few questions ......

[TRock]

1. now that it's

getting cold where do you guys plan on applying mones.
i know you can apply under your clothes but wouldn't that

defeat the purpose.

2. i was thinking of applying mones to my face. i put a toner and lotion on, since that

stuff is supposed to absorb into skin while mones work there?

3. anybody tried pheros, te, chikara, soe all at

the same time? i had good success with te, chikara, and soe and been experimenting with pheros a little. i think

pheros and chikara got me results but only tried it a few times to decide conclusively. it dawned on me to try all 4

to see what would happen. any comments on this?

[Skye]

I'm not an

expert, but your post reminded me of some issues that I face too.

I go to school in chicago and its getting

cold. Once winter hits, it just turns into a white la-la-land......

I usually apply mones on my body, neck

hair or armpits. However, I find that applying mones to my face either causes me to break out (with a zit or rash)

or drys my skin excessively.

As for application under clothes, it still works for me (ie: the pit trick)...

but if you want other options, I would suggest applying to your 1) Neck 2) Wrists 3) Hair 4) "Chest Area near

Neck"

Currently, I have started a new graduate program and am using alot of chikara, NPA/m, TE (heat or

arouser, depends on my mood) and pheros (as a coverscent)

What has worked for me consistantly so far is:


2 drops of TE
1 drop of NPA/m
2-3 sprays of chikara
(old bottle hence the really miniscule

sprays)
and 2-3 dabs of pheros.

Oh yes, for the demographics:
I'm Asian (Chinese)
5'7'' 145

pounds

Hope all this helps.

[bjf]

What did you mean by la-la

land?

Your mix is similar to mine except for the fact that I use two dabs of NPA for the Lacroy stuff, and

two to three dabs of soe instead of pheros. I also use 3 sprays of chikara (old bottle). It is very consistent. I

also put on a drop of PF.

[Skye]

bjf, I have to first

apologize to you... I never did carry out to completion that CSrone, CSnone npa/m expertiment that we talked about

over PM. My old computer crashed and I just could not be bothered to redo the excel and ratios again... my CS stuff

ran out too.... due to bottle cap malfunction and evaporation.....

White la la land = Winter and snow

craziness
(ie: major brain freeze in the windy city)

Yup, those ratios and mixes are very similar to what

I have tried too... but do you find that the smell of PF clashes with the scent of say... TE or Chikara..... another

thing that I'm thinking about is the lacing of NPA/m with NPA/w in 2:1 ratios....

I find that this mix for

me is a good middle ground between respect from guys and attraction from women.... I don't get "crazy sex in the

lawyer's office" type of hits, but rather a extreme "flirty-ness laced with innuendo and sexual tension" type of

hits from women (similar to WKM#1?)...... I'm curious, do you get the same type of hits with these ratios too,

bjf?

[bjf]

Skye,

Yea, I figured you

didn't do the experiment, though that's okay. It was a rone and a-1 thing.

So you are saying that you

don't get hits in the winter. Gotcha. Too cold to get hot, huh.

PF I place in my nostrils, one drop split.

I do it because I think it will help me ward off the bad effects of none on my own mood. I have not combined them

yet, and was wondering the same thing about whether the smell would go. What do other people think, PF and Chikara?

Seems like it would work better than Pheros and Chikara.

I am interested in getting some of the TE/w in

there, or maybe adding wagg or a-1 to the mix.

The results of my mix is actually less outward respect from

guys than some of the others I have used. A bit wierd to me. Seems like chikara is one that gets me more reactions

from women than men. As for the hits from the women I get, I do feel like using chikara has toned down the DIHLs.

I do get eye contact though, with less fear, naturally. The intensity is down a little bit, but the consistency

added is unparralled. As far as the "extreme "flirty-ness laced with innuendo and sexual tension" type of hits

from women", I'm not sure whether to say this applies in my case or not. It all depends on the environment and the

situation.

The hits are definitely sexual in nature though. I'm interested in hearing what happens if

you add NPA/w, so stick around.

[Skye]

Ah yes, I see

your point bjf ... so the PF is more for the effects on the self.... I have to bear that trick in mind.

Hmmm,

interesting... I actually do find that our "type of hits" and relative ratios somewhat similar:

1) The

Chikara definately acts as a "softener" (or loosener) for the women. I have noticed that they talk their head off

and seemingly seem to tell you everything, like you are best freinds (which might not be a good thing) but yet this

"best friend" effect is mitigated by the fact that they drop subtle verbal hints of attraction.... for example...

"...blah blah blah.....if only I met you before my boyfriend.... sigh.....blah blah blah...." BUT I totally agree,

Chikara does seem to reduce the DIHLs, yet you know they are zoning...they just talk and talk so fast that they

"trip" verbally.... (perhaps similar to a SOE effect?)

2)The pheros seems to blend in with the chikara scent

pretty well (er...at least to me....). Both seem to have a musky undertone.... these days, I don't bother with

cologne too much...the pheros is more than sufficient..... I also like pheros alot as it seems to be a very positive

anchor for me (and the lady that I might be flirting with) ..... I recalled/noticed that women not only liked the

scent, but tend to associate the positive feelings (or interaction) with it (hence me) pretty well.....so no

complaints on that....

Oh well, I have to head to the graduate building now, but I'll stick around and try

to contribute more to the forum this time... assuming my new laptop does not crash.

Ratios for the day:
-2

drops TE/Heat (Sides of neck and sideburns)
-1 drop NPA/m (all over front of chest near neck)
-2 to 3 sprays

of chikara (I'm really running low so the spray just refuses to work..tiny tiny sputters)
-3 dabs pheros (split

between hair, wrists and forearms)

[bjf]

Good post Skye. One thing that I

haven't gotten is the chatiness from the mix. Come to think of it, I think women generally hate talking to me



I might think about adding the Pheros to the mix, just because it seems after some timethe Chikara (and

some Sandalwood FO) fades and a friend of mine has asked a couple of times if something smells.

I'd still

like to here some more opinions on whether people think Chikara and Pheros smell okay together, yay or nay.

'Specially the cologne gurus (you know who you are).

[DrSmellThis]

I think they work well together as a scent, but on me it's best to put the Pheros underneath.

If I put it on top of the Chikara an overly-sweet note comes out, to my nose. The reason why they work together is

that both are musky, but one natural and the other synthetic. Synthetic and natural musks tend to enhance each

other. For that matter most all musks blend with each other, if you're dealing with just the musk smells. So

theoretically they work. They also work theoretically because both scents are "simple" in their own way (even though

Pheros has 150 ingredients or something and is deep and rich too). Chikara makes a pretty simple (and nice)

statement. The Pheros should help a bit to enhance the longevity of the Chikara too, due to the natural

fixatives in Pheros.

Whether you actually prefer the combo is a matter of taste.

[bjf]

Thanks. I thought they clashed, I

know Holmes, with quite the nose, agrees. But you have quite the nose too, DST. Camusflage, Surfs Up, or any of

the other cologne experts, what is your opinion on whether Chikara and Pheros (old) go together?

[DrSmellThis]

To clarify, I've tried only

the NEW Pheros with Chikara, and just because I can wear them together doesn't mean others will.

I know

Oscar (who has a good nose) often wears them together these days, but I think he tends to apply to different locales

rather than in layers, like I do.

[TRock]

chikara over pheros, i can't

describe it but it just smells so good.

[TRock]

What did you mean by

la-la land?

Your mix is similar to mine except for the fact that I use two dabs of NPA for the Lacroy stuff, and

two to three dabs of soe instead of pheros. I also use 3 sprays of chikara (old bottle). It is very consistent. I

also put on a drop of PF.

BJF, dabs of soe? with soe, it doesn't matter if you od right? because you

really can't od?

by the way i think i will be applying soe on my face. the te/chikara/pheros will stay under

my chin. i get this feeling that when i apply to the sides of my neck that it is rubbing onto my shirt collar.

[bjf]

i just take the roill on bottle and

press it against myself, maybe giving a little movement.

also, I found the npa seems to work best for me

along the jawline.

[TRock]

isn't that too little of soe? i

go nuts when applying soe. i'm gonna rethink how much soe i use.

a good jawline is an attractive thing, i

wonder if wearing none there increases the attractiveness of the jawline?

[bjf]

chikara already has rone and nol in

it, so it isn't necessarily too little soe.

i think it *seems* to work better there because it is a colder

area and does not disperse as quick as the neck or pules points. i've always found wearing pheromones on my

neck/face to be the most effective general area to begin with, and haven't had much luck with wrists, arms, crotch,

chest, hair, clothing, etc.

[TRock]

hmm... ok. some good ideas that

i'll be trying out soon.