There's a booklet called "Critical
Moments & Bridges" that comes with DeAngelo's DYD, which is all about that topic. I obviously can't post it here
but, hey, I gave you directions
Yoel
Did a
search on here and google and couldnt find anything like this. Im trying to find a guide of standards for typical
dating. What I mean is, what is expected on first dates? Dinner dates? Second dates? When to continue?
I
understand that someone has to look for "roadsigns" to figure out when they should move forward, but Im just curious
if there is a regular guide to the rate that this goes?
Like for instance: First date, expected to hold her
hand while walking, open doors, pull out her chair, etc. Second date: in addition to first date stuff... so and
so
I know that this differs from person to person but there has got to be a norm somewhere that alot of
people fall into. Anyone seen anything like this? Or maybe can post one?
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There's a booklet called "Critical
Moments & Bridges" that comes with DeAngelo's DYD, which is all about that topic. I obviously can't post it here
but, hey, I gave you directions
Yoel
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Sheesh, go with the flow and
improvise as the moment unfolds. That doesn't mean you can't have a plan for the date but basic manners (opening
doors, being on time, etc.) should be a given (except for true feminists, let them open the door). If you get all
stiff and formulaic it can be a big turnoff for the woman. They want you to listen to the ryhthm of their heart and
respond appropriately. Trust me, if she wants her hand held, you'll know.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
There's a lot of stuff here.
Basically, for some people, reading signs is intuitive, others it is not. So you can read up on stuff in here,
click on dating and flirting. The link has been posted on here quite a while ago, but I'm going to put it on the
newbies click here because I couldn't dig it up when I looked for it on the forum.
http://digilander.libero.it/linguaggiodelcorpo/biblio/
well there has been many threads
on this topic. about dating and handling women. but they just scratch the very surface... i would lean to yoel's
comment. yes, DYD is very helpful. just attach the whole DYD mentality to your soul and you will go far
are you paying? if yes, goodbye to your money! never buy her aDinner dates?
dinner in the first dates, never! trust me on this, it's not good and it does not get you further. do NOT try to
impress her that you can pay the dinner.
make herwhat is expected on first dates
laugh and do not be unpredictable. read her and ask her questions. do not tell so much about yourself, just ask her
questions. women LOVE to talk about themselves. echo her, make her laugh, tease a little, and END the date early =
YES. she will be missing you more after this. never be needy! do not try to hang on to her like little puppy, be the
alpha male and tell her what to do.
+ something like this.
phinmone
Originally Posted by phinmone
like phinmone said. you have to kill your old social programming and all the conditioning that society has done
to you.
never spend money on women you don't know well. if you wouldn't buy your best friend dinner would you
buy a female you don't know well dinner?
Everyone loves to talk about themselves. People have an inherent need to feelOriginally Posted by phinmone
important. If you can fulfill that need in anyone, you have just developed rapport.
what i like to add
more:
do not act like a wussy and think "oh, should i hold her hand". try to get the situation moreOriginally Posted by CollegeStudent
loose by for example taking her hand and say "no handsholding this early!" and let go. this makes the situation
funny and you are in a funny way accusing her for taking your hand in her hand.
learn the cocky + funny
attitute and tease her. always open doors, women really appreciate this. what i do, i open the door and say "ladies
first" with a serious face then smile.
but one of the important things on dates (usually the first ones) in
order to make her feel more attraction (but you have to know that she likes you - and these sings you can read in
the first time you meet her, easy) is to end the date by the time when you are having fun (or just short after that)
and feeling great.
yeah-.
This has beenOriginally Posted by phinmone
recommended on the forum before:
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/s
howthread.php?t=11137&highlight=hand+holding+early
Is there something I'm missing? If I were a girl, I'd
give you the most puzzled look and think you were psychotic. I know this one person who would do the same, and I
even have the look in my mind on how she would stare at me if I did that.
I get the recommendation of joking
about the stupid 'process' of relationships (I like talking about it because it's so dumb to just be all awkward
and ignore it), but exclaiming, "No hand-holding this early!" after taking her hand makes it look like you're
schizophrenic or multiple-personality or something.
Am I wrong? Somebody tell me I'm not
schizophrenic...
telling her you don't want to
hold her hand turns you into the prize and brings her into the frame that she wants you.
You'll need to be convincing in
your new role to be successful, so enrolling in an acting class would be a good idea.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
@Pancho:
You're psycho! Psycho
I tell you! Somebody pin him down!
The thing is, it was phinmone that time too
I think he's coming
from a misinterpretation (exaggeration?) of one of DeAngelo's teases. It actually should go like this: you stretch
out your hand casually like you are offering it to her but looking elsewhere, then when she grabs it you act
surprised and deliver the remark, that way it's funny
Yoel
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The grab-bitch move? Well, maybe
it's funny to see it, but outright weird. As in, you don't want to give the girl the impression that you're a
crackhead now, do you?
What you want to do instead is "telling" her she's the one making moves on you. Because as
soon as she feels being rejected (even if she isn't making any move at all!) she'll come back to win you. And
that's about the point of this, not the wackiness.
Yoel
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[QUOTE=Pancho1188Am I wrong?
Somebody tell me I'm not schizophrenic... [/QUOTE]
Panch, of course you're not
schizophrenic, so calm down and go with these nice men in the white coats!
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
[QUOTE=Mtnjim][QUOTE=Pancho1188Am I wrong? Somebody tell me I'm not schizophrenic... Panch, of
course you're not schizophrenic, so calm down and go with these nice men in the white coats! [/QUOTE]
Pancho everything is ok. Come along now. We have a nice shot for you. It will make you feel relaxed
and very good. Well lookie here at this nice white jacket that ties in the back, it will keep you nice and cozy wile
you sleep in your special room we prepared just for you. Come along now. We are here to help you.
Yes, it was me back then TOO. well it is meant as an exaggeration. and it shouldOriginally Posted by Yoel
be meant as a joke too and not taken so seriously (so panchos reaction of being super serious about this is wrong
). when i meet a girl, i joke about her tease and they do not misinterpret this action = they do not look confused,
they smile or laugh. i am convincing, have been doing some acting on stage, i know what i am doing!
but
yoel's interpretation could work for some persons too, but it would not be something for me.
the problem i
had before summer 2004 was that i was too serious. but after learning the right tactics and having C+F attitude in
my soul, working wonders on me!
Phin,
we are talking about
different styles here I guess...
I bet you've seen the DYD dvd seminar, I sense some Mark (or whatever was the
dorky guy called). I mean, not that his approach is bad in any way (since he had amazing success and all, being the
first guest there proved it), but if you are not REALLY good at it you came off as the jester (funny but not cocky),
and as trying hard to get her attention.
Actually, maybe I'm exaggerating it too. Now that I think of it, if
you teased the girl about trying to pick you up before (and I bet you did ) that could work as well, as a
recurring tease. My suggestion comes handy if you haven't already had the opportunity of busting her balls on her
forwardness
Yoel
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Thanks, Yoel. That makes sense (toOriginally Posted by Yoel
play on my schizo joke, that way you're talking to her and it doesn't look like you're talking to yourself).
I think the misunderstanding is my interpretation of such an act as described by phinmone:
"*Reaches for hand*
No! It's too early for hand-holding!"
"Must have chocolate...*Reaches for chocolate*...No! No
chocolate for you! You're on a diet!"
I'm imagining the tone of voice like George Costanza saying, "These
pretzels...are making me thirsty!"
Since no one else thinks this is a dangerous move, I'll
assume that the girls I've gone out with are either sensitive and would be offended by such a remark or are laid
back and would question such an emotional outburst, humorous or otherwise.
Omg Pancho, I didn't even get you were thinking ofOriginally Posted by Pancho1188
that, that's freaking hilarious!
Yoel
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I'm sure women love it when you tell them they're wrong.Originally Posted by phinmone
-No, it's too early for
hand-holding!
--*Blank stare/questioning look* Uhhh...okay...
-You're supposed to laugh! It's a joke! You take
things too seriously.
--Uhhh...okay...
The above conversation is what would happened to me if I said that to
someone.
90% of first dates go nowhere
thats a fact - women are specific with taking things further treat each new date as a learning experience use it for
confidence of course have some pheromones on it enhances youre presence. just go with the flow if it doesnt work
out there are of course other women out there.
If youe overweight lose the weight women want guys that have
nice looking bodies.
And then you headbutt her impromptu and runOriginally Posted by Pancho1188
away.
Yoel
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See? Wouldn'tOriginally Posted by Yoel
that make you look like a psycho? That's why I say it's dangerous. That's also why your alternative made sense
because you were definitely talking to her instead of maybe looking like you're talking to yourself because you're
the one who reached for her hand.
Remember, it's how they take it that determines their reaction. Like I said,
maybe I've just gone out with people who would take it wrong or maybe Phinmone is just really good at it. If it
works for him, you, and everyone else, I'm happy for you. I'm just giving you my horror story of the confused
look after a joke.
I'm still scarred after this one time where I blatantly gave a sarcastic comment
about how I was my friend was going to 'get a lot of action' on the bed I was putting together (I was laughing and
gave a sarcastic smile and everything) only to get an "Uhhh..." answer that made me reply that it was a joke only to
get an "Okay..." kind of response. Speaking of which, I found it hilarious because we were screwing in her bed
(literally screwing in her bed...you know, twisting the screws in her bedframe while putting it together). Man,
those were good times. Screwing in a girl's bed...how can you not find that funny?
*sigh* Maybe it
is just me...
Nah...
with the phreomones you gotta
remember it enhances reactions both ways - you need some anol and arone to give her the friendly chatting dependable
impression moreso and some Anone to trigger a hopefully sexual response.
But the mones are just another tool
that helps with interactions with others but it isnt the end all and be all but it does help subtely - its just
another tool in my sexual attraction arsenal
Some will see big improvements for others very minor.
@Pancho:
Phin's way is an
all-night show, you can't just be plain normal and then play the hand joke out of the blue, that would make Brad
Pitt look like a freak.
Yoel
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You're talking to Jerry
Seinfeld, here...
Speaking of Seinfeld and dating...
The basic problem with the beginning of the
relationship, I think, is that each person has their own sexual time-table of what should happen when, that the
other person knows nothing about. That's why I really think we need some sort of sexual rulebook, where it's
written down and agreed upon - sexual, standard, dating procedure. Know what I mean? So if there's any problems,
you can go, "Look, honey, I'm very sorry, but we've been out three times, and according to Article 7, Section 5,
there's got to be some physical contact, as you can see." "Otherwise, I will report you to the board, and they can
put out a warrant for an embrace."
If you're funny, how can the girls
you go out with be dull?
As experience tells impulse kicks morality in the head, so if you play your
cards well, things should go a lot smoother. (the booklet I plugged in my first post helps a lot)
Besides, a
man's sexual time-table reads more or less like this: now
Yoel
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yes, this is soooo correct! if i had doneOriginally Posted by Yoel
this hand-joke like 6 months ago, the girls would have thought "what a psycho". but you really have to have an
outgoing, relaxed, C+F attitude to do this. this works for me. and other c+f stuff. it's so funny and relaxing. but
you don't know have this style, i really do NOT recommend to do this.
to every guy: NEVER BE NORMAL +
PREDICTABLE
@pancho: if you are not familiar with DYD, get on to it!
I second that.Originally Posted by phinmone
Yoel
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