Reply With QuoteI've heard that when you are
in ketosis you develop a distinct and somewhat unpleasant odor and bad breath. That would have some effect, I would
think.
Any atkins diet people on here?
IIRC
altering ones diet can have an impact on your natural signature. Anyone on here currently on atkins or have tried
it and noticed a difference (hit wise) when applying mones?
I've heard that when you are
in ketosis you develop a distinct and somewhat unpleasant odor and bad breath. That would have some effect, I would
think.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
When you are in ketosis, your
breath smells, your farts REEEEEEK even worse, and your body odor does get a bit more unpleasant, but extra showers
can help with that.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way."
~Becca
I ain't on the Atkins diet, but
because I'm a bodybuilder I extremely restrict my carb and sugar intake which is what the basis of the Atkins diet
is. I saw good hits when using NPA and I never noticed any of those side effects that my man listed above.
Like Sito above, I limit my
carbs (no wheat at all, but plenty of fruit and vegetables) and sugar (occasionally very very dark chocolate with
minimal sugar), and have had only good effects (including digestion) as a result. I have never been even close to
overweight, so I never needed the full-tilt Atkins.
Both NPA and Chikara have worked for me, but not SOE or
Perception.
Limited carbs are WAY different
than keto. Your body is using completely different pathways for energy creation when in keto vs. limited
carbs.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
Its practically the same basis. Keto
is simply eating NO carbs at all which is a stupid decision in my opinion because you need a decent complex carb
intake to have the energy to lift and function daily. The Atkins diet basically says "Don't eat carbs... at all"
and thats a big mistake. Caffeine and other stimulants are not a good substitute for complex carbs. I used to eat
Keto foods which are made by the company Keto and its the same thing.
I stay away from refined carbs and
sugar, but I do make sure I get a sufficient amount of complex carbs each day. I made the mistake of going on Keto
and not eating any carbs at all and its ONLY good for people trying to lose weight quickly. I never experienced any
of the side effects you claimed happens to people on keto. The only two side effects I saw from keto was an
extremely low amount of energy and decrease in everyday functioning.
People who diminish their ENTIRE carb
intake will feel lethargic and have little or no energy to engage in real workouts. People who go on the Atkins diet
like it because they don't need to workout or do anything to serious cuz the ketosis is taking care of it. But to
others who lift religously its a death wish.
I don't recommend the Atkins diet to anyone who is a
bodybuilder or powerlifter. You MIGHT lose weight on the atkins diet, but you will also lose a good amount of muscle
in the process.
I am not on the Atkins diet but
have read the latest two books for Atkins dieters and what you are saying are common misconceptions about it. Firtst
Atkins only takes you off carbs temporarily. Once you start losing weight you are supposed to increase your carb
intake to reach a balance point. The books are very specific about avoiding sugars and such but carbs are part of
the long term diet. Atkins also brings up exercise in many places in the book as part of a long term regimine. At no
point does it say or imply you do not need to exercise. Also, most people who go on the Atkins diet report MORE
energy, not less.
I don't claim to be a medical person or even really understand the issues involved. I read
the books, along with the southbeach books trying to understand it better. That only puzzled me more because,
despite the fact that it goes against everything I thought was correct about dieting and diet in general, it works
well for many people. Even talking to my doctor didn't really answer the questions, he has no problem with it so
long as a person is monitored closely and doesn't over do the saturated fats.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
I'm saying it lowers energy from my
personal experience. I also know many people including my mother who have been on the Atkins diet by the book and
felt like crap during the dieting phase. And yea they probably say to do some sort of light exercise, but doing
heavy lifting would not bode well with an Atkins diet. What also happens with the Atkins diet is that many people
will continue to cut their carbs regardless of what the book says because dozens of other diets preach the
importance of eliminating carbs from your diet. People will come to the conclusion that cutting out all carbs will
accelerate the fat loss.
I'm not doubting that it doesn't work for losing weight. I was on a similair diet
during my cutting stage where I ate no more than 5 grams of carbs a day and saw good weight loss but lost a good
amount of muscle too, and I was tired all the time. I had to counter the effects of that by using an ECA stack which
worked, but only for a small amount of time and the ECA stack caused stomach pain when you didn't have sufficient
carbs or food in your system at the time of ingestion. Man the price we pay to look good!
My point is that I
didn't see any of those side effects that Manbeast pointed out happens when on Keto diets. The other stuff I posted
was drawn from my personal experience with those kinds of cutting diets and from what I saw from other friends and
family who tried the Atkins diet or other forms of Keto. If your trying to lose weight and your NOT a bodybuilder or
athlete, then the Atkins diet might be a solution for you. I know it works, but when you do the stuff I do in the
gym you gain a greater appreciation for those carbs and how they help.
You can't really blame the
Atkins diet for how people interpret it, can you? If they choose to keep the carbs down or to not exercise that is
not the fault if the diet.
I'm curious how long you went low carb. There's a good reason that ketosis causes
you to smell and gives you bad breath, the ketones that your body produces smell bad. If you were not producing
keytones the smell would not be there and there would be a problem with energy as that is what the body burns for
fuel when you don't have sufficiant carb intake.
I don't call myself an athlete even though I still visit the
dojo 3-4 times a week for a couple hours. I get all my carbs from grains, nuts and fruit. I have no problem with
energy and certainly don't consume anywhere near the number of carbs they say I should.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Like I said, complex carbs like the
ones you mentioned are sufficient. I was on a diet where I wasn't even taking in complex carbs. I take in a decent
amount of complex carbs daily and I don't have any energy problems now.
But to answer your question, I was
on that diet for 5 straight months and taking in much less carbs than what is advised by Atkins.
I'm not
putting the blame on Atkins, but people in general tend to go by what they hear by word of mouth. I mean lets be
serious; the consensus on carbs is to stay away from them, and this is blatantly expressed through the media and
other news outlets.
Originally Posted by sito
Your post is about 95% inaccurate.
Do some research.
Atkins does not
advocate zero carbs, nor does your energy levels drop, they actually go up.
The muscle loss myth is just that
as well.
I will not speak of Atkins, for
I have never used it and from what I've read, it's not for me. But I will talk about the Cyclical/targeted
Ketogenic Diet.
1) Muscle loss does NOT occur if done properly.
2) Lethargy is a known issue, espeically in
the beginning when your body is still in shock. Energy levels do come back up, but not quite to "normal" IMHO. This
can be percieved as a loss in strength due to the feelings of "drag-ass" (yes, that's a technical term)
3)
Keto works great until about 12% bodyfat (for males) and then slows drastically.
4) Keto is a SHORT-term diet (16
weeks max), living on it is really not fun for extended periods of time.
5) Keto requires precise nutrient timing
and portioning.
6) The trick to no re-bound gain is in how you transition off. If you go immediately back into a
"normal" diet, your body will hoarde and store carbs you put in as fat for two reasons:
A) You haven't had
carbs, so your body wants to "store" them when it gets them.
B) You have been loosing fat, from an evoloutionary
standpoint, this is BAD! Fat = survival to the body, so again, it's going to want to put it back on.
So
transitioning off is the key to proper use of a keto (and I'm going to extend this one to atkins as well)
diet.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
Like I said, I based my comments on
what I have experienced personally and what I've seen others go through while on that diet. And if you read my last
post you will see that I'm not completely downplaying Atkins and saying its a bad diet.
I was on something
very similair to Atkins, that was actually more drastic than Atkins, and saw good weight loss. I was not the only
person who experienced muscle loss due to diets similair to Atkins. And once again this diet is not for serious
bodybuilders or powerlifters.
If you don't already have a substantial amount of muscle or if you have too
much fat on your body, of course your not going to notice a loss in muscle. However, I was able to see the
difference when I finished my diet and I was not pleased at all.
I don't know if your statement was based
off of what other people have written or said, but research doesn't come close to actually experiencing it for your
self. And of course if you read the Atkins book they are going to say muscle and energy loss does not occur. Do you
honestly think anybody would buy that book if they spoke of what is very likely to happen? people only want to hear
the good stuff without having any doubts.
You are right, if done correctly. Which is something mostI will not speak of
Atkins, for I have never used it and from what I've read, it's not for me. But I will talk about the
Cyclical/targeted Ketogenic Diet.
1) Muscle loss does NOT occur if done properly.
2) Lethargy is a known
issue, espeically in the beginning when your body is still in shock. Energy levels do come back up, but not quite to
"normal" IMHO. This can be percieved as a loss in strength due to the feelings of "drag-ass" (yes, that's a
technical term
3) Keto works great until about 12% bodyfat (for males) and then slows drastically.
4)
Keto is a SHORT-term diet (16 weeks max), living on it is really not fun for extended periods of time.
5) Keto
requires precise nutrient timing and portioning.
6) The trick to no re-bound gain is in how you transition off.
If you go immediately back into a "normal" diet, your body will hoarde and store carbs you put in as fat for two
reasons:
A) You haven't had carbs, so your body wants to "store" them when it gets them.
B) You have been
loosing fat, from an evoloutionary standpoint, this is BAD! Fat = survival to the body, so again, it's going to
want to put it back on.
So transitioning off is the key to proper use of a keto (and I'm going to extend this
one to atkins as well) diet.
MB
people on diets do not do. A lot of times these diets leave out other factors that could affect your muscle
gains/loss. That is my main beef with diets that claim you will not lose muscle or energy. They claim you won't
experience any losses but don't prove it through logical reasoning. I mean retaining muscle when you diet can be
brokendown very simply:
1.) Increase your daily protein intake to 1-1.5 grams per pound of body
weight.
2.) Increase your water intake
3.) Supplement with multivitamins, amino acids, creatine, etc.
4.)
Hit the weights everyday and avoid cardio exercises.
Well this is my first post
to these forums (although I have been reading them for several days now) because this is the first subject I can
speak with a lot of knowledge on. First of all if there is any confusion on this let me say it clearly that Atkins
Does Not advocate no carb diet rather the first phase consists of 20/grams per day for on average the first 2-3
weeks. After that increasing your increments 5grams per day/per week, until you reach a point where you plateau
(no more weight gain or loss), for me that is about 120 gms/day. As far as bad breath goes that is not exactly
true, rather your breath takes on a sweet smell that is not common to humans so people assume it's bad breath. In
reagards to loss of muscle mass that means you are not eating enough proteins which is how this diet processes
energy and when you don't enough protein your body takes the proteins out of your muscle mass. The last point I
will address for everyone is lack of energy. While it is true for the first couple of days (while your body is
making the transformation) you will be lethargic (and constipated), after you body starts processing protein for
energy you will have much more energy and feel suprisingly better about your well being. I never noticed any change
in body odor amongst my self or several other people who began the diet after I seeing my sucess but as to pheremone
there is no telling.
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