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    Did anyone

    see/read about Rudy blaming the troops for not finding the WMDs? The man who praised the fire fighters and police

    officers (our internal version of 'troops', if you will be so kind as to accept my analogy) during WTC recovery

    blamed the troops when defending the President's actions in Iraq?

    I haven't heard "passing the buck" like that

    since Ashlee Simpson blamed her band on SNL!

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    Didn't see it. When stuff

    like this hits the news it usually indicates a remark taken out of context and twisted, like when Bush said Kerry

    was disrespecting Poland. I don't like when either side does it. That would seem out of character for Rudy.
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    http://story.news.y

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    Democrats jumped on former New

    York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani

    (news -

    web sites), who has been campaigning with Bush, for saying the president was

    not to blame for the missing explosives and pointing the finger at U.S. troops one day after Republicans said Kerry

    was blaming the troops.

    "No matter how you try and blame it on the president, the actual responsibility for it

    really would be for the troops who were there. Did they search carefully enough, didn't they search carefully

    enough?" Giuliani said on NBC's "Today" show. Kerry's running mate, Sen. John Edwards

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    ), blasted the comment and said "our men and women in uniform did their job.

    George Bush didn't do his job."

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    And what was George Bush's

    job? To stand at the border and inspect every vehicle being buried in the Syrian desert?

    God help us if Kerry

    gets his miracle. We won't have a military left to fight the next war, we won't have any way of tracking down Al

    Qaida, and we won't have the money to pay for rebuilding the military after he has been booted out of office in

    2008.

    But we'll have plenty of material for the Tonight Show, Saturday Night Live, and Comedy Central to keep

    audiences laughing (in between scandals) for years to come.

    How will John Kerry win the war on terror? Maybe

    he'll join the terrorists and tell everyone America made a big mistake.

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    Let's focus on just the

    facts
    . John Kerry is already a terrorist. He wants nothing more than to elimenate the military and let Al

    Qaeda go. On the other hand, gotta admire that "single minded," Bushian steely eyed focus on Bin Laden! He's been

    watching him closely ever since Tora Bora a couple years ago. "Yep, there he is, Osama Bin Laden, in

    Pakistan, the same place he was when he slipped across the border!" And Kerry wants to reverse all that Bushian

    frugality and go Back to Clintonian big spending! And Kerry will never be a real man and take

    responsiblity for his mistakes like Bush obviously is. He'll probably get blowjobs like Clinton, lie about

    them, and then where will our country be? Yes and God help us! If Kerry gets elected God will no longer be

    directing our foreign policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendly1
    And what was George

    Bush's job? To stand at the border and inspect every vehicle being buried in the Syrian

    desert?
    His job is to exercise good judgement.
    When you have one army division responsible for

    cleaning up over 100 munitions sights, the blame has to go to whoever planned the opperation. Rumsfeld acted against

    pentagon recomendations and the commander in chief backed him up.
    Soldiers don't have the authority to say "Hold

    up. We can't march on to Baghdad just yet. There's some stockpiled weapons we need to clear out first." (Even

    commanders on the field don't have that kind of authority under Rumsfeld's self proclaimed "revolution in

    military affairs" (a techno-geek pipedream of massive, multifaceted operations centrally coordinated through

    satelite dishes and computer hardware).
    Give truth a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho1188
    Did anyone

    see/read about Rudy blaming the troops for not finding the WMDs? The man who praised the fire fighters and police

    officers (our internal version of 'troops', if you will be so kind as to accept my analogy) during WTC recovery

    blamed the troops when defending the President's actions in Iraq?

    I haven't heard "passing the buck" like

    that since Ashlee Simpson blamed her band on SNL!
    Hey, at least Rudy didn't blame "the

    band" (they were up on Cripple Creek at the time...)

    Or have a hoe-down.

    Seriously, though...pretty

    ridiculous (if it's true).
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    Holmes' Theme Song

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    I think Rudy was putting the

    responsibility on the troops for finding the WMDs as opposed to knowing they were there. I think his

    position is that Bush knew they were there but the troops didn't find them.

    Ashlee Simpson translation:



    "I'm sorry! My troops started searching the wrong caves!"

    I believe the "hoe-down" is the beautiful dance

    that will cover this mistake.



    ...okay, so I've been criticizing Bush for a while. In his defense...and

    to place the blame somewhere besides the troops...

    Iraq is a big country. People who were born and raised in

    Iraq probably know the landscape well. There is a lot of space to cover. People could have secret hiding

    places anywhere for military storage (think Area 51...people had no idea if their own country had secret military

    bases that tested things). Just like Bin Laden, you/weapons could hide in a cave somewhere where noone would find

    you/them. Weapons don't even need food, so you could stash them there and never hear from them again ever, unlike

    people that need food and communication with the outside world if you lead a large terrorist network.

    Since

    we're not proclaiming Iraq as a US territory, it'll never be our land and therefore we'd never have the ability

    to truly examine every hole in that entire country.

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    "Weapons don't even need

    food"

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.k.a.
    His job is to

    exercise good judgement.
    Sorry. That dog won't hunt. Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution did the Founding

    Fathers put in a requirement for good judgement.

    Our leaders have led us from one disaster to another. In the

    Twentieth Century alone, there was Prohibition, Isolationism, Banana Republic politics, Vietnam, and the Great

    Society.

    All of those things achieved some good, and some bad. All of them have been heavily criticized and

    rebuked by people as "bad judgement".

    When you have one army division responsible for cleaning up over

    100 munitions sights, the blame has to go to whoever planned the opperation.
    Only in part. The people on

    the ground are still responsible for doing their jobs.

    We hung plenty of Nazis at Nuremburg because of that

    principle.

    We're presently prosecuting and convicting dozens of soldiers and civilian contractors for the Iraqi

    prison scandal.

    In the United States, you don't get away with blaming everything on the boss. When the eyes

    are of the world are upon you, everyone takes part of the responsibility.

    That is the difference between our

    form of government -- a government BY the people -- and Saddam's form of government.

    We all share the burden,

    we all share the responsibility. We are all accountable.

    That is why we do send corrupt police officers to

    prison more often than any other country in the world.

    Rumsfeld's policies have been repeatedly challenged. I

    am sure that, when all is said and done, he will be faulted in ways people are not currently faulting him for.

    Right now, it's too soon for us to know what is going on.

    The fact that we are still free to ask questions, and

    have a reasonable expectation of seeing those questions answered responsibly, shows that our system is still

    working.

    The jack-booted thugs aren't yet standing on every street corner.

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    Giuliani is another immoral

    sleze ball in the right place at the right time to capitalize upon a national tragedy. Talk about body language, did

    you see his eyes as he blamed the troops. They are all riding off into the sunset after Tuesday and that suits me

    just fine.
    I am sick of their crap.

    Elk

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    Did anyone else actually

    witness this statement? I just read about it.

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