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    What did you order, Phersurf?

    Archersloan recently posted that all this late-shipping problem will be completely eliminated as of next month on

    the message board. Hope he keeps his word. Fingers crossed.
    Anyway, how's sexual cuing working out for you? I

    read situational opener tech, but found it sort of too commonplace. Well, all in all, I think, it's the godlike

    confidence that has to come first before executing all these fine strategies. Maybe that's why DYD worked just fine

    for me for a while until the initial rush wore out. It seemed like I was back to, well, not exactly sqaure one, but

    like sqaure two or three or something.
    I believe that until I sort myself out with this 'demonic confidence'

    problem, I'll never become a chick magnet in the true sense of the word. I've got a cute girl friend, and am

    generally liked by females to a reasonable extent. But, can't help feeling sort of depressed when I see some of my

    babe magnet guys in action. I'd really like this area of my life handled and under my thumb no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phersurf
    I ordered mine

    form the legitimate Ebay seller moe than a month ago and haven't received it yet. I tried to email the seller

    several times and did not get any replies.

    I disputed the transaction with ebay on Friday. It may take up to 30

    days to get resolution. Archer Sloan is offering it cheaper directly from him anyway, so I'll just reorder it his

    week.
    If you ordered it with a credit card sometimes thats the best way to dispute the charges. Also,

    ebay has a 30 day limit for disputing the charge and from this forum he takes longer than 30 days. Credit cards

    have up to 90 days I believe.

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    It took 6 weeks for me to get my

    order, so be patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    It took 6 weeks

    for me to get my order, so be patient.
    Well, he should state that in his Ebay add then. When it got

    to 4 weeks and I couldn't even get an email reply from the seller, I disputed the transaction with

    Ebay.

    I've bought quite a few things off of Eaby (including my ussed Audi A4 Quatro for $5,000 below

    market!) and have always received them within days.

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    yeah 6 weeks is a long time. do

    they make the the product after you ordered it something or does it come from another country?

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    About Specific Girl:

    It

    definitely does not come from another country.

    All the product is is three burned CDs with cheap printed CD

    labels that you can pick up from Staples or any other office supplies store with some printed out computer pages

    that they obviously slapped together using Microsoft Word then printed out on their own home printer, these pages

    are stapled together.

    The audio quality of the CDs is horrendous and the explanations are even worse. The most

    "powerful" part of the program is some psychic thing where you move around "pictures" in your head and that somehow

    affects the girl. This concept is very poorly explained and it took messages on the messageboard to figure out

    exactly what the hell he was talking about.

    Basically, all the program is is just a list of questions that you

    ask a girl. And those things are stuff like "What is your favorite movie and why?", "What is your biggest fear?",

    etc.

    They're trying to charge hundreds of dollars for this program. Guys, I don't think it's worth it.





    Quote Originally Posted by TRock
    yeah 6 weeks is a long time. do they make the the product after you ordered it something or does

    it come from another country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    It took 6 weeks for

    me to get my order, so be patient.
    Still, anything taking 6 weeks to order shouldn't be acceptable.

    Also the fact that he does not contact you, apologize, and reply to your emails is definately not good. If you

    order a new car it comes in less than 6 weeks. The above poster said that these CD's were pretty much at home

    burns. Why should you have to wait 6 weeks for cd's that were poorly burned, and could be made by anyone with a

    computer in under an hour.

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    lagrimas have you tried asking

    those questions in real life? i think i've heard from somebody that when you ask those questions to a girl. it

    triggers something in her brain where she thinks you're the only person that understands her. i could be wrong but

    i remember reading that soemwhere.

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    Why they take such a long time to

    deliver their goods escapes me completely. But, Archer wrote on the message board recently that the shipping delay

    will be sorted out by next month.

    His estimate was something like less than 7 days for overseas orders. I

    said to him that if he really does that his business will boom for sure. As for the poor quality of his product,

    well, as long as the contained info is powerful, I can't care less about the glossiness.

    I ordered DC

    recently. Paid through Paypal. Before I placed my order, he'd replied to my e-mail queries very promtly. SO I

    e-mailed him and asked him to send me a confirmation e-mail for my order. Sent similar e-mails asking for the same

    confirmation e-mail a couple more times. But no replies so far.

    Said he's been busy building up the

    Archersloan website, but I believe ignoring customers' requests for the sake of better customer service in the

    future doesn't make much sense.

    Let's wait and see what happens. I will keep you guys posted.

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    I really wonder about all that stuff.

    It is so confusing, I couldn't even find product descriptions on the yahoo group. It is like a wierd underground

    cult or something with their own language. Wierdos.

    Now does anyone know what constitutes an OD for NPA and

    what is the best way to get a DIHL with PI?

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    bjf, 1st rule of fight club there

    is no fight club. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XySen
    Still,

    anything taking 6 weeks to order shouldn't be acceptable. Also the fact that he does not contact you, apologize,

    and reply to your emails is definately not good. If you order a new car it comes in less than 6 weeks. The above

    poster said that these CD's were pretty much at home burns. Why should you have to wait 6 weeks for cd's that

    were poorly burned, and could be made by anyone with a computer in under an hour.
    Maybe Bruce can

    confirm this, but unless it has changed, I think the law is that a mail order vendor has 4 to 6 weeks to deliver

    their product to the customer. Anything over 6 weeks, they have to notify the customer about the delay and give them

    the option of getting their money back. Of course, eBay may be under a completely different set of

    rules.

    With quick acting companies like Love Scent, and things like priority mail and Fed Ex, we are getting

    spoiled. I get antsy if it takes over a week for something I order to arrive. But there are still instances where it

    can take up to 6 weeks to deliver. A product like described here for Sloane's stuff may not even be on the shelf

    and only manufactured on demand. If this is a second income, his real job may interfere with this.

    I'm not

    defending this, just trying to state from past experience of over 35 years of buying by mail. Truthfully, I haven't

    been impressed with what I've read about so far and keep forgetting to read the Yahoo Groups emails. One thing that

    bothers me, though I'm into Siddha meditation, is that they seem to incorporate magick into some of their

    techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRock
    bjf, 1st rule of fight

    club there is no fight club. lol.
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    Well, I'm interested in how

    well the course works... I mean, obviously I am because I bought it, right? Lol, but you bring up a good point, I

    should put it through some very good test runs before I start trashing it. Just by looking through the questions,

    I'm pretty sure this isn't worth much but I'll try it out. The thing that annoyed me the most was that they were

    claiming that the most powerful part of the program was some sort of magical aspect where you move "pictures" around

    in order to get her to like you. Not only was this annoying because I simply did not believe it, but it was annoying

    because they hardly explain their "technique" at all on the audio CDs. It is really poorly explained.

    However,

    here's the deal... I'm a freshman in college and I just got here a week ago, there are quite a few girls on the

    hall that I've gotten to know a little bit, so, I will try out this course on a few of them, going through the

    questions, etc, etc and I'll report back what happens to all of you. Then you guys can decide for yourselves if

    it's worth buying or not.


    Quote Originally Posted by TRock
    lagrimas have you tried asking those questions in real life? i think

    i've heard from somebody that when you ask those questions to a girl. it triggers something in her brain where she

    thinks you're the only person that understands her. i could be wrong but i remember reading that

    soemwhere.

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    well I'm expecting it any day

    now. I am a little concerened about what you said about the questions are, they seem just too simple and pointless.

    And what was said about the credit card claim thing also worries me because his guarranty is that you use it for 3

    months, and the credit card claim is worthless after 90 days. On the other hand you can e mail for help, well if he

    replies or not is another story. I do have faith though, the ebook coded personalities pinned her personality right

    to her handwriting.
    Why do women want what they can't have, and when they get it, they don't want it anymore?

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    The 90 days for the credit card is

    to dispute it. Depending on the credit card you have they have different policies. Some will let you return it if

    the company won't. It's all different.

    Quote Originally Posted by puule
    well I'm expecting it any day now. I am a little

    concerened about what you said about the questions are, they seem just too simple and pointless. And what was said

    about the credit card claim thing also worries me because his guarranty is that you use it for 3 months, and the

    credit card claim is worthless after 90 days. On the other hand you can e mail for help, well if he replies or not

    is another story. I do have faith though, the ebook coded personalities pinned her personality right to her

    handwriting.

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    I agree, 6 weeks is atrocious, but

    keep that in mind if you order.

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    I just got it this morning, and as

    I read the questions that you ask the girl, I felt like an idiot having ant doubts about it.

    These questions are

    simple to ask her, well most of them. See what happened for me to doubt it was I had gotten a copy of ross jeffries

    stuff about questions you ask, and that was just something that I believe women would just see through like a

    windexed window.

    And the "moving pictures" that I read in ross's stuff, well I think you might as well wave a

    pocket watch in front of her. It just sounded so rediculous the way he explained it. With the Archer Slone way of

    doing it, it would look like a normal conversation.

    Just like in the ebay description, you need to forget all

    that other NLP psychic shit. I didn't even finish reading it yet or listen to the CD's, I just had to say I should

    have trusted my instincts.

    HOWEVER, I am not going to say thank you until I get my girl!
    Why do women want what they can't have, and when they get it, they don't want it anymore?

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    ^ so basically it should work or

    from what it looks like, it should work?

    i started the ross jeffries home study a few days ago. haven't really

    got far but by self-hypnotising myself i'm amost over my fear of approaching girls(before this i always let the

    girl make the 1st move). went to a club on sat with my boys, had a few drinks and just did c&f with any girls i saw

    (no nlp yet). my goal this weekend was to just get over the fear of rejection. and i can say mission almost

    accomplished. by the way i wore 1 dab te, 1 dab pheros, 2.5 sprays of chikara, and 2 (3 in) swipes of soe all on my

    neck. so i did get shot down. but i also got a number and had some girl run up to me and start grinding with me

    until either her bf or male friend grab her away from me. so thank you mones.

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    I ordered Specific girl today

    because I emailed archer and he cut me a deal for 1/3rd the original price. I dont think he wants me advertising

    the price so I wont say. You can pm me if you want. We will see how this works. I will try it on my ex fiancee

    first to see how this works. She does have a b/f but I think it will be easier to getin her head since we were

    together for 3 years. I will keep you all updated.

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    i kinda skimmed through the ross

    jefferies stuff and it's good but not great. the only pattern i liked so far that would be natural is the boyfriend

    destroyer. and in a club setting there's a good chance you'll get cock blocked by the girl's friends. it's true

    that people say these techniuqes are outdated. but i do like his self hypnosis and state of mind exercises and

    confidence exercises. it wasn't my home study course, it was my friend's. so i can say i'm happy with the product

    but only because i didn't buy it.

    off topic but

    http://www.thundercatseductionlair.c

    om/2004/07/the_seduction_o.html#more

    it's a transcript of the paris hilton pick up by papa. i think i'll

    look into their stuff.

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    I just read that "paris hilton"

    pickup, what cheese! If this stuff really works, I don't think women can spot anything a mile away.

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    papa isn't just any guy doing

    pick ups, he's the ceo and the guy that created real social dynamics. i don't think he would make this up and ruin

    the company's credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRock
    off topic but

    http://www.thundercatseductionlair.c

    om/2004/07/the_seduction_o.html#more

    it's a transcript of the paris hilton pick up by papa. i think i'll

    look into their stuff.
    Reads like a deleted scene from Entourage.
    If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen

    Holmes' Theme Song

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    Well mine came in earlier

    this week and I am not really sure what to think of it? Kinda not sure what he means about moving the pictures and

    even though i could ask most of the questions i do feel that i would be uncomfortable asking a girl a few of them.

    But i just started listening to it earlier today so i guess its too early to tell and ive yet to try it out in real

    life so who knows maybe this will work. Just a little skeptical.

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    i know what you're talking about

    b/c i read it in the ross jefferies. it's basically picture a large white screen in your mind. picture your most

    favorite person then picture a person you really hate. you'll notice when you picture a white screen those 2 images

    are located in 2 different spots on the white screen. basically you're suppose to make the girl move your mental

    picture into the most favorite position. the ross jefferies way is retarded, hopefully the archer sloan way is

    better.

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    So here is an update in my

    dealings with Archer Sloan.

    After the original shipment never arrived, it was shipped a second time and

    still took almost 2 weeks to arrive (for a total of about 8 weeks). My original order date was August 20th and I

    didn't get it until about the second week in October.

    When I did finally did recieve it I was deep into

    David Deangelo's Advanced Dating Techiniques DVD and usnig them with great success (I've got stories..). About a

    week after I received DC (I just sort of ignored it and put it under my desk at work) I get an email wanting

    payment. No offer of a discount, no offer of a free second product, not even an offer of selling it to me at the

    price offered directly from to his Yahoo group members. I was out of town when this email arrived (at my companies

    Romanian office, let me tell about Romanian women!). No problem, I decided to send it back at this point

    anyway.

    Then I recieve another email threatening me with a bad Ebay report! This comming from someone that

    takes over 6 weeks to ship a product. They also acuse me of trying to stiff them, for $200! Oh yeah, they "hex" me.

    Supposedly within the next year I'll loose 17X more than the $200 they think I was going to stiff them for. Oh I'm

    scared. I actually do believe that hex's work, but only if both parties believe they do. And I don't.

    What

    a fun and intersting experience dealing with Archer Sloan.
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    PherSurf

    I keep hearing people

    bringing up this David DeAngelo, saying he is really good and stuff. People strongly recommend it, and this gets me

    interested. However, it seems as if the majority of guys who have used his stuff are having trouble with women even

    with it.

    You mentioned some successes, though. Can you please talk more about the product you are using?

    What is useful? Is there anything not useful (ie can't be applied practicually, or just BS)? Is there anything

    profound? Is it easy to learn or do you have to spend a lot of time learning it? Does it force you to be someone

    other than what you might already be? Do you have to have a facade (fasad)?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phersurf
    .......I was

    deep into David Deangelo's Advanced Dating Techiniques DVD and usnig them with great success (I've got

    stories..)........
    :-D Tell Tell!

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    yes I am interested,

    anything you can point out, I have a difficult girl I wish to deal with


    PzFh

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