Another valid use of steroids
is to reduce inflamation. Crones desease and pnuemonia are both treated that way.
Short
term use of anabolic steroids have a valid purpose. As we age, we lose our capacity to heal from ilness, wounds
close more slowly, fractures don't join as they do in the young. A brief course of steroid supplementation can do
wonders for the older adult who needs to regain normal muscle mass, improve appetite, and strengthen the immune
system. Medical doctors are well aware of these beneficial properties of steroids. Generally they will refuse to
prescribe them, primarily out of fear that they will show up on a DEA watch list of "pill doctors" and have their
license revoked. This was the same misguided
thinking that caused many doctors to refuse to adequately medicate patients for pain, often terrible pain, as the
DEA bureacracy had a model where those who legitimately needed large or long term doses of opoids were, by
definition, persons with drug abuse problems.
In the 1990s there was such an outcry from sufferers of chronic
pain conditions that a new dialog was opened between medicine and enforcement that recognized that pain was not "all
in your head" (even though, technically it is) but was a real, massively debilitating dysfunction than needed
appropriate medicine.
Today there is a similar demonization of steroids, which have been given a bad name
because of a hypercompetitive sports culture imposed on teen agers who are now suffering from an unprecedented level
and range of sports injuries normally only seen in professional competitive athletes. I would submit that the
problem isn't steroids, per se, but the professionalization, and quasi professionalization of youth sports that
puts totally unreasonable demands on youth, often poorly informed youth who have decisions forced on them by
demanding parents who want to vicariously live through their children's achievements or to confrom to group
fantasies about the prowess of youth. The tragedy is that many of these young are essentially having their teen
years stolen from them in an effort to satisfy the narcissistic demands of an older generation. Many teens will turn
to performance enhancers in order to live up to a deranged expectation which they have come to accept as physical
normality.
Prohormones and steroids have become a convenient scapegoat for a culture that doesn't want to
confront its' sins against its' children, pushing them to the point where steroids may be the only option for
gaining social approval at an age when social approval counts for everything.
Another valid use of steroids
is to reduce inflamation. Crones desease and pnuemonia are both treated that way.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
The steroids used for reducing
of inflammation are catabolic corticosteroids and would not be helpful for strength enhancement. (although they are
occasionally used in competitive athletics because they can mask and injury and allow one to "play hurt")
Anabolic steroids indeed have valid medical uses. I used them nearly daily when I was a burn surgeon.
Incidentally when I stated I
don't have an issue with athletes in non-tested competitions using steroids, let me clarify. Morally I wouldn't
stand in judgement of it, but I still think it's pretty stupid health wise. I wouldn't compete in a non-tested
strength event. (or if I did, it would be just to compare to my own PR's)
Using for health reasons gets my
vote, but still ... they pay in the end, too! ""I"" THINK it's a lose lose sit-cha-tion. But to gamble with
your life to look big Mike Mazzarato (spelling) ... young bodybuilder ... triple bypass surgery ... he's
maybe 34. Some pay sooner than others.
Anywho .... This is Mobley's Steroid Pain tree ... as life developes.
USERIUSER GETS SICK BECAUSE OF USEI
IMOTHER FATHERI ISISTER
BROTHERI IGIRLFRIEND WIFEI
ICHILD CHILDRENI
IKIN FRIENDSIUSER
That's most of the people YOU hurt once you start paying, but in the end, YOU hurt YOU.
There's this kid in my gym ... he may be 20, but he's short, and a nice build for his size. I saw him
and his lady in Taco Hell last week, and he admitted that he's tried it. I pointed at his girlfriend, and said to
him, "you're hurting her, and you don't even know it." He looked at me funny, and I think it was because he, like
so many others, think that I use, too. Not!
Sorry, I always try NOT TO tell people what they should or
shouldn't do, but I do realize that people have a hard time seeing the BIG PICTURE.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Holy shit. That guy had triple bypass surgery?!Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
I remember him from the Cybergenics
days.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
That bees deeOriginally Posted by Holmes
truth ... saw it in a mag this past weekend. If you noticed, and if you kind of look through the Muscle Mags ...
he's (Quadzilla) been out of the light for a bit. I didn't notice it until I read it.
Thing is ... if
these top bodybuilders, with doctors at their sides, are falling apart from use ... what do people think is going to
happen to those that doesn't have their personal docs!?
Tis sad, but true. They just had a discussion
on there being a steroid epidemic in America, on ESPN.
Wake up people!!!
I CARE!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Speaking from personal experience. As a middle aged guy, when I contract a nasty respiratory
infection or flu it may take a month before I fully feel like myself again. If it is mid winter, cold weather,
people sneezing and hacking all around me, possibly a couple of flus and assorted respiratory bugs. Even with a flu
shot, Tamiflu, Levaquin, the whole shooting match, a hard winter can leave you weak and run down. No energy, no
appetite, you can feel the strength and muscle mass leaving your body. Flus are more frequent and more intense as
international travel increases, the CDC doesn't have time to respond in coordination with vaccine manufacurers like
Chiron, and we are looking right down the barrel of a shotgun at worse yet. Influenza is right now the 6th leading
cause of death in the USA and probably the #1 cause of acute illness.
A short term course of an anabolic will
dramatically shorten the recovery period and enhance immune response. Assuming good health practices, as much rest
as possible, high fluid intake, you can be back on your feet and mentally clear, feeling productive instead of the
lingering malaise of depression and low motivation in about one week. That would be the equivalent of my health when
I was in my 20s.
Anabolics have an interesting short term blessing and a long term curse. Just as catabolic
steroids; cortisone, prednisone, etc. are powerfully anti-inflammatory, suppressing immune responses, anabolic
steroids are pro-inflammatory. The inflammation response IS what is needed when you have an active infection. As we
age, our immune responses falter for a number of reasons, including the loss of the thymus gland which produces an
important immune system hormone. We can't fight off infections as well, and vaccinations don't "take", our immune
system has less capacity to remember the signature of the invading foreign organism.
Much of cardiovascular
disease in now believed to have a long term inflammation component, and a blood test for this background
inflammation, C-Reactive Protein is now being included in cardiac risk profiles.
Thus, the desired, valuable,
life saving effect of inflammation is inappropriately prolonged in the high dose anabolic abuser, opening the way to
vascular injury.
Knowledge is POWEROriginally Posted by surfs_up
... Thanks Surf!
For others that don't know ... even short term has a price ticket. Who knows what evil
is already in the body awaiting that power surge to feed off of.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
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This is a poor analogy... scuba diving is risky, divers know that it is risky, but many people scuba
dive. Certification involves training so you know what the risk factors are and what you must do to avoid them. Only
a fool would dive without knowing how to calculate decompression. Hop on a plane without allowing sufficient hours
to desaturate your blood from residual nitrogen and you will experience serious decompression sickness while
airborne. This has actually happened to divers whose dive computers malfunctioned and they were too obtuse to double
check their blood gasses against a dive table. Even when the computers gave obviously unrealistic "time to fly"
schedules, like 6 hours when 30 hours would be expected. Fortunately this doesn't happen too often because divers
are pretty well trained in managing risks. The bodybuilding industry hasn't accepted anything close to the level of
responsibility for safety that the scuba diving industry has, as a result the field is littered with casualties. If
scuba divers dove with the same cavalier attitude that bodybuilders have there would be no divers left in short
order.
IOriginally Posted by surfs_up
could even understand bodybuilders that MADE money taking the risk ... money does that. Money worked wonders for
Arnold, who had enough of it to have bypass surgery, but for the sake of just walking around huge?
I agree with you, SUp.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
In short,Originally Posted by surfs_up
curbing juice use can do divers good for one's well-being.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
<HOLMES>Originally Posted by Holmes
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
if he had bypass surgery... he has his special tent outside of his office to allow him to smoke his
cigars when the nic fit takes him... so, I assume he is either suicidal, hoplessly addicted to nicotine, or never
had bypass surgery. There were rumors in the '90s that Arnold has multiple organ injuries from heavy roid use, was
living out of a clinic in Switzerland where they put him back together.... its the methyl testosterone that gets you
bad right in the liver... however, nobody knows for sure, could have even had a transplant for all we know.
No, justOriginally Posted by surfs_up
unbesiegbar.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
he's a tough cookie... gotta wonder how many body parts he can call his own though... did father kids
unless they were sperm donored... John Travolta told Letterman he's sell his for $20,000,000... we'll see if the
little ones look more italian than austrian... arnold could charm anyone into whacking off into a plastic cup if his
own nuts have shrivelled to the size of rasins... Bob Dylan and Snoop Dog together ? They get twins, one of each ?
Nice normal family....
Originally Posted by surfs_up
On that note, meet
Greg.
(Excuse me for a second - gotta
vom.)
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Valentino is disgusting.... so
is that "klaus" character (i think that's his name) there is a huge difference between steroids and injecting oil
under and into a muscle to make it look better...
I can find many valid reasons for steroid use... like any
drug they are only a problem when ABused...
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way. "
~Becca
In his case, and like so manyOriginally Posted by ManBeast
others, he's making money. For lots, that's a valid reason ... just not me.
For the sake ofOriginally Posted by ManBeast
good health and all the family and friends that gets mentally hurt/involved when things go wrong with the
user/abuser, ManBeast ... I don't THINK you're right, BUT, I SURE HOPE you are.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
My goodness! The article
states he wants to be a freak. Is it a chemical imbalance? And, is it painful to have arms like that? I see a lot
of men at the gym with big arms and either no or hardly any leg muscles. Are arm muscles something men are more
proud of (in terms of weight lifting)?
Yesssssiree, CB! Freak = moe money! Nope,Originally Posted by culturalblonde
it's not a chemical imbalance ... he's shooting something in his muscles. I can't remember what, but it's not
steroids. Anyone? Anyone?
You'd think he'd shoot his forearms, too. He looks sick.
And yes, men
have a tendency to want big arms before legs ... that's how I started out. I understood the balance of having legs
too, and did something about it, and had legs at one time. I think I cursed myself when I often thought and laughed
at those with nice upper bodies with tooth pic legs. Now ... I'm an offical member, and can't do too much about
it.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
I've got symmetry... probably
the second best in my household (4/5 of us lift) but I'm overweight somewhat too... But in terms of "proportional"
lifts, My squat is the best compared to my bench... so I'm happy... it *does* suck sometimes to have to buy
shorts/pants one waist size too big to prevent my cellphone from looking innapropriate in my pockets though....
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way. "
~Becca
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I was eating when I clicked on that link!Originally Posted by Holmes
Bodybuilding has destroyed weightlifting asOriginally Posted by culturalblonde
a productive exercise. The focus on isolating and hypertrophying muscles for aesthetic purpose is silly and vain.
So, yes, many men(silly and vain) will go for beach muscles.
sad but true
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Not to mention the non anabolic or
androgenic steroids such as glucocorticoids who besides their already mentioned anti-inflammatory properties also
aid in saving infants lives by developing their lungs so they wont collapse when they are born prematurely.
As for bodybuilders including Arnold, they are walking pharmacies and cannot be parallelled to the average
highschoolfootball abuser. Sideffects of anabolic androgenic steroids are dosedependant.
I know this thread is old and
practically dead, but y'all should really stick to posting about pheromones on this forum. How many of you have
USED steroids, and have both the knowledge and experience to back up ANYTHING you've written OR read about? You're
like armchair generals - arrggghhh - I should stop now.
But Damn.
ThisOriginally Posted by gabe1970
particular forum was created to discuss health issues and steroids certanly qualify under that heading. having used
a substance does not qualify you as an expert either. If that were the case I could be qualified to lecture on a
long list of substances.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
IMHO you ARE qualified to lecture on that long listOriginally Posted by belgareth
of substances, Belgareth. It may not make you an expert, or make you a recognized authority, but it makes you well
worth listening to from my standpoint as a non-user. I would expect you to acknowledge that you weren't an expert
and back up your claims with personal experiences and appropriate references. THUS the weight of an experienced
pheromone user on this site is more valuable to me than the words of any scientific article, advertisement, or other
media propoganda. And I'm not operating in a vacuum of information when I do ask questions on this site. Don't
ever presume that I'm putting you or any other experienced user on an altar, as I will definitely research every
fact and opinion anyone posts on this site.
But having said that, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let
a bunch of ignoramuses give potential life-changing advice to anyone who's contemplating using drugs without
knowing wtf they're talking about.
For the record, if any readers really want to read balanced and informed
opinions and articles about anabolic steroids and other how they are used - both safely and in excess- the forum you
are currently reading is not a safe or suitable place for it. It is 100% completely innappropriate in any way
shape or form. It is irresponsible for anyone to allow this crap to be posted here. Visit
http://www.testosterone.net for more information than you can ever need, and PM or IM me for more
links/info because I'm done with this BS thread.
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