Question Regarding Mixing Mone's With Essential Oils...

[WilteredFire]

Hi guys,

Im new to the forum. I've just bought 0.5grams of Nol and 0.5grams of None and

10grams of Rone for some fun to experiement with Mones.

I needed some advice first...

1. Can the mones be

mixed into a pure essential oil? for example a 10ml Bottle of pure Lemon/Orange Essential Oil?

2. How good will

it mix into a pure EO? Will it dissolve instantly? If not, how long will it take.

If it doesn't dissolve in

Essential Oils effeficiently would it be ok to dissolve the Mone's i want into some Isoprop and then put the

Isoprop with the mones into my bottle of the Essential Oil, would that work?

I would really appreciate if people

can answer my questions, im a newbie.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

[cuddlebear]

This is probably one for

DrSmellThis to answer ... when I was really big-time into EOs, I would mix a drop or two in some jojoba oil and then

add mones, I never tried adding mones into the original EO container ...

[DrSmellThis]

You want to add at least 1ml

of everclear grain alcohol (ethanol) to each mg dry pheromones. I don't know how long it would take to dissolve

completely. May be a couple weeks or something. I'm just now experimenting with it myself. But you can't expect

them to dissolve in straight EO's. You can mix in EO's to taste after it's dissolved completely in the ethanol.

[Indigo]

Hello,

where do you get the

dry mones?

Indigo

[DrSmellThis]

Various -mone manufacturing

chemical houses sell them, but they're not marketed on a retail basis.

[DrSmellThis]

I've

just bought 0.5grams of Nol and 0.5grams of None and 10grams of Rone for some fun to experiement with

Mones.

That's quite an investment in raw pheromones. Are you starting a business?

[WilteredFire]

DrSmellThis:

thanks for

the advice regarding dissolving it. If i mix my mones with some Isoprop (Everclear isn't available here) how long

will that take to dissolve? Can i not use my mone EO the next day or isn't that enough time for it to dissolve?

That's quite an investment in raw pheromones. Are you starting a business?

No not really, if i

can get the mones to work i will sell them locally, i dont plan to setup a website on the Internet or anything, im

just looking to experiment with different dosages and find a good mixture that will give alot of hits.

[CollegeStudent]

I've

just bought 0.5grams of Nol and 0.5grams of None and 10grams of Rone for some fun to experiement with

Mones.

How much did that cost ya?

[WilteredFire]

How soluble are mones in

Isoprop? Does anybody know? Does anybody know long it takes for it to be dissolved into Isoprop completely?



Thanks!

[DrSmellThis]

As I said in PM's, I really

can't condone using isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. But if you want to take $5000.00 worth of pheromones

and ruin them be my guest. If you were serious you'd have the patience to at least find denatured perfuming

alcohol, regardless of whether they sold grain alcohol in your town.

[WilteredFire]

Thanks for the great advice

DrSmellThis, im just experimenting right now with the Isoprop, i dont plan on using it as i've not had any good

feedback on using this to dissolve the mones.

Is grain alcohol also called Ethanol? Should i buy Ethanol to use

for dissolving the mones you reckon?

[bjf]

what is the difference between mones

in crystal form vs. disolved form (at moleculear level)

[DrSmellThis]

Thanks for

the great advice DrSmellThis, im just experimenting right now with the Isoprop, i dont plan on using it as i've not

had any good feedback on using this to dissolve the mones.

Is grain alcohol also called Ethanol? Should i buy

Ethanol to use for dissolving the mones you reckon?

Grain alcohol is a kind of ethanol.

[DrSmellThis]

what is the

difference between mones in crystal form vs. disolved form (at moleculear level)

Presumably it's in the

arrangement of molecules and the bonds among them.

[bjf]

Anything more specific, doc or the

chemists out there?

[CptKipling]

Nothing different chemically,

it's just the arrangement of the molecules (like when you dissolve salt in water). If you get crystalline anything,

you are pretty much guarranteed to to a 100% pure sample, simply because impurities will not crystalise with the

rest of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's a while since I did chemistry.
edit: impurities will not be present

in the crystals, but they could be mixed in between them.

[DrSmellThis]

I'm not really the person to

ask. Molecules are arranged geometrically in crystalline form. There are different geometries for different

crystals, depending in part on the shape of the composite molecules and what other energies might be present.

Relatively weak electromagnetic forces hold them that way, IIRC.

[einstein]

Perfect timing, my physics class

just started solid-state physics this week.
Everything Cpt and Doc says is correct. In my research group, we

recrystallize stuff out of solution as a purification method.
Molecular crystals are bound together by weak

electric dipole moments. These bonds are much weaker than the bonds that hold together an ionic crystal like salt,

or a covalent crystal like a diamond, so molecular crystals should melt and dissolve more easily.
The molecules

themselves are unchanged, they're just extremely well organized in a solid crystal.

To Wiltered,
Can't you

get ethanol at the same place you bought your pheromones? I would bet that ethanol from a chemical supplier is much

cleaner than everclear. You'll have to ask DrSmellThis is there's a reeason everclear might be better then

ethanol.

[CptKipling]

Relatively weak

electromagnetic forces hold them that way, IIRC.

Sorry to split hairs, but they are electrostatic forces

rather than electromagnetic.

[WilteredFire]

Ok ... i've done some

research and rang up quite alot of Chemical companies in England in UK ... i've found one that seems decent priced.

They're selling Denatured Ethanol, its denatured by 5% Methanol, is this ok?

For mixing in with the Pheromones

is it ok to buy this, its 1Litre, 95% Ethanol and 5% Methanol?

Can anybody please advice me on this and wether

it's ok. Thanks very much, you've all been very helpful on this board

[BassMan]

Can anybody

please advice me on this and wether it's ok. Thanks very much, you've all been very helpful on this board

I think Doc can tell you more about this - but I wouldn't rub methanol on my skin, even at 5%. IIRC, the

alcohol used in perfuming is denatured by putting something in it to make it too bitter to drink, not by adding

poison.

-Bass

[WilteredFire]

Thanks Bass, helpful info.

Thats what i was thinking about is well, it sounds toxic to put that onto your skin.

Im just having a hard-time

finding a supplier for Ethanol. Oh well, maybe i have to look again n harder. Thanks for your input.