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    Quote Originally Posted by ismellgood
    bjf,

    if you

    do not mind my persisting,
    what is your best guess of how many dabs you did get per npa bottle?
    Hello

    ismellgood,

    I just got my 10ml NPA bottle! It has exactly the same opening as my application
    bottles. As I said

    using the inlet you will never have consistent results per dab, even if I'd test it! I was easy to remove the

    inlet!
    So when dabbing without the inlet ( I tested that several times ) you get an average of 0.03ml per dab (

    about 170 dabs out of one 5ml bottle )!
    I hope that helps!

    Best regards

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    i have found that

    sprayers bruce sell are quite consistent [except for the 2 first & few last sprays]70 sprays per btle look at

    "application methods & quantities " tread for more details none the less spraing CAN be inconsitent due to

    mentioned facts above. Also & more than anything the way you spray is what will afect the results most but for the

    variance in the sprays its minor.

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    Right, there are atomizers

    that can be quite consistant. You just measure the amount of sprays (removing priming/ending) and divide

    accordingly. You can dilute most products out there by just adding ethanol, IPM, or PG if you really wanted to.

    You'd just have to do figure out the math (volume, total contents, what you WANT, etc).

    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC_Concepts
    Right, there

    are atomizers that can be quite consistant. You just measure the amount of sprays (removing priming/ending) and

    divide accordingly. You can dilute most products out there by just adding ethanol, IPM, or PG if you really wanted

    to. You'd just have to do figure out the math (volume, total contents, what you WANT, etc).

    Matt


    Hello,

    what would you take to dillute the oil based PI/w?

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo
    Hello,



    what would you take to dillute the oil based PI/w?

    Regards

    Indigo
    I'd probably

    use Isopropyl myristate (IPM) to dilute it. I don't know exactly what their carrier is, but I wouldn't be

    surprised if it was IPM. I'd probably test a small amount first just to make sure everything went well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC_Concepts
    I'd probably

    use Isopropyl myristate (IPM) to dilute it. I don't know exactly what their carrier is, but I wouldn't be

    surprised if it was IPM. I'd probably test a small amount first just to make sure everything went well

    though.
    Where can I get that?

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    iirc the carrier is a mineral

    oil of some sort.
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    Information about pheromones: Pheromone Information Library

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo
    Hello,

    what

    would you take to dillute the oil based PI/w?

    Regards

    Indigo
    The proper thing to dilute it with is

    denatured palm oil, from a perfuming perspective.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Thanks for the answers!
    Will

    PI also solve in alcohol based products?

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    ...alcohol dissolves oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo
    Thanks for the

    answers!
    Will PI also solve in alcohol based products?
    I haven't tested PI/w. PI/m will dissolve in Isoprop

    but not in EtOH. I had originally written that there were two PI/m's, but I think I was wrong and was trying to

    dissolve it in two different alcohols.

    -Bass
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassMan
    I haven't tested

    PI/w. PI/m will dissolve in Isoprop but not in EtOH. I had originally written that there were two PI/m's, but I

    think I was wrong and was trying to dissolve it in two different alcohols.

    -Bass

    Mmmmh,

    interesting. I often mix PPA ( Isopropyl basis I think ) with P10 and some Ehanol. It dissolves very well. What

    would happen dissolving PI in Isoprop and than adding some Ehanol for dillution?

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    so if one dab of alchool

    say chikara is .025 ml , how many dabs would be a decent dose???

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    Indigo,

    I once added a couple of

    drops of PI to a cologne sample tube but it didn't mix very well. When shaken it went cloudy and bubbly, and after

    being left to settle it formed two distinct layers.

    However, it does dissolve nicely in 190 Proof Everclear (95%

    Alcohol) and will not fall out of solution.

    Whenever I plan to mix with PI (/m or /w), I cut it with Everclear

    first.

    PI has reportedly used at least two carrier formulations over the years. I won't guarantee that the

    method that works for one will necessarily work for the other. I think I have the mineral oil based

    formula.
    Experiment with small quantities.

    Oscar

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassMan
    I haven't

    tested PI/w. PI/m will dissolve in Isoprop but not in EtOH. I had originally written that there were two PI/m's,

    but I think I was wrong and was trying to dissolve it in two different alcohols.

    -Bass
    You need to use

    everclear or hospital grade ethanol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
    You need to use

    everclear or hospital grade ethanol.
    I was using Everclear - unfortunately, the stuff we get in Florida is

    only 75%

    - Bass
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    I got my PI/w and dissolves well

    with PPA,CS Rone and TE!

    The mixture gives me 0.03ml per drop with my previosly mentioned pipette

    bottles.

    I did the same test with Perception, I simply sprayed it withr a hopper into it.
    You get exactly

    0.033 ml per drop ( 30 drops per ml )!

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