Serious q for the pro's, newbie chikara/perception results, feedback, praise!

[Lucid]

Hi everyone, first things first, I am a new

user, but don't have any of the new user questions (no need with such a comprehensive newbies thread on offer). I

thought I would quickly post my experiences, plus ask a question I would love if the professionals in the game could

debate and or answer. First off the serious stuff. I only have one concern in regards to using pheromones, and that

is, can long term usage effect the bodies own natural pheromone production in a negative way? I will use an example

to explain what I mean. When bodybuilders use steroids, or more precisely testosterone (and its many off shoots),

there own natural production of testosterone lessens and eventually ceases because, so I have read, the body sense

an abundance of testosterone in the blood and figures that it doesn't need anymore thereby closing its own

testosterone production down. This is what gives bodybuilders the dreaded ball shrinkage. After they stop taking

testosterone supplements, there natural production once again slowly resumes and eventually gets back to normal. Is

it or could this be possible for pheromone production as well? We breath in the mones we are wearing all day long,

does the body have a mechanism to detect pheromone amounts and adjust its own production accordingly? In extreme

case bodybuilders own testosterone production never recovers to its former glory, I'm worried if long term mone

usage could have the same effect? It would be great if someone in the know could answer/debate this as I am not a

physiological theorist by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, on to the more fun stuff. My first experiences with

using pheromones! I ordered perception once I had read some of the feedback people had given in the forums. It

looked like a good starting product, and I didn't want to get into mixing just yet. You know, there is always a

small part of you that wishes mones would be a miracle cure, a love potion so to speak, and make woman swoon over

you like you were the last man on earth. The first time I used it, I had that small hope, but I knew what to expect

after the reading other peoples experiences. I applied 2 sprays of perception to my neck and wrists and went to

collage. I must admit, I didn't really notice any more attention that what I usually get all day - that is apart

from one girl I sit next to in a computing class. After I arrived, she couldn't seem to sit still. She kept

constantly taking her top on and off and couldn't seem to concentrate on her work. She kept asking me how to do

something when I knew she knew the answer. usually she is miles ahead of me in class but she couldn't seem to get

any work done. She kept on leaning in close to look at my screen, and stay there for what felt like ages - yet there

was really nothing I was doing on the pc for her to look at. I found this all quite amusing as you could imagine -

more so because she is really quite attractive



In the subsequent weeks I really haven't notice much attention. I'm pretty ok

looking, and it seems girls haven't been acting any different that what they would usually since. I also bought

Chikara in the process and have try combining the two (perception/chikara) with similar results. I never use more

than 2 sprays total. I have been getting quite a few possible dates of late though, more than usual, but I have been

going out more than usual, so I m not sure if I can attests these possibilities to mone usage, or more of my own

availability! I must admit though, it is a nice little confidence booster. What I love the most is when you forget

you are wearing it,
then, while talking to a girl, you remember you

are, and that little boost of self assurance I think is worth its weight in gold. That for me, is enough to warrant

their cost.

Anyway, one

reason I have figured that I may not be getting the attention that others are is that I am one of those typical, non

threatening nice guys with a slightly - hate to admit it - feminine or 'metro sexual' personality. If Chikara and

perception are more you friendly chatty type mones - which is an ability I think already posses – im thinking maybe

the more alpha male aggressive mones might suit me better. I am by no stretch your mucho male type (in personality,

I have a quite a masculine look though), maybe THAT is the area that I need to boost. So I am thinking of purchasing

Primal Instinct or NPA, they are basically the same thing right? And is this logic

rational??


Anyway

thanks if you read this, I'll keep you posted on my further results. oh, and to the makers of perception (BDC

Concepts?), I think the sprayer is a little faulty. The spring pushes the button out to far and the lip of the

button gets caught on the edge of the bottle which prevents it from depressing. The annoying thing is when you move

it to the side and down a little to get it unhooked, some of the mones spray and leak out all over my fingers, plus

it never feels like you get a proper spray afterwards Anything I can do to fix this?



ciao for now! oh an big

clap to lovescent for getting my orders shipped in prompt time! cheers!


Lucid

[Indigo]

Hello and welcome to the

forum,

starting with 2 sprays of Perception is much. I know this is the recommended dosage, but you can read

in some threads of people getting overdose effects on 2 sprays and really good results on one spray. Just try one

spray for a few weeks!

What you have to look for when searching for "hits" is the body language of the women

you are interested in:
Do they smile more, do they tend to touch you more when talking to you, twirling their

hair etc..

The experience with the girl sitting beside you seems to be a clear hit IMO and perhaps even a OD

effect.
BSW Perception is supposed to be a much more sexual product compared to Chikara. So stick at that for now

and observe peoples reactions carefully!

Best regards

Indigo

[Indigo]

Hello Lucid,

PI only

coontains Androstenone in high concentration. Its Price per mg of none is highet that that of other products, like

PPA/m, Andro 4.2 or RM. NPA ha Androstenone and a secret ingredient only known to Lacroy ( the manufacturer ) and

Bruce ( Love-scent ). I have used none several times and got NPA last week. Believe me, it is extremely potent. I

diluted it and that way applied 1/500 of one 5ml bottle. And this was a OD ( Overdose ) for me and giving me strange

reactions from others!
So be careful when trying it!

Best regards

Indigo

[a.k.a.]

I only have one concern

in regards to using pheromones, and that is, can long term usage effect the bodies own natural pheromone production

in a negative way? I will use an example to explain what I mean. When bodybuilders use steroids, or more precisely

testosterone (and its many off shoots), there own natural production of testosterone lessens and eventually ceases

because, so I have read, the body sense an abundance of testosterone in the blood and figures that it doesn't need

anymore thereby closing its own testosterone production down. This is what gives bodybuilders the dreaded ball

shrinkage. After they stop taking testosterone supplements, there natural production once again slowly resumes and

eventually gets back to normal. Is it or could this be possible for pheromone production as well? We breath in the

mones we are wearing all day long, does the body have a mechanism to detect pheromone amounts and adjust its own

production accordingly? In extreme case bodybuilders own testosterone production never recovers to its former glory,

I'm worried if long term mone usage could have the same effect?

This reminds me of Meat

Loaf’s character in “Fight Club”.
I’ve been using pheromones for over 5 years and haven’t noticed the need to

increase dosages. So even if there is an effect on natural pheromone production it can’t be that serious.
And

no man boobies, so far.

A more serious side-effect IMO is psychological: the tendency to develop an

overblown ego. So I recommend taking days off of mones, on a regular basis, just to keep perspective.

[Pancho1188]

My take on the -mone

production question:

Going from straight logical reasoning...

No, it's not like steroids. Steroids, crack,

cocaine, heroin, etc...they all OD your body on a certain chemical, which causes your body to shut down production

of it. This is what causes the 'shrinkage' in men with steroids and the withdrawal in drug users. Your body is

extremely efficient in maintaining proper chemical levels, so when it gets a shot of dopamine, testosterone, etc.,

it immediately stops production.

As far as -mones go, however, it would not be the same in a chemical production

sense as you're not ingesting the -mones in a way that would have the body be emitting more -mones than usual (hey,

that made me think of that -mone pill product...maybe that would cause your body to lower its own -mone

production in response to the pill's production...I don't know). In fact, since it's not being produced from your

body, it may cause your body to think it's coming from an outside source...thinking of how a person may react to

someone else's -mones in the area, that might increase your own production. However, if it did somehow

decrease your personal -mone production because it thought it was producing more than it was, then it would return

to normal after stopping -mone usage, I'm sure. Again, unlike drugs, you're not actually causing a chemical

shutdown by replacing your own production with outside sources...you're kind of just adding to it on the outside.



A final thought:

Synthetic -mones are not your own. If other people's -mone production shut down your own,

then no one would be producing -mones because you are theoretically sensing many -mone signatures every day.



Therefore, I believe comparing -mone application to steroid injection/ingestion/intake to be

comparing apples and oranges.

[Friendly1]

The girl in class was a

definite hit. Subsequent apparent lack of interest could be due to any number of reasons: she just hooked up with

some hot guy; you showed too much interest at some point; you creeped her out; she is still interested but is

holding herself back; etc.

If you are absolutely certain you are not getting any results whatsoever, then the

best thing you can do is change what you are doing. It doesn't matter what you change. Just change SOMETHING.

Doing the same thing over and over, knowing you aren't going to improve your results, makes no sense.

Change

your hair style, your clothes, your pheromones, how much you talk to other people, HOW you talk to other people,

etc.

Experiment. Go slowly.

I don't know how we would be able to detect a decrease in natural pheromone

production. None of us is measuring our pheromone content now. All I have noticed through the past couple of years

is that if I go a day or two without applying the pheromones, I drop off the radar screen. But then, I normally

apply high doses and "SCREAM" pheromonically.

If you want to mesmerize girls, try doing some OD levels. Just

keep in mind you may have the opposite effect. But experimentation will tell you more about what you need to do

than our anecdotes.

[Chemo (BDC Concepts)]

Lucid,

Please

allow me to answer your question pertaining to natural pheromone suppression.

First, you are keenly aware of

HTP axis suppression with exogenous hormones (such as 4-AD, 1-test, test, deca, dbol, etc.) but this affects

internal systems. Natural pheromone production takes a different route and starts with the METABOLITES of natural

hormones. Have you ever wondered where all those hormones go once they are metabolized? Well, a portion of them

are excreted through skin where bacteria (c. form) CONVERTS it to an active specie.

Now, the entire process

starts with a person's INDIVIDUAL baseline hormone levels and also the c. form bacterial content of their skin.

Neither of these are affected by supplementing with a synthetic pheromone product.

What about if someone were

on cycle? As should be obvious by now, if you are suppressing the HTP axis with exogenous hormone levels your

pheromone signature will be altered as well since the metabolites will be different. If you would like to ensure an

even signature while on cycle be sure to include something 1,4-andro based such as 1,4-diol,

1,4-dione, or EQ (boldenone). The metabolites should provide a spectrum of pheromones after bacterial

conversion.

With respect to the atomizer: we are moving forward with the Platinum release which uses a top

shelf atomizer. This will eliminate further quality issues.

Bobby

[CptKipling]

I think the main point is that

pheromones have little to no direct effect on the endocrine system (in think -rone is an exception, but it only has

a weak activity), as opposed to steroids...

They only really become active as airborn agents from the skin (via,

in most cases, bacterial action on the skin), and their only "biologically intended" effect is as a sensory

stimulus, as apposed to steriods...

As Pancho said, it has been discussed that perhaps wearing pheros causes

the body to release more pheromones.


Bobby,

Have you done research on the effects of supplimenting

various steriods/PHs on pheromone production?

[Chemo (BDC Concepts)]

I've done a bit of

tracing metabolite paths...but will have to defer the full explanation until my article is complete. I'm currently

writing an article for publication targeting bodybuilders.

Bobby

[CptKipling]

Keep us posted, sounds

intersting.

[ManBeast]

IMHO from a little experience

using `mones when on.... I had to be VERY careful about OD`ing on the ratio of -none applied with respect to the

-nol and -rone, whereas now I don't have to use nearly as much (if any) SOE to help balance the ratios out when

using products with -none in them. (I am fully recovered and "normalized")

MB

[DrSmellThis]

This might sound strange to a

hard core bodybuilder, but any more than 5mg of DHEA increases OD risk and can lessen results if I wear

high-normal phero doses. Buildup is probably more of a concern too. Just know that the situation's different and

take due care.

[ManBeast]

Heh.... So what do you think

50mg of testosterone is doing

MB

[DrSmellThis]

If you are going to be taking

that much I'd think you should be sure to work out consistently, so that it's utilized appropriately and doesn't

just become excess random hormones. Otherwise you probably lose too much control of your pheromone situation.

[Lucid]

Thanks a lot to everyone for

considering my question and reading my experiences thus far. I sort of figured in my non-educated way that there

would be no long term effects of using pheromones but it is nice to hear it from the guys in the know! And the

steroids comparison porbably wasn't the best but all I could think up! I didn't realise that perception was such a

strong product, I'l definitly reduce the dosage and see how I go. I'm sure the mones are doing something but i

haven't clued up on the signals yet, I've always been hopeless at reading women anyway

Just something off

topic, has anyone experienced intense dreams on days that they wear pheromones?? I only where them two to three days

out of each week, and without fail on those days I'm sure to have the most vivid and easily remembered dreams, its

really quite strange, but a rather enjoyable and suprising after effect. I might post a new thread with this topic

to see what people say.

cheers,

Lucid

[ManBeast]

Well... Duh I workout

consistantly, and with a drive and intensity that very few in my (college) gym can match. The Testosterone is just a

helper after everything else (diet, training, rest) are in order.

MB

[CptKipling]

Just something off

topic, has anyone experienced intense dreams on days that they wear pheromones?? I only where them two to three days

out of each week, and without fail on those days I'm sure to have the most vivid and easily remembered dreams, its

really quite strange, but a rather enjoyable and suprising after effect. I might post a new thread with this topic

to see what people say.

cheers,

Lucid

Yeah I do. They get very sexual if I sleep with NPAw or EW

on.

[ManBeast]

I rarely remember dreams...

With or without pheromones. Even when using melatonin I don't get the standard "wierd" easiliy remembered dreams.



MB

[Mtnjim]

I rarely remember

dreams... With or without pheromones. Even when using melatonin I don't get the standard "wierd" easiliy remembered

dreams.

MB

Usually to remember dreams, you have to wake up immediately after it, even for

just a few seconds, and even if you don't remember wakeing up.

[ManBeast]

Ahhh... While I'm a light

sleeper... I've found places to live that I can do complete REM cycles... I usually wake up between them normally,

but yah.. when I'm jarred out of sleep, I remember them for like.. 30 seconds then I get busy with my day and

*poof* they are gone.

MB