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    Recently, the possbility

    of BDC Concepts releasing a their water-based matrix which extends the release of the perception pheromones into a

    seperate product was discussed. It would just be the water based matrix itself, so that we could spray it on top

    of our colognes, and the scents would last far far longer.

    BDC came out and said they were interested in the

    idea, but they'd have to know their was ample demand to release such a product.

    Are you interested? Please

    let BDC know here that you'd like such a product.

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    would that not work the

    same way on the other mones as it works on perception, soe, te, ae?

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    Yea, but you'd still have the

    transdermal absorbtion with those products which leads to build-up. But as far as extended release, yes, you'd get

    extended release on whatever you'd put on it - a steady diffusion throughout the day.

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    That sounds like it would

    make your supply of mones last longer, That`s a good thing I think.

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    I'd buy it.

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    If the matriy would really work

    like that... perhaps intersesting. Would depend on the price of the product!

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    There is no question

    whatsoever that I would support this product ... There is none other like it on the market now ... This could be

    used with any Love Scent product as well as any traditional cologne ...

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    I'd definitely purchase this

    matrix product to 'lock in' what I had applied for longer periods of time. It's Pher. XR...

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    I second, third or fourth

    that. Need support for the idea, you'll get it.

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    Wouldn't this mess with a

    colognes "scent-pyramid", ie messing the rate of how the different notes in the cologne would be released?

    As

    the notes more or less AFAIU is defined on a molecular level, (ie a basenote have heavier molecules than a middle

    note which in turn is heavier than a topnote, creating the release pattern of topnotes -> middlenotes -> basenotes

    -> drydown), wouldn't this "delaying" product mess with this scheme, altering the scent?

    What I mean is that

    if the "protective layer" is sprayed over a regular scent, this would probably not just delay the release of the

    scent-molecules, but perhaps also mess with the releaserate of the different notes, thus altering the

    scent.

    // W

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    Realwiseman, wouldn't the top notes

    still diffuse quicker, as they are lighter molecules? I don't think it would mess with the scheme at all. The

    people who used perception over their cologne didn't seem to think it smelled differently, at least.

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    They probably would diffuse

    quicker, I was more thinking of the overall "signature" of a scent.

    But you are probably right, since people

    have tested Perception over a regular cologne.
    I would be interesting though to have a cologne one day and noting

    the development of the scent and another day with Perception over and compare the scents.

    I might even try

    this myself someday.
    Will keep you posted.

    // w

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    Would you have to spray it over top of your cologne and pheromones? Could you mix the two products

    together instead of spraying one over the other? What ratio would be necessary? Would 9 parts pheromones to 1 part

    matrix be a sufficient amount to time release the product hence extending the pheromone release evening out the

    pheromone signature. What would be the difference in mixing the matrix at home and the process conducted in the

    lab. How would that result in the laboratory product not being susceptible to transdermal take up and easy removal?

    Preventing build up and sustained release is the reason for the laboratory product. The advertisement says the

    polymer is the carrier that time releases the pheromone and prevents transdermal up take. Is this matrix not the

    polymer referred to?




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    The water base carrier prevents the

    stuff from sinking into lower levels of skin like a alcohol or oil would. The matrix just locks up the mones/scent,

    and then steadily releases the molecules.

    I am not sure if we've been getting our language wrong on this

    end, but I know that the thing that locks it in isn't the same as what prevents absorbtion like alcohol and oil

    encourages. I made this mistake once too, though, because you would think if it locks it in and prevents it from

    going into the air, it would also prevent it from sinking into the skin. But it doesn't lock in immediately, takes

    like 5 minutes to work, or something.

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    Question: Since the matrix binds

    the molecules and releases them slowly, wouldn't that also make the -mone's and the cologne less intense? Last

    longer, yes, but less intense?

    That having been said, I would still be willing to try it if it weren't too

    expensive and experiment with it. I think it might be something I'd like for my -mones, especially for daily wear,

    but not for my perfumes, so I'd probably experiment with putting the mones on, the matrix, and then the perfumes

    over it.

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    Maybe not, because it also

    stops the molecules from being absorbed into your skin.
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    Information about pheromones: Pheromone Information Library

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    At this late date, I

    want to put in my vote. I would buy the non-pheromone extender too.

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    If anyone is interested in the

    cologne extender, you can purchase Carbomer 940 (not sold here)
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    It would be easier, and probably

    cheaper, to just refresh your cologne. I carry a small atomizer at all times with a cologne/NPA/A-1 mix. Although

    Perception helps extend cologne life, it's expensive. Plus, preserved cologne is much weaker smelling than if you

    simply sprayed more on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    If anyone is

    interested in the cologne extender, you can purchase Carbomer 940 (not sold here)
    Carbomer of any

    type is used as a thickening agent and not related to the extended released properties of Perception and it's

    matrix. You can add carbomer to your product if you want to thicken it up a bit, but it's not going to directly

    effect the release properties. By the way, BDC has been off the boards a bit working on some other projects, but we

    still have a few tricks up our sleeves and you all just may get your wish.

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    i have to vote no on this

    one. now if BDC wanted to sell its cover scent to perception seperately, than id say i want 10 bottles. cologne

    extender in theory its good but camon. my mones work 12hours what more can i want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC_Concepts
    Carbomer of any type is used as a thickening agent and not related to the extended released

    properties of Perception and it's matrix. You can add carbomer to your product if you want to thicken it up a bit,

    but it's not going to directly effect the release properties. By the way, BDC has been off the boards a bit

    working on some other projects, but we still have a few tricks up our sleeves and you all just may get your

    wish.
    Thanks for clearing that up. I did a search on "Carbomer 940" and it didn't sound like the

    same thing as what creates the "cologne extension" properties in Perception. The websites I visited said it was for

    thickening. It may be useful if one wanted to make their own "gel packs," but I'm not interested in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegogi
    It would be easier,

    and probably cheaper, to just refresh your cologne. Although Perception helps extend cologne life, it's expensive.

    Plus, preserved cologne is much weaker smelling than if you simply sprayed more on.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    Sometimes lifes

    answers are just too simple to see.
    Would'ja mind if I second that?
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC_Concepts
    Carbomer of any

    type is used as a thickening agent and not related to the extended released properties of Perception and it's

    matrix. You can add carbomer to your product if you want to thicken it up a bit, but it's not going to directly

    effect the release properties. By the way, BDC has been off the boards a bit working on some other projects, but we

    still have a few tricks up our sleeves and you all just may get your wish.

    Look who's back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    Look

    who's back!
    ...we never left! We've just been extremely busy cooking up the next generation of

    products.

    Be on the lookout for the upcoming release...I'm sure the new products will absolutely blow your

    socks off in terms of performance and price.

    As an executive summary of our direction and focus:
    1.

    Pheromone ratio is fine
    2. Polymer matrix rocks
    3. Atomizers suck

    The matrix has been reformulated to

    enhance the time released characteristics and also be more flexible for use with other products. The main drawback

    to the previous formula is that alcohol addition (mostly from cologne application) would tend to decrease the

    effectiveness. We've buffered this effect and the next generation matrix should prove to be much better when

    combined with *insert alcohol based cologne name*.

    Bobby

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