Reply With QuoteWhy no OD???? -----> "10 dabs
of WAGG"
Immune to ODing?
Alright. Are there
folks who just can't OD? I've been trying, just to see what kind of outer limits there are.
Today, over the
course of 12 hours I've applied: 4 dabs of NPA, 8 inches of SOE, 10 dabs of WAGG, Half a gel pac(or so) of chikara,
and 4 drops of p10.
Men are pleasant and buddy-like to me. Women are talkative and nice to me. Maybe a little
more flirtatious than normal, but certainly no DIHL or anything like it.
Why no OD???? -----> "10 dabs
of WAGG"
Yesterday I applied a dozen
sprays of Heat (!), half a gel pack of SOE and covered with Weekend and went to work. Women were super friendly and
usually talked nonstop. No aggression or disputes from men or women. College age women, 18-22, seemed a bit nervous
and twitchy, but older women would not leave me alone. One attractive 40 year old literature professor came in my
office, put on my blazer (!) and sat next to me, constantly touching me and filling my ears with endless babble. She
blew my mind when she lifted up her shirt to wipe her face! Sort of like she wanted me to see her assets. She was
behaving almost as if she was stoned. Normally she is reserved and proper (she's married with a couple kids). I
actually had to gently push her out of my office as I was getting uncomfortable. Still she came after me several
more times later that day. Sort of like a happy puppydog chasing after me. She was missing from work today.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
gegogi, u post hits like
they arent even hits to you, like theyre everyday random occurances of women around u. Either you are a super pimp
or where youre at, theres either lack of men or most men around u are ugly relatively speaking to you.
Yeah, about the wagg, I don't
od even if I skip the wagg.
The SOE would also take the
edge off the NPA. If you really want to OD, stay away from the socially smoothing products like WAGG and Scent of
Eros. They are designed to be very versatile.
Just do something like 6-8 dabs of NPA. If that doesn't make
people edgy, then your natural pheromones AND demeanor may put people so at ease you can get away with the strong
Androstenone signature.
Alright,
Sometime in the next
week, I'm gonna do a P10/NPA OD attempt.
I love to tease and be teased. I enjoyed it before I used pheromones but now I have an edge and"gegogi, u post hits like
they arent even hits to you, like theyre everyday random occurances of women around u. Either you are a super pimp
or where youre at, theres either lack of men or most men around u are ugly relatively speaking to
you."
can play the game much more often. The strange and unpredictable behavior I sometimes get is a big plus and highly
entertaining. I think all pheromone users feel the same rush when they get in the groove. Once you start, it's hard
to stop. It's like a kid playing doctor with his little girl friends but also a hobby and obsession. Sort of like
gambling or playing music. I'm not trying to accomplish anything serious or profound (e.g., get a GF or improve a
relationship), but ain't it fun!
As for my looks, my past GFs, including the last 23 and 25 year olds,
thought I was handsome but somewhat of a prettyboy, and wondered at first if I was gay (they quickly found out I
wasn't). I work out daily, am toned but not muscular, dress well (think metromale) and have gotten very good at
charming and enticing ladies. There are plenty of other males around. However, other male faculty are largely bald,
overweight and haven't bought new clothing for 20 years. Most male college students are, well, raw and
unkept--e.g., doggie breath & dirty fingernails. However, I think, while looks do matter, women are largely
attracted to your personality and lifestyle. I pay attention to them, make them laugh and they want to hang out with
me. The pheromones just help them express their true desires. Women with no attraction for me won't twitch one iota
even if I bathe in NPA.
Masculine attracts feminine.
Try to fit in to their perception of masculinity, be it metromale or badboy leatherwear.
What's your office space like, Gegogi? 12 sprays of Heat sounds like a realOriginally Posted by Gegogi
punisher!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
I'm not interested in pretending to be anything I'm not. Besides I'm a professional"Masculine attracts
feminine. Try to fit in to their perception of masculinity, be it metromale or badboy
leatherwear."
musician so women expect surprises and deviance. Plus, I don't have any trouble getting women. Most women are
attracted to me because of my artistic lifestyle and mix of feminine and masculine characteristics. I waste a lot of
time pushing away the undesirable ones.
My office is small. About 12 x 12 feet with 12 foot ceiling. So no
vistor escapes my pheromone trap...
Gegogi,
You may have hit on somehting important here!
I've been reading accounts trying to figure out what us older guys have in common. You and I are almost exact
opposites in most ways. I can't play a note to save my life, don't really care much about how I dress and so on.
That one statement defines what we both consistantly do. I wonder how important that attitude is for us?
Any of
you other old farts have an opinion?
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Dominance is masculine. Dominance in the sense of being awe-inspiring. Youre talking about
base characteristics of feminine/masculine. Im talking about masculine/feminine on a high high level. For example a
man TRYING to be a man with a narrowminded concept of whats masculine defending it instantely with his life is
probably compensating out of insecurities. Being insecure is not masculine nor attractive in general. Since he feels
a need to compensate his masculinity through what he percieves as masculine, he must therefor lack masculinity in
reality.
Nevertheless, masculine attracts feminine, feminine attracts masculine. Otherwise men would be
hooking up with men all the time, and women would be hooking up with women all the time.
Acting like an everyday occourance
lol
Well there are some of us that get this sort of behaviour day in day out - with pheromones without
pheromones (only cause im bulked up) add the mones and its rub rub a dub and flirt away.
I dont bother
worrying to much unless its leading somewhere - but yes its definete and ive been using mones for 8 years and can
say this stuff works (better for some than others depending on what youre using)
I am beginning to think that OD
is a wrong concept.
In fact we apply doses 1000 times higher than those provided from the nature.so if you have
1000 times higher or 1500...it is not much rilevant if opposed to a normal..let's say...a 10 pheromone signature.so
increaseing the amount of pheromones is a way to increase the area of your aura.For example:last saturday i was with
8 friends at a pub.(i had on 12 dabs of te-6"soe-1drop AEm-2dabs wagg-half spray chika.),and i was targeting one
girl,who was unluckyly on the opposite corner of the table in the opposite side.A guy near her(worst than me
objectivly,less interesting,less cool,less guru) was able in 90 minutes to date her.She didn't know i was
interested in her,but the point i am making here,is that he USED my aura that night!in fact i was in a difficult
position to act with her,and so it is very possible that she made a legittimate fault to recognize the source of the
aura since she was interacting more with the other guy,while i had few few chances to speak with her that night.My
theory is that,having on several stuff,i had a very large area around myself,and having no chances to show that that
was my aura,the more able of the situation took the advantage.
ABOUT the MAX OD Satan's effect when people run
away scared..i have another thesis:1-it stinks a lot!so people could run away only for the smell...2-it is
effectivly a HUGE aura!And this could be psicologically OVERWHELMING!using 10 drops of npa is like having 10000 bad
boys concentrated into a 5-10 meters aura!this can be read subconsciously as a total and DECLARED siege of the
personal space of the people in the aura.3-the more you have on,the faster the pheros are recognized!and the larger
your aura is;so it is possible that you will not be recognized as the source of the aura if you act in a different
way from what the aura suggests.But in that space that high amount of none will be perceived as a CLEAR threat.
In few words:
more pheros-->PROS+larger(so more percepible)area.faster perception of the aura.CONS-the larger the
area is,the harder the source is recognized if you act in a social environment.who plays more what the aura
suggests,is identified as the source of the aura(VERY VERY DANGEREOUS INDEED).The "more is better" can really be
better,but i suggest it to you only if you are 1 vs 1,or when you are clearly the coolest guy around.
less
pheros:PROS+more individual aura.the source of the aura is easily discovered.you can use it very well in a social
environment of 1 vs all.when(IF it is noticed...not sure thing...) the source is discovered,you are MR
SMOOTH.ConS-slower perception time of the pheromones.the aura is reduced to your personal space is and can create
some difficulties to be " discovered".
IMO that is the meaning of the pheromone quantity;while the X:Y
proportion means simply WHO you are,not HOW MUCH you are!teorically...you should be able to go around with your
pheromones..and IF they are detected,then the job is done!the really problem in the today world and pheromones is
that there are SOOOO many factors creating problems to smell clearly..smog perfumes clothes..etc!so if you apply
pheromones you should have in mind 3 thing:
1-you need a 1000 times higher dosage to make your aura EVIDENT.
2-you
choose how much large you want your aura(choose your mg dosage).
(with pros and cons)
3-you choose WHO you want to
be(choose the none:rone:nol:etc proportion).
(with pros and cons)
NOTE(4)-If you act EXACTLY as the aura suggests
you should act,the chances of being identified as "the source" are a lot higher.
SOME NICE IDEA:Let's say for
example that none is the macho phero.
if you are a nice guy going to the gym with tons of none on,you will be not
surely detected as the source of that none.But...if you go to classic dance...with a 99% prevalence of
girls...omg..you will be at 99%..even if the pheromones DO NOT MATCH who you really are!be cunning...everything has
a mathemathical background.
That's not completely true. Men hookup with men and"Nevertheless, masculine
attracts feminine, feminine attracts masculine. Otherwise men would be hooking up with men all the time, and women
would be hooking up with women all the time."
women with women all the time. It's more wide spread than you think. I see it every dad burn day. Here in Honolulu
we have an extremely large and visible gay and lesbian population. Hawaiian culture accepts homosexual activity as
normal, unlike many in Western society. I know it sounds odd, but I often have difficulty telling Polynesian male
and females apart.
I have small bone structure and am an artist, so some folk think I'm gay or bi because of
the way I look, not the way I act. I'm actually tuff as nails inside and an extremely confident and self-assured
person. Nevertheless, confidence and dominance have nothing to do with secondary sexual characteristics. Instead,
these are human traits and both men and women of any sexual orientation can have them and still be masculine or
feminine. Likewise, being awe-inspiring on stage on in real life is not masculine or feminine. It's something both
men and women strive for in performing arts or leadership roles.
Ive found if you be "specific"
with youre targets it ends in failure i prefer the gal that surprosies me and its the unexpected that ends up
happening - spread youre aura around more often if phermones do work for you you should be finding that its
widespread and opens up many doors that would otherwise be shut relationship and sexual experience wise
Yes, that is called homosexuality. That is
their sexual orientation, and the typical western stereotype of either lesbian or gay displays more characteristics
of the other gender(defined by the masses). However as humans we are not that very distinguishable between one
another genderwise. We are about the same size, same coloration. There are species on this planet where the male is
10 times bigger and 10 times smaller than the female. They also have different colorations etc. So how do we as
humans try to distinguish our gender? Like it or not but people behave DIFFERENTLY when interacting with a person
depending on their gender. Perfect example, a young girl who had a lowpitched voice was 'assumed' to be a boy when
she answered the phone. People talking to her would talk differently meaning in speechstructure, topics, tone etc.
Than when they found out later on that she was really a girl. This is something that exists through our entire life,
sort of like a conditioning process.
Second example, two twin brothers were born. Upon circumsizing one of
the boys had an accident and his genitals were damaged. Doctors and parents consulted and agreed upon on
transforming the boy with damaged goods into a girl(meaning giving him a vagina). Upon growing up the boy was given
wild big crazy toys like monstertrucks and the like. The boy was more wild, loud, etc. The 'girl' was given dolls,
playovens etc and was more reserved and quiet. People meeting these children talked and behaved DIFFERENTLY towards
the child depending on their percieved gender. This gives credit that as humans we condition our children from the
get go on how to behave and interact depending on our percieved gender.
If youre driving and you see a person
walking down the street with shoulderlength hair, a tshirt and some jeans. The first signs of male of female
characteristics you will look for will be visual. Meaning their body, big small, wide hips narrow stomach,
chestarea. Second thing you will look for is the way they move, their walk, is it a typical feminine or typical
masculine walk. Now as you pass this person you will turn your head to try to distinguish facecharacteristics that
are either male or female.
Back in the days men used to work jobs that required great physical effort and
women in professions requiring less physical effort. Women tended to be drawn to jobs where they nurtured and tended
to people and men. Meaning secretaries, nurses, flightattendants etc. Men used to work in managerial positions and
jobs such as construction, lumberjacks etc. However in the last couple of decades we have moved into a more unified
society where its become more accepted to work in professions percieved to be either feminine or masculine
regardless of gender. Females have also gained alot more representation in managerial positions and jobs have been
created where gender doesnt matter(in order to get the job done, meaning both genders are equally effective).
Thus its getting harder to define a person on their gender or sexuality. THIS is what im talking about when
I say that men would be hooking up with men and women with women. If we had NO way to define a person we met on
their gender or sexual oriention and we felt the need to reproduce we would go ahead and try to reproduce regardless
if that person was a male or female. Granted that we cannot reproduce with the same sex that is not the point.
Thus a guy who displays masculinity, meaning he is distinguishing himself as a male will be attractive to a
heterosexual female. The same goes for a girl who is displaying femininity, she will distinguish herself as female
and will be attractive in our eyes. Or do most of us heterosexual guys really get attracted to a girl who behaves,
talks, walks, and looks like a guy?
Men still have an overall dominance of the leadership positions in the western cultureI have small bone structure and am an artist, so some folk
think I'm gay or bi because of the way I look, not the way I act. I'm actually tuff as nails inside and an
extremely confident and self-assured person. Nevertheless, confidence and dominance have nothing to do with
secondary sexual characteristics. Instead, these are human traits and both men and women of any sexual orientation
can have them and still be masculine or feminine. Likewise, being awe-inspiring on stage on in real life is not
masculine or feminine. It's something both men and women strive for in performing arts or leadership
roles.
however. What im talking about is the chichlid effect. There is a species of fish called the chichlid. They are
indistinguishable genderwise. Same size, coloration, no visible differentiating physical attributes(such as breasts,
penis, vagina). So how did scientists figure out which sex the fish was? Both fish were able to display traits such
as aggresiveness, dominance etc. However when it came to sex the MALE would always display agressiveness and
dominance, the female would always display submissiveness.
Now this is fish, and were humans, but i'd like
to argue the same relates to us when it comes to sex. Men are hardwired to be the agressive dominant ones. Why? A
female can have you sexually, but only if she excites you, only if she manages to incite you to sex. She CANNOT
sexually have you if youre not aroused. Men however can have a woman sexually regardless of her arousal. Thus women
are hardwired to be dominated and find it sexually exciting. To confirm this theory i've asked many women
personally on how they would like their 'man' to be. Basically they've all said that he should be the man with
capital m. Take charge, be in control and make no excuses or ask for anything. In addition girls have told me that
the most exciting thing for them is when he takes what he wants. One girl told me she gets her juices flowing when
she sees that 'primal look' on his face like he is 'going to take whats his'.
Now im not saying you
should be a man that physically controls everything your girl does. You shouldnt be abusive either. Most girls have
in addition to this said that 'at the same time I should be able to enjoy my space and freedom'. Thus its
dominance under freedom , if she says no RESPECT IT. Do not force yourself upon her. But dont ask or beg her for it
and then excuse yourself.
That's some dissertation. If"Men still have an overall
dominance of the leadership positions in the western culture however."
tis were 10,000 BC, male brute strength would insure his dominance over females. However, your thesis is
fundamentally flawed in a world where knowledge and ideas are power. Women now have that power and men can no longer
presume dominance over women.
The administration of the college I teach for is mostly female as are a
majority of faculty. Twenty years ago it was the exact opposite. The student body is currently 60% female.
Nationally 54% of all undergraduates are female. The precentage of female graduate students is even higher (sorry I
don't recall the exact figures). The stats indicate this trend will continue to escalate. The point is, due to a
lack of education, fewer and fewer men will be qualified for positions of power in the future. Thus women will
continue to assume traditional male leadership and professional roles at an ever increasing rate. I believe this new
freedow and power has already been translated into the personal lives of women. Sure you can find a few bimbos or
religious zealots willing to be dominated by an undereducated redneck, but the remainder wil be calling the shots in
our society. Male dominance? A quaint concept that peaked during the 19th century. Equality between the sexes? A
failed social experiement of the 1960s and 70s. Female dominance? The future.
I cannot do more
than agree, the trend is afterall women gaining more and more managerial and upper 'positions' in any
endeavor.
Men as whole will however have a hard time adapting and transform. I can give more examples to prove
that point if you'd like..
Alright, I put on 4 drops of
p10 and 6 dabs of NPA. I covered this with a coupla sprays of Joop What About Adam. This cologne has an unmeasured
quantity of NPA and p10 squirted into an aliquot I put in the atomizer that came with the p10 kit.
No men were
aggressive, no women stripped immediately upon reaching olfactory range.
In general, everyone was polite,
friendly, etc. Some women were a bit flirty, others weren't. My wife attacked me on the couch shortly after our
daughter went to sleep.
Maybe I'm just none-less and the extra doesn't bother anyone...?
I have a similar problem--am 'none-less--and can literally"Maybe I'm just none-less
and the extra doesn't bother anyone...?"
swim in NPA without ill-effect. Thank God for 'none replacement therapy!
I think the behavior of the
wearer also has an effect on OD reactions.
it amplifies reactions to youre
own behaviours from other people
Yeah, I think I project a
pretty laid back, easy going demeanor. So, like Gregorri, I can apply a lot of none.
I'm curious if there's a
limit though. At some point when it's convenient, I think I'll go with a tremendous NPA/P10 dose.
I have to
say I like the p10 though. It really doesn't smell much at all.
That makes sense. People say I'm a bit intense, never
stop moving. I can OD on pretty small amounts of none.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Yeah, I tend to agree with most
of the OD conclusions on this thread. I'll summarize my positions as follows:
Personal pheromone
signature: Except regarding male/female, homosexual/heterosexual, and MHC differences, it's total bunk. People
really don't produce that much pheromones of the type that most people apply exogenously (e.g., 'none, 'nol), so
if you count the endogenous pheromones in your pheromone signature as a proportion of the total given the exogenous
ones, it's probably not even significant. Maybe (at overdose levels) something like 1% of your total 'mones, and
maybe less. What I think people often mislabel "personal pheromone signature" I consider to actually be my next
topic for discussion:
Behavior: People vary a lot in day-to-day behavior. Some
people have aggressive-seeming mannerisms, some have gentle ones. Quick examples of ways in which behavior can vary:
frequency of palms-up (compromising, friendly, open) gestures vs. palms-down gestures (strong, aggressive, closed);
word choice, topic choice, facial expressions, eye contact, pupil dilation, extension of neck, distance at which one
stands from one another, etc. You get the idea. Now, for some thought-experiment BS mathematical modeling: Let's
say that every action has a value "x" which describes how aggressive/intimidating or friendly that action is.
Friendly actions are closer to one, and aggressive actions are closer to infinity. This value "x" is fixed for any
given action, and varies with each action. Something like saying "You're a very nice person" might have an x value
around 1.02, wearing a black leather jacket might have an x value of 4, and punching someone spontanously would
probably have an x value of a couple hundred thousand. Or something. Now let's say we have another variable "y",
and y represents the overall impression that an action gives. Now, if you're using a lot of none, that's like
having y=x^2 or something: it makes already aggressive actions seem a lot more aggressive. Wearing a leather jacket
would go from x=4 to y=16, for example. However, it wouldn't really change friendly actions: Saying "You're a very
nice person" only goes from x=1.02 to y=1.0404. So if you're only doing friendly things and looking friendly looks,
it'll probably be pretty hard to OD on the behavioral effects of 'none--at least, according to this bullsh!t model
I made up off the top of my head at 1:30am. As for 'nol, we might model it like this: y=x/2 + 1. So wearing a
leather jacket on 'nol might go from an intimidation factor of x=4 to y=3. Wearing a leather jacket on both 'nol
and 'none might be something like either y=(x/2 + 1)^2 or y=(x^2)/2 + 1. Doesn't really matter. The point is, for
most intents and purposes, pheromones really only amplify or diminish the way people will perceive certain behaviors
of yours. (Part of me screams at that explanation because it's ultimately completely wrong, but it's a lot less
wrong than the way most people think about it, and the correct way is too easy to misunderstand.) This model could
easily be extended to be dose specific by changing the (^2) and (/2) parts to (^d) and (/d), where "d" is some
dose-specific variable. But who would want to do that? The models are silly enough as they are.
Pheromones stink: I think that most of the typical 'none OD reactions (i.e., people running away) are from
the stink, not from the physiological/psychological effects. A strong cover scent has seemed to eliminate that
problem for me. As for psychological overdoses, it seems to me that they can occur in three conditions: first, if
the wearer acts too agressive/intimidating, thereby allowing the amplification effect (as described above) to cause
an overdose of intimidation; second, if the wearer does not wear a good cover scent, the subject may be frightened
when s/he experiences unexplained psychological changes (it's one thing if you notice that the smell of the person
next to you makes you really really horny; but if you suddenly get horny for no apparent reason (surely not the ugly
not-good-smelling guy sitting next to you!), you might get frightened and suspect date-rape drugs... and flee); and
third, if the subject is shy or uncomfortable with his/her sexuality, s/he may get uncomfortable and flee whenever
any overly strong sexual feelings are felt.
I'm a really nice, chill guy--5'8", boyish good looks,
cheerful and smily--and as long as I wear a good cover, I've been unable to OD as well. I once put on 20 dabs of
TE, then spilled about .5ml on my hands and the floor, cleaned that up, wiped my hands on myself, put on some
essential oil cover, and went to the store. I noticed that despite my cover I still stank, but people didn't scream
and run. Maybe that's just because I live in Portland, and there are a lot of stinky potheads and treehuggers here
who haven't showered in years. Still.
I remember the time I went out with 8-10 drops of AE and some SOE. I
ended up sitting in a coffee shop for about 20 minutes, then a really cute (and, incidentally, extraordinarily
intelligent) 22-ish girl sits down next to me. At first, I'm trying to count the minutes until she gets up and
runs. We end up sitting next to each other for about four hours total, and one of those we spend jabbering. So much
for overdoses. I remember particularly strongly when she called her boyfriend (and got his answering machine) on her
cell phone: her voice got all breathey and high-pitched. She herself was surprised. I noticed after she heard how
she was sounding, she tried to control it and sound a little more normal, but she didn't do a very good job. It was
really cute--and caused more than a little guilt--to hear her voice shake as she told her boytoy to call her "as
soon as you get this message." She was quite a bit edgy, though, but it was a nervous-edgy, not a frightened-edgy.
She opened up quickly and thoroughly once we began to talk, and much (though not all) of the edge wore off then.
However: I have seen some research which, while not on pheromones, may suggest that humans may have a
mechanism for detecting unrealistic pheromone levels. See
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050101/note17.a
sp ("Paper wasps object to dishonest face spots"). It's a bit of a stretch, but the same evolutionary
argument for paper wasps would also apply to humans and pheromones. Of course, evolutionary arguments are
fundamentally and generally pretty weak: What does it matter what would make sense if it were the case? Isn't it
more important what the case actually is?
Yeah, WAGG definitely helps reduce the 'none OD intimidation
effects. However, I've noticed a few occasions on which 'none has seemed to make people forget what they were
saying the moment the 'mones hit their nostrils, and WAGG doesn't seem to stop this.
Well the thing about the wasps
was visual stimuli, not pheromones.
Remember highschool, the nerds? the bullied? What if one of them one day
came to school in the coolest fuckin slick clothes, behaving like he was 'THE shit'. Would all the cool guys get
upset? Probably, would they try to put him back in place? Probably.
Its more of a visual socialranking thing
than it is about pheromones. Just my 2 cents..
So, like, this happens regularly?
I wish! No, my point was I got
all the benefits and no drawback. My wife is not usually spontaneous about sex, and usually prefers the bedroom.
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