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    1.5 * 0.004 = 0.006
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    The secret

    ingredient is just another form of none.
    How do you figure? What form of -none activates the VNO, as does

    the secret ingredient in Edge/NPA?

    Here is the relevant study:



    http://www.erox.com/SixthSense/StoryOne.html

    The

    only other relevant information I know of regarding "candidate secret ingredients" would maybe be buried in the Erox

    patent documents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptKipling
    An interesting

    side note:

    There was a poll done a while ago on the best TE dab dosage (by DST), and we found that 4 was the

    most popular.

    If we take a dab to be 0.02ml (my best guess to date), then that gives us 0.004 mg of -none and

    the secret ingredient. This is A LOT lower than the "optimum" -none dosages suggested.

    However, a common dose

    for A4.2 users is 1 spray (although I find that to be too much), which gives about 0.03mg of -none.

    Is this due

    to the secret ingredient? Does the secret ingredient cause an OD at much lower levels, or does it fatigue the nose

    at lower levels as the Doc predicted with the poll?
    That is an excellent point. After all, with all of

    this slicing and dicing of dosages, we do have to consider *everything* we're putting on, not just the 'none

    content; since, obviously, the interactions could affect what would otherwise be "norms".

    This still doesn't

    explain, though, why, at least in my personal experience, the "rule of .03" for 'none-only seems to directly apply

    to TE in the gel form, but NOT in the liquid form. Unless, of course, 2 possible things I could think of: 1) The

    ratios and/or active ingredients of TE gel and liquid are NOT the same, and the manufacturer isn't being straight

    about it, or 2) The "secret ingredient" is affected differently by the gel carrier than it is by the liquid carrier

    (probably far more likely).

    Perception is starting to look better & better to me all the time - at least we

    KNOW what's in it, and at what ratios, so we can accurately estimate dosages. Then that can be used to determine a

    baseline for optimum dose level, based on user feedback data. After all, the whole reason any of us are here is to

    boil down at least the *chemical* components of attraction to an exact science, or at least, as close as possible to

    it.

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    There is a possibility that you

    get different dispersal rates and skin absorbtion rates with the gel and alcohol versions of products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptKipling
    There is a

    possibility that you get different dispersal rates and skin absorbtion rates with the gel and alcohol versions of

    products.
    Exactly. This makes a huge difference. That is why npa and te don't equate even when you

    compensate for the dillution in te
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    Default in case you wonder

    drop = 1/76

    teaspoon = 0.0649 milliliter
    Caucasian male, 21 years, 190 cm/6.3 feet. Good looking. Not a leader, more like one of the guys.

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    That's way to big a value.
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    Default i was sort of right :)

    The

    drop is a unit of measure of

    volume. It is a variable amount of fluid and

    depends on the device and technique used to produce the drop and on the physical properties of the fluid. This is

    similar to units like the cup,

    tablespoon, and

    teaspoon that depend on the spoon or cup

    and are not exact either.
    </p>
    • the &quot;metric&quot; drop is defined as 1/20 mL (50 μL)
    • the

      medical drop is defined as 1/12 mL (83 1/3

      μL)
    • the Imperial drop is

      defined as 1/36 of a fluidram (1/288 of an

      Imperial fluid ounce, or 1/1440 of a

      gill) (approximately 98.656 μL)
    • an

      alternate, possibly apocryphal, definition of the drop is 1/1824 of a gill (approximately 77.887 μL)
    • the

      U.S. drop is defined as 1/60

      of a teaspoon or 1/360 of a U.S. fluid

      ounce (approximately 82.149 μL)
    • an alternate definition of the U.S. drop is 1/76 of a teaspoon or 1/456 US

      fl oz (approximately 64.854 μL)



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    Caucasian male, 21 years, 190 cm/6.3 feet. Good looking. Not a leader, more like one of the guys.

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    That's irrelevant.

    We know

    that the drop sizes depend on the type of dropper, method of dropping, and the properties of the liquid - hence the

    current topic of discussion.
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