Overdose

[private]

Hello,

Quite interessting

reading the board.
I saw some posts about overdosing AndrosteNONE, and people got negative responses.

I am

interessting what about overdosing AndrosteNOL ?
That Pheromone is not used for showing male dominanz, so i guess

there won't be bad experience.

Got today Pheromania 4Match Man Pocket Spray
It has 7ml content, and according

to the supplier 16% of it is an AndostreNOL concentrate.
According to my last talk with the Supplier the Amount of

AndrosteNOL is one quarter of what is contained into Pheromax product.
So according to my information Pheromax

product contains 3mg AndrosteNONE and 2mg AndrosteNOL per 14ml bottle.
AndrosteNOL 2mg / 14ml = 0,14 mg/ml
So

4Match Man Pocket Spray contains approx. 0,035mg/ml multiplying with 7ml = 0,245mg AndrosteNOL

Anyone every

tried to overdose AndrosteNOL?
And what would be a normal dose from it?

-private

[MOBLEYC57]

Hello,

Quite

interessting reading the board.
I saw some posts about overdosing AndrosteNONE, and people got negative

responses.

I am interessting what about overdosing AndrosteNOL ?
That Pheromone is not used for showing male

dominanz, so i guess there won't be bad experience.

Got today Pheromania 4Match Man Pocket Spray
It has 7ml

content, and according to the supplier 16% of it is an AndostreNOL concentrate.
According to my last talk with the

Supplier the Amount of AndrosteNOL is one quarter of what is contained into Pheromax product.
So according to my

information Pheromax product contains 3mg AndrosteNONE and 2mg AndrosteNOL per 14ml bottle.
AndrosteNOL 2mg / 14ml

= 0,14 mg/ml
So 4Match Man Pocket Spray contains approx. 0,035mg/ml multiplying with 7ml = 0,245mg AndrosteNOL



Anyone every tried to overdose AndrosteNOL?
And what would be a normal dose from it?

-private

Private,

you have Pherlure and Pheromania 4Match spray? Why don't you just experiment, and let us know ... Bruce could be

missing out on a gold mine, since he sells neither?

[private]

Private, you

have Pherlure and Pheromania 4Match spray? Why don't you just experiment, and let us know ... Bruce could be

missing out on a gold mine, since he sells neither?

Well I doubt he looses anything.
Basicly

Pherlure is nice, because it is only AndrosteNONE
and Pheromania 4Match is just AndrosteNOL
there are no hidden

stuffs in it. So it is nice to just experiment with it, knowning what I put on my body.
Any other product having

the same thing into it, will be fine.

-private

[BassMan]

Anyone every tried

to overdose AndrosteNOL?
And what would be a normal dose from it?
-private

There have been talks of

headaches from nol ODs. Nothing too serious.

Some points of reference:

AE is 4 none:3 nol:2 rone. If you

applied a 0.020mg dose of none, you'd have 0.015mg of nol.

Perception is 4 nol:2 none:2 rone. If you applied

the recommended dose of 0.020mg of none, you'd have 0.040mg of nol.

SOE contains 0.400mg/ml of nol, and has

been measured at 28inches/ml. At a commonly recommended 5inch dose, you'd have 0.071mg of nol.

SOE gel contains

0.13mg of nol per pack. At a recommended dose of 1/3 pack, you'd have 0.041mg nol.

That help?

-Bass

[Pancho1188]

ODing on -nol is known to

occasionally cause the following:

-Headaches
-Downness ("Depression", but in the layperson form...not clinical

depression)
-Sadness
-Overtalkativeness
-May cause isolation if the OD brings others down because they won't

want to be around you
-Nothing (as in negates the positive effects you should experience with -nol)

However, it

is hard to OD on -nol and less is written about it than -none ODs.

[private]

There have been

talks of headaches from nol ODs. Nothing too serious.

Some points of reference:

AE is 4 none:3 nol:2 rone.

If you applied a 0.020mg dose of none, you'd have 0.015mg of nol.

Perception is 4 nol:2 none:2 rone. If you

applied the recommended dose of 0.020mg of none, you'd have 0.040mg of nol.

SOE contains 0.400mg/ml of nol, and

has been measured at 28inches/ml. At a commonly recommended 5inch dose, you'd have 0.071mg of nol.

SOE gel

contains 0.13mg of nol per pack. At a recommended dose of 1/3 pack, you'd have 0.041mg nol.

That help?



-Bass

Thanks Bass.
So if for SOE recommends 0,041mg - 0,071mg of nol, and i take the higher number 0,071mg

of nol
That would mean ...
1 spray at a such small spray should be around 0,08 ml/spray
To reach 1 ml out of

the spray i need 12-13 sprays
1 ml contains around 0,035mg nol
So i need to apply 2ml. which would then be 24-26

sprays for a "normal" dosis.

does that make sense?

-private

[DrSmellThis]

Overconversion to unpleasant

mones (e.g., -none) is another downside of too much -nol.

[private]

Overconversion to unpleasant mones (e.g., -none) is another downside of too much -nol.

mhhh so in other words -nol destructs to some part to -none ??
Never heard that. I thought i just apply what is

into the bottle. there is only -nol included into that bottle.
So what you are saying is that when i put -nol on

there will be -none too, even if it is not included into the bottle???

[DrSmellThis]

Sounds like you get it.

That's why I keep straight -nol away from more bacterial areas, and just use as much as I need.

[private]

Sounds like

you get it. That's why I keep straight -nol away from more bacterial areas, and just use as much as I need.

very interessting, it means the chemical structure of -nol is weak and due to outside influences it can break down

to -none.
Thanks for the hint!

[BassMan]

Thanks Bass.
So if

for SOE recommends 0,041mg - 0,071mg of nol, and i take the higher number 0,071mg of nol
That would mean ...
1

spray at a such small spray should be around 0,08 ml/spray
To reach 1 ml out of the spray i need 12-13 sprays
1

ml contains around 0,035mg nol
So i need to apply 2ml. which would then be 24-26 sprays for a "normal" dosis.



does that make sense?

-private

If indeed that product contains 0.035mg/ml, you're going to use it up

fast. I'd use 5-6 sprays - 0.018mg, at the bottom of the 15-71 range - to start, then work up from there. By the

time you use it up, you can get a higher conc product on order from here.

[private]

If indeed that

product contains 0.035mg/ml, you're going to use it up fast. I'd use 5-6 sprays - 0.018mg, at the bottom of the

15-71 range - to start, then work up from there. By the time you use it up, you can get a higher conc product on

order from here.

which one do you recommend for my -nol dosis? i guess SOE?

[BassMan]

which one do you

recommend for my -nol dosis? i guess SOE?

Everyone here has their own favorite. I use chem set nol, but I

make rather complicated mixes.

[private]

inspired by this thread, i went

today for a bit to the disco. to try out a bit the dose.
I spray 20 times from the 4Match spray, which should have

resulted in around 0,056mg -nol. (I used no -none!)
I found it quite nice to have a such not concentrated spray, as

i could put it on all parts that are not covered by clothes.

Here is what i noticed :
Took a Corona Beer and

the Barkeeper was kind of lost, he was waiting for like 5 seconds thinking on what he forgot, and then he just gave

me the beer without the lemon. Very Strange. Never saw a Barkeeper this dis-orientated.
Then i was on the dance

floor, i noticed girls around half a meter away from me to put their hair back from time to time.
Then i had one

girl dancing in front of me, and she always came a bit nearer.

Really not sure if this is the result of the

sprays i took, or if that would have happend without the -nol too ...
i still do not fully trust this, need to see

first real results. no hit so far. will keep you updated.

-private

[private]

2nd day testing.
Showered

myself, to make sure the previous day pheromones are washed off.
Then i sprayed 20 times again with the same -nol

stuff.
I noticed that i am not fully spraying each time, so i guess i should have a real concentration of 0,050mg

-nol only.

Then i went to a disco, was all going fine, waitress noticed me right away, and was nice.
Ok went to

the next disco.
Picked up a tramping girl, and after a bit she really got chatty. That was kind of interessting -

just her boyfriend was with her ...

Then in front of that disco the door keeper did not let me in. Was kind of

strange, I wore the same stuff like last time i went there, but this time he did not like it, and refused the

entrance.

Still testing, is it normal that men react in a such way??

-private

[bigdog]

You could have a none OD. A

shower will not necessarily rid the mones applied from the previous day. Especially if the nol converted to

none.


People can act different day to day regardless of Pheromones. Especially many bar employees which

can be big doofuses. I have ran into a number of instances when bouncers and bar patrons have sensed the none from

me and have tried to act really tough. It's as if they sense high masculinity and are out to prove a point that are

the king of the establishment. It's kinda like the jungle when male lions battle for their territory and female.

[private]

You could have a

none OD. A shower will not necessarily rid the mones applied from the previous day. Especially if the nol converted

to none.


People can act different day to day regardless of Pheromones. Especially many bar employees which

can be big doofuses. I have ran into a number of instances when bouncers and bar patrons have sensed the none from

me and have tried to act really tough. It's as if they sense high masculinity and are out to prove a point that are

the king of the establishment. It's kinda like the jungle when male lions battle for their territory and

female.

i had the pheromones on my skin, and not on my clothes, so afterall on the skin they last for like 8

hours, also i used around 0,05-0,07 mg -nol.
The question is just how -nol breaks to -none. If it is not 1 -nol

Molecule breaks down to 2 -none Molecules then i doubt that could be an overdose?
Please correct me if i am wrong,

but according to my research a level of 0,12mg+ -none would be an OD?
Mhhh ... I should add that i am 22 years old

... so maybe my body -mones production is possibly into the best times and i can more easily OD it. just a

thought.

On the other side that girl was really nice talking with me, even she had her boyfriend with her. That

was a good positive effect for me. I could smell that she has had something to drink before. With a -nol/-none OD

she would have been more scary, instead of beeing so chatty?

-private

[bigdog]

Too many put too much emphasis on

mones. Especially in a club where people act differently each time they go out and with alcohol involved. Mones are

a very small factor and should not be interpreted as the main reason people do what they do. I find many read too

much into mones as being the reason people act as they do but they are mistaken. A smile can be an attribute of

someone's personality. A brush against one can be accident, the alcohol or a reaction of how one feels that night.

Perhaps the person just likes the way one looks or acts mones or no mones. Too many posters attribute something as

a mone hit when it's not. If many people react a certain way out of the norm during a period than likely could be

hits. If a female basically comes up and attacks blatantly or is screaming to be picked up than that could be the

mones. There have not been many instances of these occurrences posted here.

[Watcher]

Considering pheromones on their

own (without the distorted reality views etc) they are a small view yes - but in the instances where you can OD on

ANol and real observable pheromone related responses - as mentioned above headaches especially

What about

Arone OD - well it tends to bring gay guys out of the woodwork.

But its easy enough to guage an OD of any

product people are not reacting as posivitiley as they do they may even be very negative or avoiding in which ase

you probably can tone it down a bit using less next time.

[Friendly1]

If a female

basically comes up and attacks blatantly or is screaming to be picked up than that could be the mones. There have

not been many instances of these occurrences posted here.

Most of the guys who post are pretty

conservative in their reports. I haven't had any women chase me down the street, demanding I have sex with them,

but I have had my butt grabbed by strangers and I've been kissed by women I've only known a few hours, had women

hang all over me, rub their breasts all over me, etc., etc.

The more Androstenone I apply (I am 44 years old),

the more likely these kinds of hits will happen. But if I apply too much, nothing happens, or bad things happen.

Your mileage may vary. Tax, tags, title, and commissions not included. Be sure to read the fine print before

signing the contract.

[Watcher]

at 44 you probably need more than

say myself who is mid 20s so that has a point.

But yes we tend to be conservative because women chasing me

down the street has only happened 4 or 5 times in 7 years of using pheromones

Occasionally they ask me to

fcuk em and the usually kissing, cuddling and fondling of my bottom and other areas. But also remember i use

pheromones all the time and actually get out socially a fairly sizeable chunk of my time. So i get the scatter

approach where i get to interact with a lot of females and that leads to more occarenses of pheromone

reactions.

Then of course there is the ones that wont shut up - persist on talking to me, hanging around

without talking to me - get the gigles if i hang around - they might not realise its me but they start talking

excessivley - the hairflipping foot tapping etc on subconscious body language not to mention aggressive or over

friendly guys - gay guys cracking onto me - idiot males with their cock balling moves if im chatting to an

attractive girl - what else free drinks - useful investment tips, offers of free massages, then of course there are

the increased sales while working in retail. Ok to much to go on about but 7 years and using them all the time i

can live without em but they are what i prefer to call

A social lubricant.

[private]

at 44 you

probably need more than say myself who is mid 20s so that has a point.

But yes we tend to be conservative

because women chasing me down the street has only happened 4 or 5 times in 7 years of using pheromones



Occasionally they ask me to fcuk em and the usually kissing, cuddling and fondling of my bottom and other areas.

But also remember i use pheromones all the time and actually get out socially a fairly sizeable chunk of my time. So

i get the scatter approach where i get to interact with a lot of females and that leads to more occarenses of

pheromone reactions.

Then of course there is the ones that wont shut up - persist on talking to me, hanging

around without talking to me - get the gigles if i hang around - they might not realise its me but they start

talking excessivley - the hairflipping foot tapping etc on subconscious body language not to mention aggressive or

over friendly guys - gay guys cracking onto me - idiot males with their cock balling moves if im chatting to an

attractive girl - what else free drinks - useful investment tips, offers of free massages, then of course there are

the increased sales while working in retail. Ok to much to go on about but 7 years and using them all the time i can

live without em but they are what i prefer to call

A social lubricant.

Well yesterday i think i had

some success with mones. I was having a business meeting with some collegues of me in a bar, and there was this girl

always starring at me, and showing a bright smile. That did not happen to me for a long time. But not sure if that

was really the -mones ... she was like 2-3 meters away from me, i doubt she would smell it from there, although

there was not much people there, and few smoke into the air.

Watcher, You appear to be into same age range as

me. My personally opinion on the mones is that it depends a lot on the age on what you need, as the body produces

himself more mones with mid 20 than with mid 40 for example.
For a daily usage, what is your mix?

[Friendly1]

But not sure if

that was really the -mones ... she was like 2-3 meters away from me, i doubt she would smell it from there, although

there was not much people there, and few smoke into the air.

2-3 meters is close enough for a pheromone

effect. I swear, there are times when I am in my car, with the windows rolled up, and I get looks from women in

cars next to me, or walking down the street, that I just don't recall getting before I started wearing

pheromones.

The more you get out and socialize, the more hits you are bound to get.

[bjf]

2-3 meters is close

enough for a pheromone effect. I swear, there are times when I am in my car, with the windows rolled up, and I get

looks from women in cars next to me, or walking down the street, that I just don't recall getting before I started

wearing pheromones.

The more you get out and socialize, the more hits you are bound to get.

I

hear you on that. Wierd, right? It was talked about on these forums a while back ago and I think we came up with a

reasonable conclusion. I think it was body language. But maybe there was something else.

[Traggard]

In my experience the effective

range of mones is about 0.5 meters or so. For instance, I had a hit on a train where a girl reacted not all when she

sat about 1.5 meters away and I was in her line of vision the whole time. But she started to play with her hair like

crazy when she had to change seat and sit closer to me.

If you get hits from several meters away I think it is

body language or looks.

[Friendly1]

In my

experience the effective range of mones is about 0.5 meters or so. For instance, I had a hit on a train where a girl

reacted not all when she sat about 1.5 meters away and I was in her line of vision the whole time. But she started

to play with her hair like crazy when she had to change seat and sit closer to me.

A lot of things can

affect a person's behavior.

Women will stop and stare at guys wearing strong pheromone applications in a range

of about 10-15 feet. It has happened to me and I have seen other guys report it. So, proximity matters but other

factor also apply. If you are in a large crowd, your pheromone signature won't stand out as much (unless you go

for OD or near-OD).

I went to Elvia's here in Houston (I moved back) last night and had plenty of hits from

women near me but none (that I noticed) from women across the room.

[Watcher]

Private at the moment by mix

is

Perception 2-3 sprays in the morning(1 on the head, 1 on throat and 1 on front of shirt)
No chikara

today (have been using a small amount under my nose)
Its very hot where i am so that is the max
1 refresher

spray on my throat around lunch.

Thats it at the moment just using up my bottle of perception giving it a

good work - it is one of the better products in terms of effectivness for myself.

reactions are consistant

and at times stronger than normal.
(im mid 20s age wise)

[private]

Private at the

moment by mix is

Perception 2-3 sprays in the morning(1 on the head, 1 on throat and 1 on front of shirt)
No

chikara today (have been using a small amount under my nose)
Its very hot where i am so that is the max
1

refresher spray on my throat around lunch.

Thats it at the moment just using up my bottle of perception giving

it a good work - it is one of the better products in terms of effectivness for myself.

reactions are consistant

and at times stronger than normal.
(im mid 20s age wise)

Thanks for the info.
You lucky guy, here it is

snowing ... had already today alone 30cm new snow outside.
So it is cold. Kind of hard to apply -mones when you

have to wear a lot because it is cold outside.
According to what you said you apply less when its hot and more when

its cold?

-private

[eric_pelletier_tw]

well need to test

more... but i got pee smell from SoE Gel/men at about a drop of the thing (verry smal one1x2x2mm) & i have put as

much as 1/4 pk of TE scented/gel/men

i kinda think this is wierd: im 27 male looking avg [hetero]


like i

saw somwhere: results may vary[so does reactions...]