Originally Posted by Dag0n
IMHO inexperienced and unknowledgable as I am mones may only take it so far. Humans seem
more dynamic and complex than purely driven by smell. Social and other factors do play in.
I'm read
some info on how some guys have been getting a lot of hits from women who are attached... however, it seems as the
hits i've read about never amount to anything, in sexual terms... however, i am curious. Is it moral issues in
closing the deal or do you think that it would perhaps require more none to really bring them over? perhaps an od
could possibly be the answer? That is putting all morals aside... if interested, please post on this.
Originally Posted by Dag0n
IMHO inexperienced and unknowledgable as I am mones may only take it so far. Humans seem
more dynamic and complex than purely driven by smell. Social and other factors do play in.
Dear Dagon,
There are probably as many answers and reasons as there are women. I cannot generalize for all of
us "attached" women. I can only say that in my case, if I see a guy I think is attractive, I might go as far as
letting on that I think he's attractive. Smile at him, look him in the eye, bat my lashes, something like that. The
equivalent of a guy winking at me as I'm pumping gas.
But I draw the line at that. Am I going to jeopardize
my relationship with my husband? (Whom I am head over heels in love with) - NO way! Now maybe some attached woman
who is in a bad relationship might be easier to influence. But is that truly the kind of person you want?
Naughtie
There are many "attached women"
who are more than willing to cheat on their partner... however, there are also a lot of them that while they would
not go as far as cheating, they enjoy to "test the waters" so to speak. Usually they are re-confirming to
themselves that they are still desirable and can still attract other men.
Personally, I find no harm in
flirting, but there are too many available single women out there to get involved with an attached woman.... if for
no other reason than having to deal with my own guilt the next day.
Riley
For biological reasons having
to do with reproductive fitness, many women "marry beta (for security and faithfullness) and cheat alpha (for
quality sperm)". They might even have a kid from the "alpha" male to be raised by the "beta". This is a suprisingly
common occurance. Pheromones make you seem more biologically alpha.
The book to get for understanding this is
Sperm Wars.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Bingo!Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
There have been many studies in all parts
of the world that show that at minimum 10% and more likely 20% of all people are not the offspring of the person
they think is their father! This is true across all cultural and religious groups.
Sperm Wars is an amazing
book! The Red Queen is another that explains the biological, evolutionary reasons for this.
When I was suddenly single
and in my mid-40s I tried the dating game and used pheromones to help. I tried bars for a small bit and realized
that wasn't going to work so I did what was becoming popular by then and started finding dates on the internet. My
own experience became then that it wasn't worth doing. The quality of single women in my age bracket seemed
pretty dismal, I didn't like any of my dates and I think I can safely say that most of them didn't like me either.
This may be regional as I was living in Florida at the time. Anytime I was in the NorthEast, I had more luck. At
any rate, I became disillusioned and began talking online with married women only. I found them to be much more
interesting and quite anxious to listen to my drivel (I likely was not born an alpha male but because of my 20 years
in the Air Force and having lived almost exclusively outide of the USA for most of my adult life I likely sounded
like one online - women do love to hear a guy who has "done things" and lived a bit on the edge). Each married
woman I spoke to online always agreed to meet up with me, even (for one anyways) if it meant flying from the West
coast to the East. Unlike the single dates I had had, not one of the married women ever cared about how much I made
or what my "image" seemed to be (I was a single father with custody of a mid-teens daughter and had very very little
"dating money" - and, even though you tell a single woman this, she still expects you to pay and pay and pay. The
married ones never asked me to buy them anything or even to pay their way to see me. Was this immoral? I don't
think so as each of them were talking with me because they just could no longer stand their husbands. Their
marriages had become boring, sexless, and utterly routine. I always used pheromones when I met them and I truly
believe it enhanced the experience for both of us, especially during intimate times. As a side note, none of the
husbands, save one, seemed to even care. If I were to ever become single again (not very likely) I would do it the
same way all over again.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
so a couple of basic points: most people seem to have lived fairly conformist, limited lives
and are nervous, judgemental, or confused by those who have pushed the envelope, even in interesting directions. The
flip side of this is your self knowledge increases in direct proportion to the number of times you've pushed the
envelope. Not knowing themselves well they lack a good model for knowing others well. Their relationships are based
on what they watch on television, what people around them generally seem to be doing, recipes and formulas for
happiness taken from advertising, keeping up with the jonses, a need for security and predictability, the idea that
hanging out and drinking beer is sublime recreation (it can be if you know how to make your own beer, that's
another story)... then they find themselves going nowhere, up on a shelf, Jack and Jane Invisible puttering around
the Wall Mart.... maybe after years of that they start to respect forms of life that they may have previously
dismissed or judged, but they have no idea where to begin, which keys fit what locks, what skills you need to
survive, how to size things up, then you come along and you're like the guy who sailed over the edge of the
world...........
Unfortunately my last two GF were
happily married women. I knew better and they knew better but we got deeply involved anyway. The relationships
lasted between 3 and 6 months and were highly emotional, intellectual and sexual. In the end they both went crazy
under the stress and strain of cheating and things ended badly. I think because they both knew in the back of their
minds the relationship would be short lived, so they really cut loose sexually.
Incidentally, I don't think
pheromones had much to do with it. The desires were there with or without pheromones. In fact, when I was with the
first woman I didn't wear pheromones. I think perhaps wearing 'mones enhanced the initial stages with the 2nd
woman, but then she was a massive horndog with or without 'mones. She needed no help or encouragement.
I
still get "hits" from attached women, flirt with them but am very picky about whom I get invloved with! Her
personality and lifestyle make a huge difference to me even if she is married. So although I usually don't pursue
her, it's nice to keep keep your chops up with a little tease.
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"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
If they were "happilyOriginally Posted by Gegogi
married" they wouldnt think of having an affair with you would they?
Unfortunately,I used mones to entice
attached women and messed around with my neighbors wife.Its a hard life lesson.
Don't get GOriginally Posted by platinumfox
started, Fox...don't get him started...
(Referring to the fact that he'll tell you many women are
happily (emotionally) married but just like sex and get it whenever they can)
Most people cheat on their SO
at one point or another throughout their lives.
Monogamy is controlled by a hormone called Vasopressin.
As you
can imagine we all have an individual productionlevel and receptivelevel for this hormone inside our bodies. Its
also variable depending on a persons experience, say for example that in the beginning of a new relationships the
levels might be high, but as the relationship progresses and time passes the levels diminish etc.
I guess I didn't inherit that one, and either do many women I meet!"Monogamy is controlled by
a hormone called Vasopressin.
I'm about the same at the beginnnig, end or middle of a relationship. Is there a hormone that controls polygamy?
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Actually, doesn't the
vasopressin release at ejaculation act against monogomy? There were some posts about this previously, possibly in
the Health forum.
Originally Posted by Gegogi
The lack of vasopressin?
They genetically modified the receptors of vasopressin in monogamous birds and they became polygamous.
They
fed polygamous rats/mice with vasopressin and they became monogamous.
I suppose youre talking about release of vasopressin inOriginally Posted by CptKipling
males?
Well an interesting thing many dont know is that they conducted a survey on women. Three groups, those
who didnt have sex regularly. Those who had sex regularly but with condom, and those who had sex regularly without
condom.
The latter group(sex without condom) tended to be less stressed out and depressed in general. Those
who had sex with condom and those without sex tended to be more stressed out and depressed in general.
Now
why does this happen? Peculiar aint it? Well not if you look at the male ejaculation. That baby is filled with
oxycotin, vasopressin, testosterone and all sorts of hormones. In fact it's referred to in the study as a
'hormonal cocktail'. So sometimes its not only about the females own orgasm rather than absorbing the males
ejaculation. And sometimes they just need the validation of being filled by some guy I guess..
Yeah, something about a release
in males causing one to think about the situation (i.e being with that girl/woman) without "lust goggles".
I've
read that study too, and I also heard that male ejaculate contains hormones that can enlarge the clitorus!
Originally Posted by CptKipling
Haha! Frigging great man! I'll be sure to mention that tonight to girls!
'Did you know that theres a hormone in the males ejaculation that.. umm, nah youre probably not ready to
hear this'... "what what tell me please!" 'that'll enlarge, and greater arouse your clitoris for maximum
pleasure'
Commonly called androstenone lol
(pheromones)
That said the issue of wives (and husbands) cheating up to 40% have done so in a relationship
of more than 7 years they say according to the boffins - 7 year itch has something there.
I get a lot of
hits from married and attached women (married ones usually wont jump) attached ones well a cople of
times
Mostly though its those singles that get laid with myself in the end - a point in that married women
are less likley to jump ship esp if a good solid financial earner is backing them up
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