one of each!!!
Hello
guys,
I'm new here on the forum and hope to get some help!
I am interested to test Chikara or Perception, but
am not sure which to choose. Chikara has a much better Pheromones per USD ratio ( about twice as good ) but
Perception on the other hand has the advantages mentioned in the product information. Are these advantages really
worth the money?
What would you recommend?
Regards
Ingo
Last edited by Indigo; 08-27-2004 at 01:16 AM.
one of each!!!
So with other words: The are both
great products and worth their money ?!?!
Any experience with them?
Regards
Ingo
This is the same question I
have!!
I've been going thru the whole forum and reading everything on Chicara and perception. And it seems that
chicara has more of an respect-based-feel from it. People have said that its sexual but the sexuality comes slower
but you will have people respect. I definately love that. That would make it perfect for work. Awesome respect,
no bitchiness from other guys, and not crazy sexuallity from the ladies (that way they can focus on work) jeje.
But anyway I've been in situations where almost all of the women at the workplace where hitting on me and that
shit actually got me in trouble! Freaking managers....but I did "flirt" a little bit. ;-)
If any one has done
a good comparison....let us Know!
Also if any ladies have any thoughts on the recieving end of these two, let us
know too. Thanks
Later...
Did you get those hitsOriginally Posted by dalesalsa82
with chikara?
Which one to buy?
If there is one to try I would have to consider Chikara first. Listen, I manufacture Perception but the type of
hits is completely different. I'm a married man of 12 years and Chikara usually gets the warm, affectionate
response from my wife whereas Perception really gets the animal out. So, I guess it depends on how the females
around you respond to each and what your desired response is.
So, if you have to buy one get Chikara. If you
want to add both to your pheromone arsenal then they are a perfect compliment to each other if used on days/off
days.
However you decide be sure to post your feedback!
Bobby
Originally Posted by Chemo (BDC Concepts)
Hello Bobby,
thank you for your honest advice. I appreciate that very much!
I have an additional question regarding the
dosage of perception and chikara (as you obviously use both):
1) As one spray of the Perception atomizer
delivers a relatively high amount of 0,1ml, will one spray be enough for getting good results?
2) I read, that
the atomizer of Chikara "only" delivers a "light spritz" of the product. How many sprays do you recommend for
effective application. Can you estimate how many sprays one bottle of Chikara approximately delivers?
Best
regards and thanks for your help
Ingo
Last edited by Indigo; 08-24-2004 at 04:21 AM.
For myself, and this
is strictly based on personal observation, one spray of each produces the quality of hits that I'm after.
Bobby
I am going to dedicate
today to Perception and see how it goes. We may go to a swinger party tonight, not sure yet. I will get "out and
about" today as well to see what kind of reactions I get.
Hey Ingo:
No that was
without any pheromones...just being cocky/funny, teasing, and all that, thats what I mean by "flirting". the mones
add to that. I used to get into alot of fights, and grew up in some kind of ghetto places so when I tried the
NPA/APC mix it fit me perfectly, it smells very clean and fresh on me. Whats the name of this mix by the way? I
forgot.
Anyway thats the only one I've tried in all these years, but now I'm thinking of trying Chikara or
Perception.
Later....
They're both good, but differ
in complexity -- what are your goals for trying a product?
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Hello DrSMellThis,Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
well,
the general reaction I'd like to have is just to appear more attractive to women. A better chance to get to know
them.
I'm generally not interested in one-night-stands, but that doesn't mean that I don't aim for sexual hits.
It is just not my primary interest.
On the hole I want a good base product with a good price per dosage ratio!
Regards
Ingo
Are Chikara and Perception your only options at thisOriginally Posted by Ingo
moment?
If so, I would advice Chikara, as Perception is even more recent, so there is a lot more
information about Chikara at the moment (and it seems like almost everyone has good things to say about it)...
If you consider other options, AE and Edge Essentials (Heat version) would be a good choice for you.
Anyway, I
didn't read all posts in this thread, so I don't know if you told us your age. How old are you?
I would say Chikara too. I'veOriginally Posted by Ingo
gotten some really good, friendly-type responses from women in a wide age range wearing it. On the other hand,
Perception has given me some looks from a few women of complete surprise, they stare, but almost look scared. Kind
of like a DIHL right before the car hits it. Being kind of introverted, this look kind of throws me for a loop,
unless I remember it's probably the pheromones causing it.
I think Perception is good stuff, but for a more
comfortable, friendly vibe I'd go with Chikara.
Hello,Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe
I am
27 years old!
AE is IMO a bit too expensive ( price per pheromone ratio ).
The thing I plan to try is a
combination of Chikara and TE!
What is the difference between TE and TE Essentials?
Could I also combine the
latter with chikara?
Regards
Ingo
Indigo:
Edge essentials
includes essential oils in them so the stuff does not smell as bad. You will want to use chikara and te together,
though, so chikara is a good enough of a cover in itself for you not to worry about the te smell.
Also Edge
Scented (not in the Essentials line) uses sandalwood, but is still smells bad.
Edge Arouser mixes the best
with Chikara of the Essentials line. However, it smells pretty bad by itself for the first 20-30 minutes if you are
not mixing it with anything.
The other Essential product is Edge Heat. That smells better when you first put
it on, but it doesn;t mix well with chikara.
Then there is NPA which is a concentrated version of TE (4
times more). That does not come scented. But it works well with Chikara too.
Sorry if you are more confused
now. If I were you I'd cancel out heat because I don't think the scent is easy to mix with, even though it is a
great standalone product. The rest depends on whether you want to use the NPA/TE solo and whether you care about
how the fragrance smells at first (there are situations where you are around people after applying and it can be a
bit embarrasing with the smell of Edge Arouser.)
Well, AE has been the number 1 top-seller for a LONG LONGOriginally Posted by Ingo
time... until Chikara showed up. Actually, AE and Edge Heat are my favourite phero products (I haven't used Chikara
as often as I would like till now).
If you want to use TE standalone, you should buy the Heat version, no doubt.
However, if you just want the LaCroy special ingredients to be used in a combo, I think you should get either TE
unscented or NPA... and use it with Chikara or AE.
Hello bjf,Originally Posted by bjf
well, no need for saying sorry.I am definitely
not more confused. Far from it! I knew the options before ans thought about them. You gave me very much of the
information I still needed ( and not yet asked about ).
So there are two options left for me:
1. Chikara plus
TE unscented or
2. Chikara plus TE Essentilas Arouser. ( Has the Essentials series a unscrewable cap? How do you
apply it? Is it a dropper or sprayer bottle)
The point is: How well does the Arouser smell mixes with that of
Chikara. Most of the time I will probably use
the combination of both products!
Thanks
Ingo
Indigo. Arouser goes well with
Chikara. And yes, it has an unscrewable cap. People do anywhere from 2-8 dabs of edge. As far as spraying goes,
most stick to 1-2 sprays, but on some people, even one spray is too much.
Eight dabs is getting close to a
spray. Difficult to measure these things.
If you are going to go the edge unscented route, just get edge
scented (sandalwood) because though it still needs a cover (chikara will work well with that), it does smell better
on its own than standard te unscented.
Hello bjf,Originally Posted by bjf
so with
other words the sandalwood scent is much lighter than that of TE Arouser?!?! Will the arouser smell cover chikara?
I have to say that i ovrall only want a light scent on my body ( Chikara and TE (which version ever )
together)!
I wouldn't dislike the possibility to use TE alone at times.
Greetings
Ingo
Sandalwood scent is lighter. They
shortchanged the sandalwood in there or something, which is why the bad smell of the edge still comes
through.
Arouser is pretty heavy scent. Yes, it can change the Chikara scent. The two will mix together and
form something in-between (obviously). Chikara is a sweet vanilla musk while Arouser is a heavy cedar.
Thanks, that gives me a clear decision against the Essential versions.Originally Posted by bjf
So the Sandalwood
won't change the Chikara scent much but improve the smell when I use TE it alone. Did I get that rigth?
That's right... but if you're not certain about what you should buy, try getting some TE gelOriginally Posted by Ingo
packs (sandalwood scented) and do some experimenting with them (standalone or combined with Chikara).
Hello Bobby,Originally Posted by Chemo (BDC Concepts)
thanks for your advice again. I have two more questions about Perception.
As I
am no native english speaker and I didn't understand all words and phrases on your webpage my first question is:
1. What would be the advantages of perception toward a product containing exactly the same pheromones in the same
concentration in an convential alcohol base.
2. What does Androsterone do compared to -none and -nol.
Best
regards
Ingo
Perception features a unique pheromone ratio outside of any product. That fact alone, inOriginally Posted by Ingo
our eyes based on research, makes it quite effective. Part of the incentive is the formula we have used to create
the matrix Perception is housed in. Essentially we have derived a formula that avoids transdermal uptake and
provides for an extended release giving effects up to 12 hours or more where other products cannot. As for the
difference between nol, rone, and none... this is up for much debate. Some people say none isn't effective, others
say it is. Feedback says one thing and in another thread says another. If you read the cookbook, the basic is that
none = sexual, nol = social, rone = hybrid. While I don't necessarily agree with the basic descriptions.....I feel
most combinations are synergistic (or the lack thereof), and it is difficult to provide a explanation for each. Out
of curiousity, I want to invite Dr. Smell This to come in as I respect much of what he has to say and I would like
to open this portion up to him to provide what HE believes nol, none, and rone provide in terms of results. Not to
put you on the spot, but DST tends to present ideas that go outside of the norm, which might lead into some
interesting discussion.
Hello,Originally Posted by BDC_Concepts
thank you for the information.
I agree with you regarding the opinion of the doctor!
Regards
Ingo
Last edited by Indigo; 08-25-2004 at 12:24 AM.
I
agree, Matt. Everything interacts. No one pheromone is better than another, though -nol and -none are easier to use
in isolation for attraction. All their qualities together provide the best results, in the proper proportions. In
psychological terms, average levels among various pheromones should vary with personality traits; and a well
balanced "pheromone personality" profile is best. We still often talk about them as having individual
"characters," though.
Consider -rone. As with the other two, there's a good bit of research and anecdotal
storytelling on androsterone. JVK has called androsterone alpha-maleness; or simply, maleness. Putting it all
together with my private impressions suggests that androsterone feels like "Charlton Heston as Moses" -- young and
capable; yet fatherly, brotherly and safe. A leader, steward, or protector -- a mature hero -- might emit a lot of
-rone. -Rone is an attention grabber as well as -none, but grabs it more gently by comparison. Dosage of -rone is
very senstive, in that optimizing it really sweetens the effect of a mix, but too much flirts with LJBF (or "LJB
brothers and sisters") territory; and deadens it a bit. This is why it is good to get chem set -rone at some point,
to get that increased control in trying to hit the sweet spot. Since -rone, as a DHEA metabolite, varies with the
amount of DHEA, one might suppose it peaks before well before age 25 and declines thereafter. So questions about any
"fatherly effect" arise. Is its possible another -mone emerges to take its place after 25? Could -rone and
age-increased estrogen metabolites interact somehow? Could pathways other than arising directly from DHEA pick up
the slack as we age? Am I mistaking "fatherly" for "brotherly"? Related experiences while using WAGG, V5 and
Chikara suggest other mones and their ratios contribute to such effects as well. Discuss!
-Nol is a largely
gender-neutral mone that signifies youth -- possibly a bit moreso for men -- and femininity -- possibly a bit moreso
for women. In men it is combined with other things that distinguish it from the female profile, and vice-versa. For
men, the trick with -nol is to suggest youth but not femininity. Women might have a bigger range here.
Androstenone is like raw machismo juice, and must be used very harmoniously and judiciously, especially by women.
It might vary closely with testosterone, which doesn't decline as drastically with age. -None research presented by
those critical of -none is flawed in not varying dosage, while it has provided valuable information on interaction
with ovulation.
Of course, other -mones are important too. Talk amongst yourselves...
Last edited by DrSmellThis; 08-25-2004 at 02:48 AM.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Hello Bobby and Matt,
will there
be a possibility later to buy only the pheromone product without the scent? I think that would be a great advantage
for customers not wanting to use the fragrance or who only need e.g. half a bottle of the scent for one bottle of
the pheromones.
That would save one atomizer in that case, thus save money and make the product more attractive!
Best regards and thanks for your support
Ingo
Excellent post Doc, but where does
A1 fit into all of this?
I guess it doesn't, since A1
is in neither Chikara nor Perception.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
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