopausal symptoms.
"So there is clear evidence of the potential
health benefits of consuming isoflavone-rich foods such as soya, however consumption in the form of a gum has not
been extensively studied and such products may be simply another food gimmick."
I wonder what this stuff does
to men?
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
none
I did a web search on B2UP
and found nothing. However, I am going to be in Thailand next week and am wondering if anyone wants some - i'll be
glad to look for it while there!!!
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
Geez! The way things are going,
you're gonna have to pay to see some REAL breasteses in a couple of years!
The small group of
naturals will probably profit well from it!Playboy, Penteehouse, etc. etc. in their next issue ........
"Wanna see what they look like real? Get next month's issue." Sold out a month in advance!!!
Who want's gum!?
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Damn! I don't even like gum.
Juicy Fruit or Big Red-tasting
nipples could work!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Her's taste just fine and are
plenty large enough.
Why is no woman satisfied with her breasts?
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Why do most men want a bigger
penis? It's all a matter of self-image.
Their self image or the propaganda shoved at usOriginally Posted by Pancho1188
about society's expectation? Do all women have to be built like Barbie or be thin as twigs? That self image?
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Everybody has things about their
appearance (whether satisified and comfortable with oneself) that they would like to alter.
This desire to
change is needless to say usually alligned with the images of 'perfection' that are constantly re-enforced through
all forms of media etc.
Sad fact here is that no matter how many times a person explains to the individual
wishing to alter parts of their bodies how it makes no difference and would not in fact enhance their apprearance -
the individual in question still views themself with their own eyes and envisions themselves as improved and closer
to being 'complete' - as if this in some way will solve any other problems that they currently have (or at least
provide the diving-board from which the rest of their life will be simpler)
Since we're on the subject (though
this is now somewhat off original topic) this constant drive for self perfection (not improvement - that is another
entity entirely) and massive financial success and security is something of a quest for immortality. I mean to say
not in any "fountain of youth" or "rememberance of achievement" manner, but instead in a manner closer to some form
of self-delusion. In a world where most of us (those who are able to post on this board - therefor likely to be in a
part of the more developed world) are in a postition where basic human needs such as food, shelter and the rest are
not so much the be all and end all of our existence, but merely another manner by which we show and validate our
success and position in the world, our hopes and ultimate dreams seem to fade to the mere act of 'acquisition',
with some final vision of ourselves at the end. Without a real connection to ancestry and lineage, we seem to assume
that at the end of our struggle towards success and the becoming of our very own ubermeinsch that we will be able in
some way to achieve this then remain in stasis. This is a remnant of a people whom came into existance upon a stage
where a christian myth colours and influences our entire belief and action syste,: made even worse by the current
shifting-away from those traditions and values; which although perhaps even if no one subscribed to, can not be
avoided as the stage upon which this consciousness formulates and cognates.
What does this have to do with
immortality? I'm getting to that.
These remainers from a christian tradition (though destroyed over the years
by world wars and the rest of Western Philosophy and Literature moving towards their rejection {amongst other
things}) have left the human in a dilemma regarding many aspects of life - not least being the problem of death.
Christianity promised an aferlife - a heaven. Where one was rewarded for actions performed upon God's 'Testing
Ground'. Rejection of this leads an individual to question other manners of post-death existence: reincarnation,
etc etc etc, but still coloured by the mindset that melted their religious beliefs, it becomes near impossible to
give autonomy to yet another 'mystic or spiritual' belief without some form of proof (the main problem with
Faith-Based worship)
So, doing what humans do best, we put these thoughts out of our minds and rejoin our
'race'. I could list a page of people that I have known that have achieved huge riches through various means -
thus, with other factors, 'perfect' their lives. In sunconsciously creating a supposed heaven upon earth within
their lives, they merely formuate a form of purgatory. In private conversations with me they tell me of how hollow
they feel. The same pains resurface. At this point, they realise that they cannot stop the march of time, and their
actions have not led to their immortality. They regret much of their lives, and wish that they had it to live again
on different terms - with this knowledge:
Finacial security and such are one thing, but riches are
useless.
Comfort is the key - everything in moderation.
When all of your wishes are granted, many of your
dreams will be destroyed. (satisfaction is the death of desire etc etc)
This is why the rich drive to get
richer. Once we have achieved what we assume to be our 'goal' in life, we find that we are bored, and it has not
changed you into the person that you assumed that it would.
Humans require purpose.
So, to return to the
point, breast implants? NO!
Ok. Hope someone got through that whole thing.
I'm tired and using the computer
to ignore my hangover.
Steve
P.S. Spot however many christian allusion I have used (in some way, kinda
reinforcing my point) and WIN A PRIZE!
"...and from that egg, hatched a stone monkey!" (Newton)
Bring it on. I'll invent dreams if I have
to.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
I'm not all about looking for
religious references, but I'm all about psychological. You refer to Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. Most people in
this society have biological and safety needs met (e.g. food, clothing, shelter), so everyone instantly moves to the
belonging and self-esteem stages. Thus, need for approval from others and the self is on everyone's minds 24/7. Do
you think homeless people care about the sizes of their members? I don't think so.
-I'm not going to give you
money! You're just going to spend it on alcohol!
-Actually, I'm looking into Enzyte, the natural male
enhancement.
The reason why most people worry about these things is because other things are already taken care
of. I find it sort of ironic, however, that the hierarchy and popular belief kind of create a catch-22: "For others
to love you, you must love yourself," and
"Biological->Safety->Belonging->Self-Esteem->Self-Actualization"...in other words, you must be loved by
others before you can truly love yourself.
My point? You get the perfect breasts, everybody loves you, and you
feel like the greatest person in the world (think "Extreme Makeover" where they go from ugly with low self-esteem to
attractive and on top of the world --- note: this doesn't reflect my personal opinion on that whole thing). That's
a fallacy, but many people buy into the illusion. The lines blur. "After all, Pancho, are you not a hypocrite for
going to the gym every day to look attractive and yet saying I'm stupid for trying to improve my penis/breast
size?" You could argue that it's the same thing, but I don't believe it is. Rationalize it however you want.
As for society's pressure, this is true. I remember a documentary of this tribe (I'm guessing it was Africa)
where the men wore penis gourds, which are huge sticks that extend from the genital region. The man in the
documentary actually said, "The differences in the size or the shape of the penis gourds have no significance,"
because he knew what people in our society were thinking. No one in that tribe cared, though. Yes, fertility is
worshipped in most tribes, and men do like to flaunt the fact that they have penises, but nobody really cares about
the size or shape, just like women with the saggy breasts from years of not wearing a bra care about their breast
size.
Attractiveness, penis/breast size, and money (all things peopel strive for) don't control happiness as
shown by psychological studies. How you perceive the world and how you feel about yourself and your life does
control your happiness, however.
Last edited by Pancho1188; 03-19-2005 at 02:23 PM.
'Cause the
need/desire to be desired/found attractive has become fashion.?
Pancho, fer true, me no want no
big'emer penis. Me want penis become hard like bolder forever!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
The point I am trying to make
you both make for me very well. It is all an illusion we subscribe too, and to what gain?
This conversation
really started in Holmes' post about happiness. The question is why we subscribe to it in the first place? Pancho
tried to explain it above but we are not primitives or I at least hope some of us have grown beyond that.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
I do not believe I described anything as primitive. I was
using an example of how people's desires differ based on culture and step on the hierarchy. I would argue its
relevance because, being on a pheromone site, we are admitting that knowledge, science, and technology still
occasionally step aside to the power of human instinct.
I explained above why we care about it so much in this
society, so I'll try to explain in this post why we subscribe to this fallacy.
There are two things we can
'blame' for this obsession: the usual suspects (e.g. the media, peer pressure, prejudice, cultural norms and
values) and the other explanation that nobody likes to hear - the inherent perception of the human mind.
We all
know the case against the media. If you look in any magazine, TV show, movie, or newspaper, you will find pretty
people. Every advertisement uses pretty faces to get you to buy something, and every entertainment event uses pretty
faces to get you to watch it. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. How many ugly 'Reality TV' stars do you see?
If that's reality, we're all a bunch of pretty people obsessed with sex and doing crazy things. It's not reality.
It's the reality that everyone wants to watch. Even 'Average Joe' had a pretty girl, and even Elana admitted that
the guys, although not 9s and 10s, were still above average in looks compared to the general population. The media
tells us that that's how we have to look for people to care about you, and if they don't do it directly, it's
persuasion by example (by always having pretty people on magazines). Everyone else thinks that this is what their
perfect partner will look like, so they have increased expectations, forcing everyone to try to become that so not
to disappoint. It's a wicked game and a spiral of shallowness that doesn't have a good outcome. Let's not forget
the insults and cruelty that people face by horrible people because of their looks, weight, or imperfections. It can
scar people for life.
Now, onto the second part. We are psychologically predisposed to believe that attractive
people are better than everyone else. Every psychological study ever done on the topic has shown that the population
perceives attractive people to be smarter, more athletic, happier, nicer, healthier, more qualified for a job...the
list goes on and on. It is viewed that being a more attractive person actually makes you a better person.
The
good news is that every psychological study on the subject also says that none of that is true. Attractive people
are no happier than less attractive people, and there is no indication that they are better at anything than anyone
else...except perceived level of attractiveness.
This is what brings me to my favorite question: If you are
innocent of a crime and everyone thinks you're guilty, does it really matter that you're innocent? To apply this
to the topic, if everyone on earth perceives attractive people to be better, does it matter if they aren't? If
something is true but noone believes it, does it really matter? Really? The socially acceptable answer is to say,
"Yes, of course it matters," but does it? Can everyone say, "Yes," but be strong enough not to try to change
themselves to fit everyone else's perception of what is better? Most people don't have the self-confidence and
willpower to do that. That, my friend, is why people subscribe to the believe that bigger breasts, a bigger dick, or
whatever else will make them better people...because most people believe it in deep, dark places nobody likes to
talk about. The bias is there. It's inherent. Whether it's a symmetrical face, the universal factor in
attractiveness, or cultural beliefs of what is attractive (e.g. large breasts), it changes people's perception. It
may be wrong, but it's there. Anyone who doubts themselves or questions their worth will succumb to the
implications of the fallacy. Only the strong survive.
Mixing these two factors causes a strong force that is
hard to resist. The happiest people ignore all of this and live their lives the way they want to live them.
I think it's all a matter of
selfishness. The more attractive you appear to others the easier it becomes to get the biggest piece of pie at
dessert time.
Sad but true.
But it sure does sting when they are.there is no
indication that they are better at anything than anyone else...
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
But it sure
does sting when they are.No kidding!
I almost forgot about this, but I have a recent
personal experience with perception (the concept, not the -mone). I was talking to someone I run with on Saturdays
who was taller than me. Now, I have the notion that I will always be younger and skinnier than everyone around me.
It's the way it has always been. I was the second or third youngest person in my class growing up, and it got worse
in college when I graduated after 3 1/2 years with people over a year older than me. I used to always be
small---short and skinny. I'll never forget the first day my bias was challenged when I was playing football and
said that someone caught the ball because he had a height advantage: "...but you guys are the same height." Granted,
I hunched over a lot at the time due to lower self-confidence and being used to people towering over me, but then it
hit me: "Hey, I am pretty tall now." My assumed youth hasn't been challenged yet because I am still around people
who are older than I am. Even on this forum, most call me a youngin' despite my veteran posting status.
However, just today my assumption that I am the skinniest guy around me was challenged by a 6'3" person who
weighed just over 150 lbs. I'm at 170 lbs., so I just was shocked. "What? Someone thinner than I am? What? What are
you talking about?" I looked at him and couldn't believe it. I still don't get it. Maybe I have reverse-anorexia
(just kidding), but I just can't see myself as being anything but the thinnest person around me. I will always have
a drive inside that makes me desire to be bigger and more muscular.
...and there you have it: my personal
experience with perception and self-image. That said, I am one ripped mofo!
I've seen this situation at work for the last year or so. A
woman was hired for a specific task. At first glance, she's kind of a Catherine Zeta-Jones type but under close
scrutiny, she's a little skanky.
Being bethrothed to an officer that was stationed here, she's in the same
social circles that the Commander and second in command are in. She is constantly circumventing security and
procurement processes to get her way. When she runs into opposition, she runs right to the top to
complain.
Even though several people saw through her upon her arrival and warned us about her, I gave her the
benefit of the doubt for the longest time, mainly because she's the type that I have an attraction to. A little
shorter than me in height and posessing long black hair. Again, think Zeta-Jones at a distance. In addition to her
social standing, I think a lot of the leeway the higher ups are giving her is her appearance, just as I did at
first.
Interestingly, her circumventing the process is catching up to her in several aspects, but I predict
that she will still come out on top as her project is an important one for the future of the base.
Never said you did. I used the word.
Uh huh, that's
where I was pointing in the first place. You've used a lot of words to say that we need to live our lives without
all the concern about how others think of us.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
True, true. Sorry
for the misunderstanding.
When have I not used a lot of words?
That said, I like to be thorough
because so many people throw around cliches for so long that nobody remembers why they're said in the first
place.
The same often happens with too
many words.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
And here you have it from David
Letterman:
Top Ten Slogans For The Breast
Enlargement Gum
10. Puttin' the "yum" in Bubble Yum.
9. Go to the store and check
out our rack.
8. Recommended by five out of five dentists.
7. Triple D-Licious.
6.
Some Bazooka for your Bazookas.
5. Makes you feel minty and slutty!
4. Get a
mouthful.
3. Bursting with flavor and bursting out of your shirt!
2. Double your pleasure,
double your fun.
1. Talk about your juicy fruits.
ps
His final words on the subject were to buy
all of the stock you can, in this company.
Some people can't walk and
chew gum at the same time...
...this will be the first gum that will make it hard for other people to
walk when they chew.
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