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    Hello

    guys,

    I'm new here on the forum and hope to get some help!
    I am interested to test Chikara or Perception, but

    am not sure which to choose. Chikara has a much better Pheromones per USD ratio ( about twice as good ) but

    Perception on the other hand has the advantages mentioned in the product information. Are these advantages really

    worth the money?
    What would you recommend?

    Regards

    Ingo
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    one of each!!!

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    So with other words: The are both

    great products and worth their money ?!?!
    Any experience with them?

    Regards

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    This is the same question I

    have!!
    I've been going thru the whole forum and reading everything on Chicara and perception. And it seems that

    chicara has more of an respect-based-feel from it. People have said that its sexual but the sexuality comes slower

    but you will have people respect. I definately love that. That would make it perfect for work. Awesome respect,

    no bitchiness from other guys, and not crazy sexuallity from the ladies (that way they can focus on work) jeje.


    But anyway I've been in situations where almost all of the women at the workplace where hitting on me and that

    shit actually got me in trouble! Freaking managers....but I did "flirt" a little bit. ;-)

    If any one has done

    a good comparison....let us Know!
    Also if any ladies have any thoughts on the recieving end of these two, let us

    know too. Thanks
    Later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalesalsa82
    But anyway

    I've been in situations where almost all of the women at the workplace where hitting on me and that shit actually

    got me in trouble! Freaking managers....but I did "flirt" a little bit. ;-)

    ...
    Did you get those hits

    with chikara?

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    Which one to buy?

    If there is one to try I would have to consider Chikara first. Listen, I manufacture Perception but the type of

    hits is completely different. I'm a married man of 12 years and Chikara usually gets the warm, affectionate

    response from my wife whereas Perception really gets the animal out. So, I guess it depends on how the females

    around you respond to each and what your desired response is.

    So, if you have to buy one get Chikara. If you

    want to add both to your pheromone arsenal then they are a perfect compliment to each other if used on days/off

    days.

    However you decide be sure to post your feedback!

    Bobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemo (BDC Concepts)
    Which

    one to buy? If there is one to try I would have to consider Chikara first...


    Hello Bobby,



    thank you for your honest advice. I appreciate that very much!
    I have an additional question regarding the

    dosage of perception and chikara (as you obviously use both):

    1) As one spray of the Perception atomizer

    delivers a relatively high amount of 0,1ml, will one spray be enough for getting good results?

    2) I read, that

    the atomizer of Chikara "only" delivers a "light spritz" of the product. How many sprays do you recommend for

    effective application. Can you estimate how many sprays one bottle of Chikara approximately delivers?

    Best

    regards and thanks for your help

    Ingo
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    For myself, and this

    is strictly based on personal observation, one spray of each produces the quality of hits that I'm after.



    Bobby

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    I am going to dedicate

    today to Perception and see how it goes. We may go to a swinger party tonight, not sure yet. I will get "out and

    about" today as well to see what kind of reactions I get.

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    Hey Ingo:
    No that was

    without any pheromones...just being cocky/funny, teasing, and all that, thats what I mean by "flirting". the mones

    add to that. I used to get into alot of fights, and grew up in some kind of ghetto places so when I tried the

    NPA/APC mix it fit me perfectly, it smells very clean and fresh on me. Whats the name of this mix by the way? I

    forgot.
    Anyway thats the only one I've tried in all these years, but now I'm thinking of trying Chikara or

    Perception.
    Later....

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    They're both good, but differ

    in complexity -- what are your goals for trying a product?
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
    They're both

    good, but differ in complexity -- what are your goals for trying a product?
    Hello DrSMellThis,

    well,

    the general reaction I'd like to have is just to appear more attractive to women. A better chance to get to know

    them.
    I'm generally not interested in one-night-stands, but that doesn't mean that I don't aim for sexual hits.

    It is just not my primary interest.

    On the hole I want a good base product with a good price per dosage ratio!




    Regards

    Ingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingo
    Hello

    DrSMellThis,

    well, the general reaction I'd like to have is just to appear more attractive to women. A better

    chance to get to know them.
    I'm generally not interested in one-night-stands, but that doesn't mean that I don't

    aim for sexual hits. It is just not my primary interest.

    On the hole I want a good base product with a good

    price per dosage ratio!


    Regards

    Ingo
    Are Chikara and Perception your only options at this

    moment?

    If so, I would advice Chikara, as Perception is even more recent, so there is a lot more

    information about Chikara at the moment (and it seems like almost everyone has good things to say about it)...



    If you consider other options, AE and Edge Essentials (Heat version) would be a good choice for you.

    Anyway, I

    didn't read all posts in this thread, so I don't know if you told us your age. How old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingo
    Hello

    DrSMellThis,

    well, the general reaction I'd like to have is just to appear more attractive to women. A

    better chance to get to know them.
    I'm generally not interested in one-night-stands, but that doesn't mean that

    I don't aim for sexual hits. It is just not my primary interest.

    On the hole I want a good base product

    with a good price per dosage ratio!


    Regards

    Ingo
    I would say Chikara too. I've

    gotten some really good, friendly-type responses from women in a wide age range wearing it. On the other hand,

    Perception has given me some looks from a few women of complete surprise, they stare, but almost look scared. Kind

    of like a DIHL right before the car hits it. Being kind of introverted, this look kind of throws me for a loop,

    unless I remember it's probably the pheromones causing it.

    I think Perception is good stuff, but for a more

    comfortable, friendly vibe I'd go with Chikara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe
    If you

    consider other options, AE and Edge Essentials (Heat version) would be a good choice for you.

    Anyway, I didn't

    read all posts in this thread, so I don't know if you told us your age. How old are you?
    Hello,

    I am

    27 years old!
    AE is IMO a bit too expensive ( price per pheromone ratio ).
    The thing I plan to try is a

    combination of Chikara and TE!
    What is the difference between TE and TE Essentials?
    Could I also combine the

    latter with chikara?

    Regards

    Ingo

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    Indigo:

    Edge essentials

    includes essential oils in them so the stuff does not smell as bad. You will want to use chikara and te together,

    though, so chikara is a good enough of a cover in itself for you not to worry about the te smell.

    Also Edge

    Scented (not in the Essentials line) uses sandalwood, but is still smells bad.

    Edge Arouser mixes the best

    with Chikara of the Essentials line. However, it smells pretty bad by itself for the first 20-30 minutes if you are

    not mixing it with anything.

    The other Essential product is Edge Heat. That smells better when you first put

    it on, but it doesn;t mix well with chikara.


    Then there is NPA which is a concentrated version of TE (4

    times more). That does not come scented. But it works well with Chikara too.

    Sorry if you are more confused

    now. If I were you I'd cancel out heat because I don't think the scent is easy to mix with, even though it is a

    great standalone product. The rest depends on whether you want to use the NPA/TE solo and whether you care about

    how the fragrance smells at first (there are situations where you are around people after applying and it can be a

    bit embarrasing with the smell of Edge Arouser.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingo
    Hello,

    I am

    27 years old!
    AE is IMO a bit too expensive ( price per pheromone ratio ).
    The thing I plan to try is a

    combination of Chikara and TE!
    What is the difference between TE and TE Essentials?
    Could I also combine the

    latter with chikara?

    Regards

    Ingo
    Well, AE has been the number 1 top-seller for a LONG LONG

    time... until Chikara showed up. Actually, AE and Edge Heat are my favourite phero products (I haven't used Chikara

    as often as I would like till now).

    If you want to use TE standalone, you should buy the Heat version, no doubt.

    However, if you just want the LaCroy special ingredients to be used in a combo, I think you should get either TE

    unscented or NPA... and use it with Chikara or AE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    Indigo:

    Edge

    essentials includes essential oils in them so the stuff does not smell as bad. You will want to use chikara and te

    together, though, so chikara is a good enough of a cover in itself for you not to worry about the te smell.

    Edge

    Arouser mixes the best with Chikara of the Essentials line. However, it smells pretty bad by itself for the first

    20-30 minutes if you are not mixing it with anything.

    Then there is NPA which is a concentrated version of TE

    (4 times more). That does not come scented. But it works well with Chikara too.

    Sorry if you are more confused

    now. If I were you I'd cancel out heat because I don't think the scent is easy to mix with, even though it is a

    great standalone product. The rest depends on whether you want to use the NPA/TE solo and whether you care about how

    the fragrance smells at first (there are situations where you are around people after applying and it can be a bit

    embarrasing with the smell of Edge Arouser.)
    Hello bjf,

    well, no need for saying sorry.I am definitely

    not more confused. Far from it! I knew the options before ans thought about them. You gave me very much of the

    information I still needed ( and not yet asked about ).
    So there are two options left for me:

    1. Chikara plus

    TE unscented or
    2. Chikara plus TE Essentilas Arouser. ( Has the Essentials series a unscrewable cap? How do you

    apply it? Is it a dropper or sprayer bottle)

    The point is: How well does the Arouser smell mixes with that of

    Chikara. Most of the time I will probably use
    the combination of both products!

    Thanks

    Ingo

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    Indigo. Arouser goes well with

    Chikara. And yes, it has an unscrewable cap. People do anywhere from 2-8 dabs of edge. As far as spraying goes,

    most stick to 1-2 sprays, but on some people, even one spray is too much.

    Eight dabs is getting close to a

    spray. Difficult to measure these things.

    If you are going to go the edge unscented route, just get edge

    scented (sandalwood) because though it still needs a cover (chikara will work well with that), it does smell better

    on its own than standard te unscented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    If you are going to

    go the edge unscented route, just get edge scented (sandalwood) because though it still needs a cover (chikara will

    work well with that), it does smell better on its own than standard te unscented.
    Hello bjf,

    so with

    other words the sandalwood scent is much lighter than that of TE Arouser?!?! Will the arouser smell cover chikara?


    I have to say that i ovrall only want a light scent on my body ( Chikara and TE (which version ever )

    together)!
    I wouldn't dislike the possibility to use TE alone at times.


    Greetings

    Ingo

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    Sandalwood scent is lighter. They

    shortchanged the sandalwood in there or something, which is why the bad smell of the edge still comes

    through.

    Arouser is pretty heavy scent. Yes, it can change the Chikara scent. The two will mix together and

    form something in-between (obviously). Chikara is a sweet vanilla musk while Arouser is a heavy cedar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    Sandalwood scent is

    lighter. They shortchanged the sandalwood in there or something, which is why the bad smell of the edge still comes

    through.
    Thanks, that gives me a clear decision against the Essential versions.
    So the Sandalwood

    won't change the Chikara scent much but improve the smell when I use TE it alone. Did I get that rigth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingo
    So the

    Sandalwood won't change the Chikara scent much but improve the smell when I use TE it alone. Did I get that

    rigth?
    That's right... but if you're not certain about what you should buy, try getting some TE gel

    packs (sandalwood scented) and do some experimenting with them (standalone or combined with Chikara).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemo (BDC Concepts)



    So, if you have to buy one get Chikara. If you want to add both to your pheromone arsenal then they are a perfect

    compliment to each other if used on days/off days.

    However you decide be sure to post your feedback!



    Bobby
    Hello Bobby,

    thanks for your advice again. I have two more questions about Perception.
    As I

    am no native english speaker and I didn't understand all words and phrases on your webpage my first question is:



    1. What would be the advantages of perception toward a product containing exactly the same pheromones in the same

    concentration in an convential alcohol base.

    2. What does Androsterone do compared to -none and -nol.

    Best

    regards

    Ingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingo
    Hello Bobby,



    thanks for your advice again. I have two more questions about Perception.
    As I am no native english speaker

    and I didn't understand all words and phrases on your webpage my first question is:

    1. What would be the

    advantages of perception toward a product containing exactly the same pheromones in the same concentration in an

    convential alcohol base.

    2. What does Androsterone do compared to -none and -nol.

    Best regards



    Ingo
    Perception features a unique pheromone ratio outside of any product. That fact alone, in

    our eyes based on research, makes it quite effective. Part of the incentive is the formula we have used to create

    the matrix Perception is housed in. Essentially we have derived a formula that avoids transdermal uptake and

    provides for an extended release giving effects up to 12 hours or more where other products cannot. As for the

    difference between nol, rone, and none... this is up for much debate. Some people say none isn't effective, others

    say it is. Feedback says one thing and in another thread says another. If you read the cookbook, the basic is that

    none = sexual, nol = social, rone = hybrid. While I don't necessarily agree with the basic descriptions.....I feel

    most combinations are synergistic (or the lack thereof), and it is difficult to provide a explanation for each. Out

    of curiousity, I want to invite Dr. Smell This to come in as I respect much of what he has to say and I would like

    to open this portion up to him to provide what HE believes nol, none, and rone provide in terms of results. Not to

    put you on the spot, but DST tends to present ideas that go outside of the norm, which might lead into some

    interesting discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC_Concepts
    Out of

    curiousity, I want to invite Dr. Smell This to come in as I respect much of what he has to say and I would like to

    open this portion up to him to provide what HE believes nol, none, and rone provide in terms of results.
    Hello,

    thank you for the information.
    I agree with you regarding the opinion of the doctor!



    Regards

    Ingo
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    I

    agree, Matt. Everything interacts. No one pheromone is better than another, though -nol and -none are easier to use

    in isolation for attraction. All their qualities together provide the best results, in the proper proportions. In

    psychological terms, average levels among various pheromones should vary with personality traits; and a well

    balanced "pheromone personality" profile is best. We still often talk about them as having individual

    "characters," though.

    Consider -rone. As with the other two, there's a good bit of research and anecdotal

    storytelling on androsterone. JVK has called androsterone alpha-maleness; or simply, maleness. Putting it all

    together with my private impressions suggests that androsterone feels like "Charlton Heston as Moses" -- young and

    capable; yet fatherly, brotherly and safe. A leader, steward, or protector -- a mature hero -- might emit a lot of

    -rone. -Rone is an attention grabber as well as -none, but grabs it more gently by comparison. Dosage of -rone is

    very senstive, in that optimizing it really sweetens the effect of a mix, but too much flirts with LJBF (or "LJB

    brothers and sisters") territory; and deadens it a bit. This is why it is good to get chem set -rone at some point,

    to get that increased control in trying to hit the sweet spot. Since -rone, as a DHEA metabolite, varies with the

    amount of DHEA, one might suppose it peaks before well before age 25 and declines thereafter. So questions about any

    "fatherly effect" arise. Is its possible another -mone emerges to take its place after 25? Could -rone and

    age-increased estrogen metabolites interact somehow? Could pathways other than arising directly from DHEA pick up

    the slack as we age? Am I mistaking "fatherly" for "brotherly"? Related experiences while using WAGG, V5 and

    Chikara suggest other mones and their ratios contribute to such effects as well. Discuss!

    -Nol is a largely

    gender-neutral mone that signifies youth -- possibly a bit moreso for men -- and femininity -- possibly a bit moreso

    for women. In men it is combined with other things that distinguish it from the female profile, and vice-versa. For

    men, the trick with -nol is to suggest youth but not femininity. Women might have a bigger range here.



    Androstenone is like raw machismo juice, and must be used very harmoniously and judiciously, especially by women.

    It might vary closely with testosterone, which doesn't decline as drastically with age. -None research presented by

    those critical of -none is flawed in not varying dosage, while it has provided valuable information on interaction

    with ovulation.

    Of course, other -mones are important too. Talk amongst yourselves...
    Last edited by DrSmellThis; 08-25-2004 at 02:48 AM.
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    Hello Bobby and Matt,

    will there

    be a possibility later to buy only the pheromone product without the scent? I think that would be a great advantage

    for customers not wanting to use the fragrance or who only need e.g. half a bottle of the scent for one bottle of

    the pheromones.
    That would save one atomizer in that case, thus save money and make the product more attractive!



    Best regards and thanks for your support

    Ingo

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    Excellent post Doc, but where does

    A1 fit into all of this?

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    I guess it doesn't, since A1

    is in neither Chikara nor Perception.
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