Reply With QuoteIf you say so, ive been there done that. Their parents WILL find out.Originally Posted by Kris
oh and hey jail? yeah right if a
girl under 18 want to have sex with me and i have a place where we can. she might tell her freinds butn ot her mom
or dad. or anything so i dont see how i would go to jail im not going to make any one have a kid or anything
If you say so, ive been there done that. Their parents WILL find out.
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Whoa, step back a second.
She's 13, are you sick?
That
means she is only just a teenager.
If you had met her last year would you have said, "Well, she's 12 going
on 13, and kinda tall..."
What's so special about this girl anyway, are there not any girls closer to your
age around?
Anyone need a soapbox?
Trust me, Use Alter Ego
with Jovan Musk as cover. You can get Jovan Musk in most drug stores. The combo really works.. you may find that
it actually changes your behavior also... will make you more confident.. and she will see that in you.
Everyone: I wouldn't worry about
this. Looking at this kid's attitude, it's not going to last even if they do get into a relationship.
Kris,
I strongly suggest you wait a few years before you experiment with pheromones. Or at least try it out with girls
your own age. You don't want to get sexually involved with a minor. It's not worth the risk.
Yea...You should avoid
"jailbaits"
I'll
take it. I need it to go off on a defensive rant...
...I love how quickly adults forget what it was like to be
a teenager. Cap'n, of all people I thought you'd be understanding as one of the 'youngest oldest members of the
forum', if you get what I mean.
Geez...doesn't anyone remember high school? The freshmen girls date
the senior guys. Many don't even consider dating guys within one or two years of them...and older women? Ha! You
can forget about senior/college girls going out with junior or younger guys. Let's put these into numbers, shall
we? Freshman girls are 13-14 (don't say there are no freshman 13-year olds because I was a 13-year old
freshman---I turned 14 in the third month of my freshman year), and they're going out with 17-18 year old seniors.
This is the norm for the 'popular', 'cool' crowd as highlighted and stereotyped in so many 80's/90's
teen movies and TV shows. (I'm not saying this is the only thing, I'm saying it was and probably still is the
popular thing to do. Hell, I remember my freshman classmates dating seniors...just 8-9 years ago)
Getting a
little clearer than just a number now? Plus, he is only 16, so it's not stat. rape or against the law unless he
forces it on her. In many states, it's someone over 18 and someone under 18 (someone posted a link to the actual
laws in each state in another thread), but there have been recent laws such as the '4-year rule' to prevent
seniors from getting arrested for consensual sex with anyone else in their high school (14-18, 15-19, 16-20 okay as
long as it's consensual). Forgive me if there's some 16-13 law that I've overlooked somewhere. Plus, girls
today are doing their best to look older. I remember seeing this girl on my bus (I posted this somewhere) who I
would've guessed as 17 at first glance until inconsistencies showed up and I guessed her at 14...to which she then
even proved me wrong again by getting off at the stop for the middle school...boy, I was fooled (I blame my
poor eyesight that prevented clear signs of youth)...which is why Kris keeps saying 'tall and hot' or whatever
because obviously she's doing a good job of looking older and she's probably ahead of her peers in growth if she
has the height of someone older.
Okay, now that I've reminded everyone what it's like to be in high
school...
Everyone is right about the sex part, though. I hope teens understand the risks. I know everyone
thinks they're invincible as teens, so that's why I say that just makes your 'super-sperm' more capable of
hitting the target.Watch out. Be safe. It's not worth 6 seconds of pleasure for a month (or even lifetime) of
fear. Just saying, "I'm not going to get anyone pregnant," isn't going to make it true unless you do what you
have to in order to make sure it doesn't happen.
Just make sure that everything you do is consensual or you'll
see me on the other side as the first person to put a fist to your face.
Yeah, thanks.
Yep, those "jailbaits" can
really get you in trouble. My son had twin girls out of wedlock with a "Jailbait" type, but we love those girls
just as much as our other grandkids. My son has been paying, and will pay, child support for a long time.
As my
dad use to say "to keep out of trouble, keep those pants on". Wish now I had told my son the same thing. Also
Underage sex could wind you in jail with a rape charge.
As the father of a 13 year old
girl and two older girls, I wonder what her parents are thinking about all this. Maybe I'm old fashioned but there
is no way on earth my daughter would be going anywhere with a 16 year old guy.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Obviously not too old-fashioned...Romeo and Juliet were 13 and under...of course, their parents were against their
love as well...
That said, Jewish boys become men at 13...some sign of life before the invention of the
'teenager'...the teenager was actually 'invented' after WWII when parents had large disposable incomes and kids
took longer and longer to 'grow up'...before then, you were an adult by 13...PG13 would've been R-rated movies
back then...
Actually, Bel, I would call you new-fashioned because you represent pretty much every parent for
the past few decades (if not longer). I'll be the same way when I get older and have kids...after all, where would
we be without hypocrisy?
you'll start to be interested in guys, and it's your own decision to make what you do. However, I strongly
suggest you think about the consequences..." I'm totally going to be the, "Don't you do anything or I'll ground
you for life!" "Come on, Dad. You must've done this stuff when you were a kid!" "No, I didn't. I never drank,
smoked, did drugs, and I've never had sex with anyone under 18. That's your punishment for having a Dudley
Do-Right father!"
Translation please? Do you mean you pull out before ejaculation? That is a very poor method of
birth control. There is sperm released in the "pre-cum" (for want of a better word) that the male produces for
lubrication purposes. That can get a female pregnant. The only 100% effective form of birth control is abstinence
(not counting sterilization). Even the pill has only something like a 98% success rate.
I
consider 'Triple Protection' to be effective...Pill + Condom + Spermicide = over 99.9% protection...I'll take
those odds...if you want to be extra careful, pull out (there is an actual 'failure rate' for pulling out---I
think around 20% or 30%...I want to know how they calculated that one...
'tubes tied' and snipping the 'teste tube' have failure rates (of like .0001% or something).
I think its 99.something%
for the pill, depending on the pill I guess. Condoms are in the high 80 percent right? I would suggest two forms
at once, to combine the chances together. Also there is supposed to be male oral contraceptive out or coming out
soon. Anyone know anything about that?
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You're right, I edited in the sterilization remark as an afterthought.
I just
recently heard of a man who had a vasectomy and didn't realize there was a period of about a month afterward before
he was actually sterile. He fathered a child.
That's why you never hear,
"NO KIDS OR YOUR MONEY BACK!" as a catchline...
I didn't mean to disagree with you, IP. I believe that
those things are pretty permanent once completed correctly. I was just being ultra-technical, as usual.
Maybe my biggest concern is they'll meet somebody just like I was. In truth, a parent has toObviously not
too old-fashioned...Romeo and Juliet were 13 and under...of course, their parents were against their love as well...
That said, Jewish boys become men at 13...some sign of life before the invention of the
'teenager'...the teenager was actually 'invented' after WWII when parents had large disposable incomes and kids
took longer and longer to 'grow up'...before then, you were an adult by 13...PG13 would've been R-rated movies
back then...
Actually, Bel, I would call you new-fashioned because you represent pretty much every parent for
the past few decades (if not longer). I'll be the same way when I get older and have kids...after all, where would
we be without hypocrisy?
you'll start to be interested in guys, and it's your own decision to make what you do. However, I strongly suggest
you think about the consequences..." I'm totally going to be the, "Don't you do anything or I'll ground you for
life!" "Come on, Dad. You must've done this stuff when you were a kid!" "No, I didn't. I never drank, smoked, did
drugs, and I've never had sex with anyone under 18. That's your punishment for having a Dudley Do-Right
father!"
teach their daughters and rely on them to make good decisions because you can't be there every minute. I'm quite
sure my 17 year old daughter is sexually active and regard it as her business. She knows the facts, it's taught in
my household starting at a young age so they don't learn BS from their friends. It's the best way to protect them,
tell them the truth. I might see things differently if she was dating a guy 21 years old but she isn't. But IMO, a
13 year old is too young to date.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
"... but for the sex part it a
maybe. and that not really big worry or anything. i dont cum in there gumming
holes..."
WHOOP!WHOOP!WHOOP! (Red lights
flashing!!)
EMERGENCY, Sex Education class NOW, stat!!!
"...bc of herm om and dad. saying that
i am to old and they think i drive and have lots of girl freinds and want to have sex with
her..."
AND
"... i will get to know her and date her. but for the sex part it a maybe..."
"... and
i have been geting sex from girls sent i was 14..."
Sounds like her mom has got you pegged!!
By
the way, I'm being a hypocrite, I lost my "V" when I was 14 to a 13 year old!
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
I'm sorry, when I was 13 my
dream date, like not even how I actually dated, consisted of holding hands and sharing a rootbeer float. It's not
about age, it's about maturity, and a 13 year old is in no way, shape, or form physically or mentally mature enough
to be having sex. Period. Your lack of knowledge of the subject of sex, how to get pregnant, not to mention your
lack of knowledge of grammar and spelling, clearly indicates that you, as well, are not mature enough. Pulling out
can easily get her pregnant. Even condoms are not foolproof. And having sex with a 13 year old is plain illegal.
I hope you seriously reconsider not only your actions but your mindset. If you ever want to talk, feel free to pm
me or anything.
Best of luck,
~Silver
Silver:
Maybe the boy holding
the rootbeer float was dreaming of having sex with you. Actually "maybe" is too weak a word.
Could you
imagine the 13 year old reading this thread? With all of the people talking about her having sex, she'd probably
be wondering, "wait a second....don't I get any say in the matter?"
God, Jesus and"mym om talk to her mom
and tould her im nice andb elivei n god and jesus and wouldnt do anything wrong... but for the sex part it a maybe.
and that not really big worry or anything. i dont cum in there gumming holes lol."
"gumming holes." Now that's something to be LOL about! Where do you put your cum then? The Bible says to spew your
seed on the ground is an abomination unto the Lord.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Plus, girls today are doing
their best to look older. I remember seeing this girl on my bus (I posted this somewhere) who I would've guessed as
17 at first glance until inconsistencies showed up and I guessed her at 14...to which she then even proved me wrong
again by getting off at the stop for the middle school...boy, I was fooled (I blame my poor eyesight that
prevented clear signs of youth)...which is why Kris keeps saying 'tall and hot' or whatever because obviously
she's doing a good job of looking older and she's probably ahead of her peers in growth if she has the height of
someone older.
Pancho, you absolutely right. I dated a girl who is a freshmen and I was a Junior at that time.
She looks older, tall, full figure, and very mature. People just thought that we were in the same age group. So
don't worry about it, enjoy your youth while you still young. Just don't get caught "having sex" from the police
or her parent. Get a room not in the backseat cause I got caught that way.
________
Mexico
city hotels
Last edited by ironfire; 03-16-2011 at 05:03 AM.
Whoa there, I think a lot of the comments made in that post were really
unnecessary. First of all, I'm not DUMB, nor do I think anyone else who'se contributed to this thread is. Everyone
here is just trying to give their valuable 2 cents here, as we are all together on the same team and want to support
each other and help each other do well in what it is we do. Second, I don't see where mtnjim questioned what a
"gumming hole" was. I'm sorry, but maybe I'm missing out on all the hip new lingo too, but I myself have never
heard of it being called a "gumming hole" before. Third, I don't care when you started jacking off. Also, if you
could get sex with hot girls when you were 14, what's stopping you from getting this girl who I also assume is
"hot"? I'm tired of reading this thread.
-- End rant.
PS: At your age I think you should be focusing on
other things (such as English homework for example) rather than sacking jail bait.
I would have to state that the first part is
inaccurate...and I point out that if it's not about age but maturity and 13 isn't old enough to be mature, then
you're essentially stating that it is about age...when it is purely maturity and you cannot assume that a
13-year old is not mature enough without knowing that person without bias (although I guess that's impossible since
all adults will see kids as too young...which is why your post probably made perfect sense to anyone over the age of
18 despite the logical loophole).
You are physically mature enough to have sex at 13 if you've hit puberty
(most kids have). After all, if you weren't, you wouldn't be able to have it (or wouldn't even want to). 8 year
olds are not physically mature enough to have sex. Once you hit puberty, though, I believe that makes you physically
mature enough. In fact, the problem with teenagers is that they become physically mature enough to have sex, but
society has changed in a way that makes it both hard for a teenager to become mentally mature enough as well as the
danger of having a child so young (unlike hundreds/thousands of years ago, children are more of a burden than a
benefit).
Secondly, whose fault is it that there is a lack of knowledge or mental maturity? Hell, my school was
great. They taught me everything there was to know about sex right at the beginning of my sexual development. I knew
exactly what was going on and everything about sex (of course, I was mature for my age, so I guess it would not be
for everyone). Because of that, I stayed away from sex for a couple of years. I thank my teachers for caring enough
to educate me instead of saying, "You're not old enough!" Everyone knows that saying that will just make a youth
want to do it more...research has shown that a youth is more likely to stay away or be responsible when it comes to
sex if you talk about it like they were a mature human being instead of a two-year old.
I believe Belgareth has
the right mix as he said he talked to his children like mature adults, letting them make their own decisions (which
statistically shows that they're more likely to abstain) while still being the overprotective father they know and
love by keeping them away from the horndog older guys.
That all said, Silver's 100 percent right about the
pregnancy part. Although I find it hypocritical that adults use scare tactics and then go out and have sex without
worrying about getting pregnant because they used the pill and a condom with spermicide. Obviously, though, an adult
is much more capable of taking care of a child if the need arose, another difference from hundreds/thousands of
years ago when all you needed to do was carry it around, feed it, and give it love while farming or hunting and
gathering. I highly doubt even college students living it up and having sex with random people are psychologically
prepared to have children, but nobody's yelling at them...
I have a question for everyone:
Where does it say that two minors having consensual sex is illegal? The term 'jailbait' is used for minors that
will get anyone 18+ sent to jail faster than you can say, "I thought she was 19..." A 16/13-year old sexual
experience is not illegal. Now, upset parents may cry 'rape' whether it was consensual or not, but there's not a
law against it if it was consensual. Was Mtnjim's sexual encounter illegal because he was 14 and she was 13? I
didn't realize that 16-year olds were legally adults. We should give them voting privileges.
It's also ironic
that most movies with teen sexual activity in the 80's were ~PG-13, meaning 13-year olds are capable of watching
teens their age (please ignore that all actors in those movies are 18 pretending to be 14-16) go through
the sexual problems/encounters they experience every day but they obviously are too young to understand it.
Again, I'm not saying teens should have sex...I'm saying that we should treat them like adults and maybe
they would actually act like adults. It worked for me, but everyone always said I was mature for my age (mind of a
adult, heart of a child, body of a teenager). The only thing that's changed since then is a few years tacked onto
the body.
If your premise is "it worked for me"
don't you think that is too narrow of a test?
Plus a lot of school districts don't have the $ to have
such great sex ed programs like yours.
Pancho,
A couple points.
While a girl is physically capable of having sex at 13, her body is not ready for childbearing which is always a
possibility when you have sex. You mention that girls that age were having babies thousands of years ago but how
many of them died in childbirth and how many babies died? Do you know how long a person was likely to live during
that period? That is not a reasonable measure to judge by. There is also good medical evidence that a girl who
starts having sex that young is much more likely to develop female related problems later in life.
In some
states, for the purpose of sexual relations a sixteen year old is considered an adult and can be charged with rape.
In other states it is handled on a case by case basis in the courts.
Speaking again as a parent, there is a
great set of books, a boy's and a girl's version, called "What is happening to my body?". They are well written,
clear and concise with none of the BS, just facts about the human body and sexuality. It's designed to be given to
a kid so they can learn on their own. It also sends a message to the kid that you want them to know the truth and
will deal with them openly. I still remember the anti-drug classes in 7th grade. At least a third of the class knew
a big chunk of the info was BS so we didn't take any of it seriously. They tried to scare us away from drugs and it
didn't work because we knew they were lying. It would have been better to give us facts and encourage us to think
for ourselves. The same applies to sex. Teach them to be responsible people and help them make good decsions.
In
my opinion, it is NOT the school's job but the parents to teach the kids about sex.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Good points on all
counts. It's hard because everything mentioned varies person-to-person and state-to-state.
As for the last
point: true and right...but it's not going to happen. Parents are relying on schools to teach kids everything
now...that and television, that is...
students know how to do things like balance a check book and use credit cards responsibly because parents don't
teach them...sex is a part of health class and it should be taught as part of talking about the human body and
reproduction. Parents are so uncomfortable talking to their kids about sex that they'd rather ignore it and stick
with the, "Don't do it!" approach, which is bad. If they're not going to do it, someone should. I think
it's better to offer sex ed programs in inner city schools than to only offer daycare...an ounce of prevention...
No pancho, it isn't about age,
it's about maturity IN GENERAL, but at 13 no one has reached that maturity, physically or mentally. There's
nothing wrong with this statement logically. In general, whether or not one is ready for sex is about maturity. A
16 year old may be ready while his 19 year old brother is not. However, 13 year olds just CANNOT be ready. Sure,
they've hit puberty, and they CAN have sex, but that doesn't mean they should. After you hit puberty, your body
continues to change throughout puberty, and you mind is still slowly gets ready for these changes well after puberty
has ended. I don't believe that those just hitting puberty should have sex until they have a good grip on their
hormones and aren't having sex for the wrong reasons.
As for knowledge, by the age of 13, most students have
been given the basic "what's happening to my body?" talk about puberty, but sex ed usually hasn't happened yet.
They are very different things. In most public schools, kids get the puberty talk when they are 10 or 11, but do
not get the talk on sex, prevention, the possible consequences until they are 14 or 15, if at all since as bjf said
many cannot afford it.
Oh, and about the college students? I AM yelling at those who have sex with random
people without seriously having considered what they would do if they got pregnant. I think none of us are ever
really ready to have children at this age, and most college students definitely aren't, but at least they've
considered it and have a few options. You don't have to be psychologically prepared for childen, but you must be
psychologically prepared for the possibility of children.
Perhaps there exists out there a 13 year old
ready to have sex. Perhaps she started going through puberty when she was 8 and is done now. Perhaps she
completely understands how sex works, what can and cannot get her pregnant, and what prevention she can use.
Perhaps she even is pyschologically prepared for the possibility of children. I personally still don't think that
she should, but under these circumstances I am willing to concede that she is capable of making that decision
herself, and best of luck to her. Kris, with his lack of knowledge of how pregnancy can occur, clearly does not
fall into this type.
Pancho, I'm not saying that schools should teach the "you're too young for sex!" method.
I know quite well that this would be useless. However, sex ed should be taught in schools with great emphasis on
the consequences, while still friendly, communicative, and helpful. The above is how I would debate an issue and
present my views to adults, but not how I would teach my children. It's ridiculously obvious that there are better
ways to educate and raise children that will think before they leap.
~Silver
Like I said, research indicates that informed people
make better decisions (probably applies to most things, actually).
As for the $$$, the program involved a couple
of films and a couple of days in health class. The problem isn't money but the protesting parents that say they
don't want schools talking about sex. They think that talking about it promotes it, which anyone who studies the
subject (and countless public service announcements) would tell them otherwise.
yea but the 13 year old might
be a bit smarter ;-)
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