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    Does anybody

    take/know if taking amino acids with protein has any benefits, or am I just adding more of what's already in the

    protein powder? I was thinking the amino acids that has 4 or 6 or 8 amino acids in them, I can't remember what

    they're called or how many, but it's not the complete amino line. I was told long ago that taking them was like

    eating a steak. ?

    I'm weighing 288 now, but for some reason, I've grown a gut ... eating three

    times a day, taking 20 grams of Whey + 5 grams of Cell Tech creatine before exercising, 32 grams of protein (MUSCLE

    MILK) + 5 grams of glutamine + 5 grams of CellTech creatine immediately after my workout, and three tablespoons of

    peanut butter + multivitamin and one B-100 before bed. I'm beginning to think it could be the Muscle Milk,

    and wanting to hit 295 without the beer gut would be reallll niiiiiiice.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated ...

    I've got to do something, 'cause I ain't liking me gut, but I can smell 295!

    Thanks for your time.



    P.S. I was also told that stress can make you fat ... anyone?
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    I heard something about if the amino

    acids aren't complete it doesn't help at all. Have you heard of the Bragg liquid amino's? Supposedly they

    don't do anythng because of this.

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    Wrong usage of words ... this is

    what I was talking about:

    Amino Acids:

    TRYPTOPHAN,

    LYSINE,

    METHIONINE,

    PHENYLALAINE,

    THREONINE,

    VALINE,

    LEUCINE & ISOLEUCINE, and the

    following

    Non-Essential Amino Acids:

    ARGININE,

    TYROSINE,

    GLYCINE,

    SERINE,

    GLUTAMIC ACID,

    ASPARTIC ACID,

    TAURINE,

    CYSTINE,

    HISTIDINE,

    PROLINE, &

    ALANINE.

    One type that I said

    didn't have all the amino acids that was suppose to be like eating a steak is Amino Acids.

    The complete type

    which would include the Amino Acids plus the non-essential Amino Acids, in which I heard could make you fat around

    the waist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    P.S. I was also

    told that stress can make you fat ... anyone?
    Stress------>Elevated

    Cortisol------>Estrogen------>Fat.

    Or sump'm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    Does

    anybody take/know if taking amino acids with protein has any benefits, or am I just adding more of what's already

    in the protein powder? I was thinking the amino acids that has 4 or 6 or 8 amino acids in them, I can't remember

    what they're called or how many, but it's not the complete amino line. I was told long ago that taking them was

    like eating a steak. ?

    I'm weighing 288 now, but for some reason, I've grown a gut ... eating

    three times a day, taking 20 grams of Whey + 5 grams of Cell Tech creatine before exercising, 32 grams of protein

    (MUSCLE MILK) + 5 grams of glutamine + 5 grams of CellTech creatine immediately after my workout, and three

    tablespoons of peanut butter + multivitamin and one B-100 before bed. I'm beginning to think it could be

    the Muscle Milk, and wanting to hit 295 without the beer gut would be reallll niiiiiiice.

    Any thoughts would be

    appreciated ... I've got to do something, 'cause I ain't liking me gut, but I can smell 295!

    Thanks

    for your time.

    P.S. I was also told that stress can make you fat ... anyone?
    First

    off you P.S. Holmes was pretty close with that... though Estrogen doesnt store fat around your Gut... Cortisol

    itself causes fat storage around the Organs... the worst kind... This is called VAT fat... for this try Absolved by

    Avant Labs. or any other 7-OXO product.

    As for the Aminos... these will not add fat... you can never have to

    many amino acids.. keep taking them. But the only things I see that can be hurting you is 1)the amount of sugar you

    are consuming... drop the cell tech (Nothing but WAY TO MUCH SUGAR, and a little creatine), instead just buy the

    basic Creatine Monohydrate... make sure its Micronized... will be completely tasteless.... also Muscle Milk has alot

    of sugar... so only take Post workout once a day... but dont drop it... cause Muscle Milk is great for building

    muscle... Im a strong believer in Colostrom (If you live by a dairy try getting the original stuff) also MM helps

    cut fat. and 3 table spoons of PB... I would only add 2 to my shake... and make sure it is NATURAL PB... otherwise

    it loses TONS of nutrients, and adds a whole shit load of sugar.

    And anyone who is into building like it sounds

    you are... Dont forget to add 1/2 cups of oats to each shake... Will keep you looking your best... trust me.

    If

    you need anything else.... Just ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    First off you

    P.S. Holmes was pretty close with that... though Estrogen doesnt store fat around your Gut... Cortisol itself

    causes fat storage around the Organs... the worst kind... This is called VAT fat... for this try Absolved by Avant

    Labs. or any other 7-OXO product.
    Adams,

    Does Absolved have caffeine in it?

    I've been

    using Lipo-Ultra for two weeks and can't deal with the jitters...

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    And anyone who

    is into building like it sounds you are... Dont forget to add 1/2 cups of oats to each shake... Will keep you

    looking your best... trust me.
    Oats? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes
    Adams,

    Does Absolved have caffeine in it?

    I've been using Lipo-Ultra for two weeks and

    can't deal with the jitters...

    Thanks.
    No absolved doesnt have Caffine... the most likely

    thing causing the jitters is Yohimbe in the Lipo... cause it absorbes for readily into the bloodstream... topical

    caffine tends to stay Subcuntanious (sp?)

    Oats is a GREAT source of complex carbs... the type that wont cause

    the dreaded insulin spike that starts the retenion of fat... not only that... but the fiber content will keep you

    looking your leanest... cause high fiber diets strips away fat quite nicely... one of the lost concepts in todays

    diets.

    If you throw in about a cup of oats a day into your diet... I can gaurentee you energy through out the

    day... and you will feel alot better, due to toxins being scrubbed through your body... And dont try just using a

    fiber subsitute either... they are no where near the same... Oats has both insouable and soluable fiber..... both

    doing their scrubbing.

    Couple all that with the Raising of HDL, and lowering of LDL Cholesterol, and you have

    one of the great "Not so secret" body building weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    First off you

    P.S. Holmes was pretty close with that... though Estrogen doesnt store fat around your Gut... Cortisol itself causes

    fat storage around the Organs... the worst kind... This is called VAT fat... for this try Absolved by Avant Labs. or

    any other 7-OXO product.

    As for the Aminos... these will not add fat... you can never have to many amino acids..

    keep taking them. But the only things I see that can be hurting you is 1)the amount of sugar you are consuming...

    drop the cell tech (Nothing but WAY TO MUCH SUGAR, and a little creatine), instead just buy the basic Creatine

    Monohydrate... make sure its Micronized... will be completely tasteless.... also Muscle Milk has alot of sugar... so

    only take Post workout once a day... but dont drop it... cause Muscle Milk is great for building muscle... Im a

    strong believer in Colostrom (If you live by a dairy try getting the original stuff) also MM helps cut fat. and 3

    table spoons of PB... I would only add 2 to my shake... and make sure it is NATURAL PB... otherwise it loses TONS of

    nutrients, and adds a whole shit load of sugar.

    And anyone who is into building like it sounds you are... Dont

    forget to add 1/2 cups of oats to each shake... Will keep you looking your best... trust me.

    If you need

    anything else.... Just ask.

    Adams
    GeezWeez! Thanks for all your knowledge, Signor Adams!



    No, not into bodybuilding, but enjoy keeping up the maintenance due to all kinds of body problems. Lifting keeps

    me from hurting so much.

    Again, a million thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    Dont forget

    to add 1/2 cups of oats to each shake... Will keep you looking your best... trust me.

    If you need anything

    else.... Just ask.

    Adams
    Signor Adams ... more ... what's up with oats, and oats in what form

    would blend in with a shake?

    Oats are highly nutritious and filled with cholesterol-fighting

    soluble fiber.


    Thanks!
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    Just read a couple post up

    about what is up with them.. .but as for me.. I just blend quaker oats into my shake (A nice blender is Key to

    anyone looking for a great physique)... it makes the shake a little gritty (Not to bad if you have one of the top

    of the line blenders though). Its great for your health period... and really benefits recomposistion of the body.

    Your body just starts to feel cleaner (Plus All the protien shakes all day sometimes seems to start backing up

    things

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    Just read a

    couple post up about what is up with them.. .but as for me.. I just blend quaker oats into my shake (A nice blender

    is Key to anyone looking for a great physique)... it makes the shake a little gritty (Not to bad if you have one of

    the top of the line blenders though). Its great for your health period... and really benefits recomposistion of the

    body. Your body just starts to feel cleaner (Plus All the protien shakes all day sometimes seems to start backing up

    things

    Adams
    GeezWeez! Don't know how , but I missed that post!

    Quaker oats

    it tis! Thanks, Signor Adams!
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    Forgot to ask ... 1/2 cup into

    every shake ... 4 shakes is my daily, so 4 times a day, and is that not too much oats?

    How many shakes

    do you drop a day, if I may?

    Again ... thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    Forgot to

    ask ... 1/2 cup into every shake ... 4 shakes is my daily, so 4 times a day, and is that not too much oats?



    How many shakes do you drop a day, if I may?

    Again ... thanks!
    No thats not to much

    oats... will fill you up through out the day. depending on your hunger and what not... or if a meal is coming up...

    you might just want to add 1/4 cup a shake... but youll have to be the judge of that.

    Me it all depends on how

    my day is... if I miss breakfast say... That is going to be 1.5 servings of muscle milk (To replace my 7 hardboiled

    eggs... whites only of course). I have 2 during mid meal (Between Breakfast, and lunch... and between lunch and

    dinner).... then I have another muscle milk right after workout... which I workout right after dinner. (Not the

    best time for a work out... but being deployed into this environment... I do what I can)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    No thats not

    to much oats... will fill you up through out the day. depending on your hunger and what not... or if a meal is

    coming up... you might just want to add 1/4 cup a shake... but youll have to be the judge of that.

    Me it all

    depends on how my day is... if I miss breakfast say... That is going to be 1.5 servings of muscle milk (To replace

    my 7 hardboiled eggs... whites only of course). I have 2 during mid meal (Between Breakfast, and lunch... and

    between lunch and dinner).... then I have another muscle milk right after workout... which I workout right after

    dinner. (Not the best time for a work out... but being deployed into this environment... I do what I can)



    Adams
    So you're saying you take 3 shakes per day, 4 if you miss breakfast ( 7 egg whites!? I may

    need to change my diet!), and you kinda sorta eat 3 good meals per day? Have you put on quality size since you've

    been doing this? Is Muscle Milk your only powedered protein source?

    Sorry, but my quest for knowledge when it

    comes to maintenance of the body, is priority as I age.

    Yes, being deployed into an hostile

    environment will have you doing what you can, and not what you want/really need to be doing. Just make sure you

    become friends with all the cooks, and the people in personnel.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts,

    Adam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    So you're

    saying you take 3 shakes per day, 4 if you miss breakfast ( 7 egg whites!? I may need to change my diet!),

    and you kinda sorta eat 3 good meals per day? Have you put on quality size since you've been doing this? Is Muscle

    Milk your only powedered protein source?

    Sorry, but my quest for knowledge when it comes to maintenance of the

    body, is priority as I age.

    Yes, being deployed into an hostile environment will have you doing

    what you can, and not what you want/really need to be doing. Just make sure you become friends with all the

    cooks, and the people in personnel.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Adam!
    Yes 3 meals a

    day (Because Chow hall is only open 3 times a day)... I have put on nothing but quality size... and muscle milk is

    slowly turning into my only protien source... but it does include quite a bit of sugar... so sometimes I just do

    pure whey... depends on my hungar factor... cause muscle milk fills me up pretty well. and also if its close to bed

    time... cause muscle milk has a lasting protien in it as well... good for night time... whey is metabolized in about

    2.5 - 3 hours... Casien it takes about 7... so better for that sleeping fasting period.

    I intake 6 sources a

    fuel a day... but only 3 of them are meals... I wish that was different.

    Oh most definately 7 egg whites... all

    good B vitamins, and great source of protien... without the saturated fats of the Yolks.

    Oh Im ALWAYS happy to

    share anything I know about fitness... its one of my life loves... and love discussing it.

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    Actually this is a response

    to Holmes Private Message... but his box is full.. so Im going to post it here.

    My Routine

    I have a 4 day

    split

    1st - Chest/Tri's
    2nd - Shoulders
    3rd - Legs
    4th - Back/Bi's
    5th - Rest
    Repeat

    Cardio and Abs

    in rotation every other day.

    And forearms whenever I feel like it.

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    Thanks Adams!

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    <<Any thoughts would be

    appreciated ... I've got to do something, 'cause I ain't liking me gut, but I can smell 295!>>

    Mobley you

    complete wuss! Any man worth his salt would be three bills. Don't sell yourself short on 295 man! I mean,

    really. 295 sounds tiny. 300? That's mansized!

    <<P.S. I was also told that stress can make you fat ...

    anyone?>>

    I know I stripped off about 30 pounds during the course of about a month and a half in what I would

    consider my most stressful period of my life. People probably deal with stress differently. I didn't eat. Some

    people might overeat.

    Now listening to: Shostakovich's Symphony No. 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacogoo
    <<Any thoughts

    would be appreciated ... I've got to do something, 'cause I ain't liking me gut, but I can smell 295!>>



    Mobley you complete wuss! Any man worth his salt would be three bills. Don't sell yourself short on 295 man! I

    mean, really. 295 sounds tiny. 300? That's mansized!

    <<P.S. I was also told that stress can make you fat ...

    anyone?>>

    I know I stripped off about 30 pounds during the course of about a month and a half in what I would

    consider my most stressful period of my life. People probably deal with stress differently. I didn't eat. Some

    people might overeat.

    Now listening to: Shostakovich's Symphony No. 9
    Sagoo ... WUSS R US! If

    I get 295 and it's acceptable to me (without the beer holder), 300 is next on the menu.

    The

    stress came from Accounting ... I dropped it three weeks ago!

    Adams, I was doing a similar split, except I took

    Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday off. Now I'm working on POF, but I working 5 straight days. Each month, a new body

    part gets worked twice a week ... like this month is BACK & BICEP month, so back and bis get worked Monday and

    Friday ... next month it will be SHOULDER & TRAPS month, etc. etc.

    Annnnd, I got my Quaker Oats today ...

    tomorrow's breakfast 1 8 oz. low fat blueberry yogurt, one banana, 1/2 cup of oats, in 3 cups of water.



    Thanks again for the idea.
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    I think Muscle Milk is the

    best stuff ever. Cell tech has too much sugar as noted. Plus remember that Musce Milk HAS Creatine already. I think

    if you just use Muscle Milk everyday you'll gain muscle and get leaner. This stuff works great for me, plus the gym

    I work out at sells for $20.00 somehow. I think its an error in their pricing system because I know the wholesale

    price for MuscleMilk is like $18.00!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vette8113
    I think

    Muscle Milk is the best stuff ever. Cell tech has too much sugar as noted. Plus remember that Musce Milk HAS

    Creatine already. I think if you just use Muscle Milk everyday you'll gain muscle and get leaner. This stuff works

    great for me, plus the gym I work out at sells for $20.00 somehow. I think its an error in their pricing system

    because I know the wholesale price for MuscleMilk is like $18.00!
    Thats a sharp price, for not being from

    the internet.

    Though dont stop your creatine... Muscle Milk has a creatine preanaloge. Really just helps the

    body use creatine from meats more more efficiently.

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    Protein and Amino Acids alone will

    produce results, but its up to you whether or not you see those results. If you PM me with your goals and current

    stats(height, weight, age), I can recommend the right courses to take to progress towards your goals.

    You

    don't need a whole bunch of different supplements and shit to begin with. Just stick to the basics until you

    plateau are just are not seeing any gains. And even when your not seeing any gains, most of the time its because YOU

    are doing something wrong in your training or recuperation.

    Whey Protein, a solid Multi-Vitamin, Creatine

    Monohydrate(or tri-creatine malate), amino acids/BCAAs(if not included in your protein shake), a proper diet, and

    water is all you need to get REAL gains. If you have further questions or comments drop me a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sito
    Protein and

    Amino Acids alone will produce results, but its up to you whether or not you see those results. If you PM me with

    your goals and current stats(height, weight, age), I can recommend the right courses to take to progress towards

    your goals.

    You don't need a whole bunch of different supplements and shit to begin with. Just stick to the

    basics until you plateau are just are not seeing any gains. And even when your not seeing any gains, most of the

    time its because YOU are doing something wrong in your training or recuperation.

    Whey Protein, a solid

    Multi-Vitamin, Creatine Monohydrate(or tri-creatine malate), amino acids/BCAAs(if not included in your protein

    shake), a proper diet, and water is all you need to get REAL gains. If you have further questions or comments drop

    me a PM.
    Where exactly did someone suggest a whole bunch of different supplements??? And why did you

    capitalize REAL gains??? because I do use quite a few different supplements... therefore are mine not real???



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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    Where exactly did

    someone suggest a whole bunch of different supplements??? And why did you capitalize REAL gains??? because I do

    use quite a few different supplements... therefore are mine not real???

    Adams
    I wasn't

    implying that anyone in the thread mentioned different supplements. I'm just voicing my opinion because usually in

    threads like this one; someone brings up some supplement(s) that are not needed and make outlandish claims of their

    gains on it.

    When I said real gains I was refering once again to people who might bring up some supplement

    that is really not needed to see the same gains that you can get from just sticking to the most basic (and less

    expensive) supplements. However, many times people who experience gains on some supplement that really isn't need,

    lose the whatever gains or effects they experienced from that product in time. I know this from personal experience

    because I have had my fair share of supplements that were not "essential", and I always lost whatever gains I got

    from it in the long run. This actually applies to Creatine as well, but Creatine is something that can be found in

    our own diet so in a away its an essential supplement.

    I'm not saying the supplements you use are crap. I

    was directing my entire post to the cat who started the thread looking for information regarding what to take. There

    are tons of scams out there and products that make false claims. I was just trying to infer to it in my original

    post rather than blurting it out like I just did.

    If I offended you or the supplements you use I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sito
    I wasn't

    implying that anyone in the thread mentioned different supplements. I'm just voicing my opinion because usually in

    threads like this one; someone brings up some supplement(s) that are not needed and make outlandish claims of their

    gains on it.

    When I said real gains I was refering once again to people who might bring up some supplement that

    is really not needed to see the same gains that you can get from just sticking to the most basic (and less

    expensive) supplements. However, many times people who experience gains on some supplement that really isn't need,

    lose the whatever gains or effects they experienced from that product in time. I know this from personal experience

    because I have had my fair share of supplements that were not "essential", and I always lost whatever gains I got

    from it in the long run. This actually applies to Creatine as well, but Creatine is something that can be found in

    our own diet so in a away its an essential supplement.

    I'm not saying the supplements you use are crap. I was

    directing my entire post to the cat who started the thread looking for information regarding what to take. There are

    tons of scams out there and products that make false claims. I was just trying to infer to it in my original post

    rather than blurting it out like I just did.

    If I offended you or the supplements you use I apologize.

    No offense taken... I just tend to let my thoughts fly. You make some good points... about the only thing I dont

    agree with is your creatine thoughts... Yes I do agree when you come off of it you do loose some weight... but all

    that you loose is the water you were retaining from it... quite a bit of quality muscle will retain through... and

    yes we do get some creatine through our diet... but not near enough to show the results you want (From creatine at

    least)... and plus you miss that glorius energy that tends to just throw up the weight for you

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    Well I found that using other

    creatine products like TriCreatine Malate causes permanent results and no water retention. The best one I've used

    was Swole V.2 by Syntrax. The Tricreatine is also absorbed more efficiently when compared to regular monohydrate

    plus there is no loading phase.

    I lost whatever gains I had on creatine monohydrate once I stopped using it.

    But with other creatine products like Swole V.2, I maintained those results to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sito
    Well I found

    that using other creatine products like TriCreatine Malate causes permanent results and no water retention. The best

    one I've used was Swole V.2 by Syntrax. The Tricreatine is also absorbed more efficiently when compared to regular

    monohydrate plus there is no loading phase.

    I lost whatever gains I had on creatine monohydrate once I stopped

    using it. But with other creatine products like Swole V.2, I maintained those results to this day.
    Well

    they are exactly the same thing, just different carrier... but that aside... if you like TriCreatine... then try the

    designer creatine "Creatine Ethyl Ester"... very effective form of creatine.

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    Yea I already bought some but I'm

    not starting any supplements until I head back home in December. I saw serious gains without ANY supplements while

    I've been away at college. Just been eating right, lifting everyday, and sleeping. I'm starting to believe that

    while I was taking supplements they was actually holding me back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982
    Dont forget

    to add 1/2 cups of oats to each shake... Will keep you looking your best... trust me.

    Adams
    I highly

    agree with you on this one as I always add oats to my smoothies/shakes. Oatmeal has been found to reduce

    cholesterol, boost energy and sex drive, maintain blood sugar levels, fight: heart disease, obesity, colon

    cancer, & diabetes among other things.

    Never can have too much fiber, complex carbohydrates are a plus too. I

    recommend unflavored, unsweetened (don't need any added sugar), Instant Oatmeal.

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