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    Default RANT on CHIKARA arguments.....

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    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......

    I used chikara gel pack the other day..... JUST a little bit 1/10th even less

    maybe.....

    So I am just chillin downstairs in my parents house and my mother just getting on my case about this

    and that....

    SHE just TORE into ME!!! It was completly unprovoked.....

    After everything calmed down,

    about an hour later she just starts bitching about me getting a second job.,...

    "you need to get a second job"

    bitch, bitch, bitch

    But just a week before I was like "yeah i am going to get a second job" So It was my

    idea but yet I get bitched at......

    It was the chikara NOTHING else. (my mom is 60)

    RANT

    RANT RANT

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    "The whole world must learn of our peaceful ways, by force!"

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    That's surprising. After using

    Chikara since before it was released to the public I am a bit sceptical. Wearing it almost daily I've never had a

    violent reaction from anybody. Are there other factors that you may have missed or not considered? My kids have had

    some pretty bad butt-chewings that they thought came out of nowhere but were in reality well deserved, IMO. It's

    all a matter of perspective and yours is bound to be different from your parents.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Sometimes parents and close

    family have seemed to have difficulty with changes in pheromone signature. That certainly would make biological

    sense if it were the case.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    I was thinking

    the same thing.

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    It definitly was unprovoked....

    and it was about somthing I really want to do.

    When I first wore -none it was tough sitting down for a long time

    in the same house because arguements just happen.

    Now weeks latter -none effects are non noticable for the most

    part.

    "The whole world must learn of our peaceful ways, by force!"

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    As in mentioned on the forum

    before, I've had similar bad experiences with Chikara and not just with family members!

    If you see a thread

    I started here....
    http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12552
    there were other people who

    reported similar effects.

    However, when I reduce my dose to something tiny, I started to get minor, but

    postive results. I'm guessing I wear about 1/15 of a pack now and no more problems.

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    I've gotten heavy bitch sessions

    from girlfriends with or without 'mones. Although I don't doubt 'mones may play a role, it's difficult to

    separate its influence from social and environmental factors. When my number is up, the bitchin' starts, 'mones or

    not...
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    EDIT: I

    just noticed I misread what you said! My mistake. I thought you said "I doubt mone's play a role" rather than "I

    don't doubt mone's may play a role"..

    I guess I just assumed you were saying the former after the

    discussion we had in my original thread!

    Sorry for being assumptive.

    Anyway... here is the

    orginal post...

    * * * * * * * * *

    Gegogi, I think that you are overly harsh on the idea that Chikara

    could lead to increases in aggression/arguements and would like to address your sceptism here.

    I will agree

    that the sample is small and that there are often other explanations for this kind of behaviour but I for one did a

    reasonable ammount of testing before coming to this conclusion and a number of other people have also noticed the

    same thing so I do not believe this is a theory that should be dismissed so easily, especially when the idea that

    pheromones could lead to increased aggression seems to entirely plausible theoretically.

    I will outline

    my theoretical arguement here....

    Every thought, every behaviour has a biological basis, and hence every

    behaviour and every thought can be altered by altering that biological basis.

    Lesion the amygdala and

    you get a deficit in emotional learning.

    Lesion the hippocampus and you can't create any new episodic

    memories. No matter how hard you try, it is impossible.

    Cut out striate cortex, you loose conscious

    perception of vision, but retain subconscious visual function. No matter how these suffers of "blindsight" try to

    see consciously they cannot.

    When there is a deficit in serotonin people become depressed... and act

    depressed.

    Mess around with dopamine and you either get scizophernia or a the other end of the spectrum you

    get parkinson's disease. The cure for one can often lead to symptoms of the other.

    Mess with some

    hormones and you get attraction.

    Mess with others you could get anger/arguementaiveness/hostility.



    To elicit any thought or behaviour neural activity needs to occur and that neural activity is regulated and

    influenced by hormones and neurotransmitters. Pheromones have been shown to influence these things so pheromones can

    influence thoughts and behaviour.

    Saying that chikara is not a cause of the arguement is akin to suggesting

    that pheromones are not a cause of behaviour related to attraction. Of course in neither case I am going to argue

    that pheromones are the only cause, but I don't see how you can argue that they are not even a causal factor that

    may increase the likihood of an argument like I have observed and Surreal has observed.

    Sure you may choose

    to ignore it when you are really attracted to someone, but feeling attracted masively increases the likihood that

    you are going to display that attraction. The same arguement can be made for aggressiveness.

    Anyway, I

    think i've repeated myself enough, but there is my argument!
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    But all of these bad

    experiences yall have had are with the gel pack and not the spray right? I dont have any gels (got two of the spray

    bottles) but I assume that the gel is wicked strong? (ppl reporting using 1/10 packet, etc). What is so different

    about these gels anyway?
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    i'm going to test the gel

    pack when i get to school next week, i've never had a negative response with chikara unless i was oding. I have the

    silver shiny cap. I have some gel packs and i'll report with them, at 1/15 up to half a gel pack. I'll let you

    know the reactions i get.

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    I use the spray and have

    never seen these problems but hey I am the guy just about everyone loves anyways so I always make sure I'm wearing

    the none with it.



    Quote Originally Posted by CollegeStudent
    But all of these bad experiences yall have had are with the gel pack

    and not the spray right? I dont have any gels (got two of the spray bottles) but I assume that the gel is wicked

    strong? (ppl reporting using 1/10 packet, etc). What is so different about these gels anyway?

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    Yeah I occassionally get

    aggressive, bitchy reactions too from two sprays of the dull-silver capped newer version of Chikara. They have

    generally happened when I have worn the product for at least a few days in a row (possible buildup?). Also, the

    people that have been negative seem to be older women (35 - 65) that I work with (I am 25). Nevertheless I can sense

    some intimidation (and a little aggression) from beta men too.

    Visionary

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    Gochu chirps, "I've

    gotten heavy bitch sessions from girlfriends with or without 'mones. Although I don't doubt 'mones may play a

    role, it's difficult to separate its influence from social and environmental factors. When my number is up, the

    bitchin' starts, 'mones or not...
    "Gegogi, I think that you are overly harsh on the idea

    that Chikara could lead to increases in aggression/arguements and would like to address your sceptism

    here.
    I can only relate my own experiences with 'mones and aggression and/or arguments with others

    are rare, 'mones or not. I have to work at provoking them. In fact, most friends have told me I'm relaxing to be

    around. I'm much more foreboding in writing. I have no doubt certain personality types, body language and pheromone

    signatures are more inclined to incur wrath. Add extra 'mones and people may go right over the edge. I've known

    guys that seem to irritate everyone in the room. They really didn't do anything really bad but everyones wants to

    kick their ass.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    I put on about 1/6 a chikara gel

    pack and my mood was great. but after 10 minutes of driving I was become pissy and depressed. Definitly an od for

    me. I whiped it off and I was fine in about another 10 mins.

    "The whole world must learn of our peaceful ways, by force!"

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    I think a lot of problems come

    with people using the gel packs and OD'ing. You should just take one small dab from the gel pack and start from

    there. Apply it to a couple places, and if you can smell it, you have enough on. If not try one more dab.

    With

    the sprayer two small squirts are enough.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    When I got bitched at it was

    with only about 1/15th a pack. And just out of a shower.

    I agree.

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    You should stay away from it

    then.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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