Chikara or Perception ?

[Mtnjim]

I guess it

doesn't, since A1 is in neither Chikara nor Perception.

You're sure??

[DrSmellThis]

No sir -- I only know what the

man Bruce has said, which is that the 4 CHK secrets were heretofore unavailable at L-S, which would elimenate A1.

[Mtnjim]

No sir -- I only

know what the man Bruce has said, which is that the 4 CHK secrets were heretofore unavailable at L-S, which would

elimenate A1.

Ah! Yes, now that you mention it, he did say that. (You'll understand when you're

old and senile )

[Indigo]

Essentially we

have derived a formula that avoids transdermal uptake and provides for an extended release giving effects up to 12

hours or more where other products cannot.

Hello Matt,

I have got one more question about the water

base.
When sweating, does the pheromones get affected more or less then those in convential alcohol based

pheromones?

Regards

Ingo

[Chemo (BDC Concepts)]

Ingo,

See my

post here: here

If you need further

clarification just let me know!

Bobby

[bjf]

Putting it all

together with my private impressions suggests that androsterone feels like "Charlton Heston as Moses" -- young and

capable; yet fatherly, brotherly and safe. A leader, steward, or protector -- a mature hero -- might emit a lot of

-rone. -Rone is an attention grabber as well as -none, but grabs it more gently by comparison. Dosage of -rone is

very senstive, in that optimizing it really sweetens the effect of a mix, but too much flirts with LJBF (or "LJB

brothers and sisters") territory; and deadens it a bit. This is why it is good to get chem set -rone at some point,

to get that increased control in trying to hit the sweet spot.

Could it be because our stress levels

are lower in platonic or family relationships compared to the excited/nervousness of sexual relationships?

[DrSmellThis]

Internal hormonal differences

and adrenal stimulation are a big part of it, of course. I don't think too much adrenaline is good, though.

[bjf]

I am just trying to figure out why

too much rone is a bad thing. You described it as LJB brother sister zone.

Perhaps the higher A/E ratio

someone might have around brothers or sisters compared to mates is the reason. All speculation, of course.

[DrSmellThis]

"Too fatherly" might be

another way of looking at it.

[bjf]

don't a lot of chicks want "exactly

fatherly"

[Mtnjim]

I am just trying to

figure out why too much rone is a bad thing. ...

I've been playing with a high ~Rone mix (4-~nol, 3

~Rone, 2-A1, 1 ~none) and it seems to be getting some interesting results. A couple of days ago, I was standing in a

hall waiting for a class to end so I could go into a classroom (to fix a computer) . The hall is an outside balcony.

Normally the students (college age) are intent on getting to their destinations. That particular day, however, I was

getting smiles and stares from a number of the young women. It isn't so much "I got stares and smiles" as the out

of the ordinary reactions, remember, I'm an old guy(56), old enough to be "invisiable" to 20something

girls.

This particular high ~rone mix seems to be working in other circumstances (with older women) as

well.

Just to point out, the ~Nol is from PI/w, the ~Rone is CS, and the ~none is NPA. The mix is covered w/

Chikara 4 sprays.

[DrSmellThis]

I got better results with 1 cs

-rone (still a pretty good amount) than two when I experimented way back when. I also saw a Maiworm study that

showed -rone enhanced positive responses, except for sexual ones. But I know it enhances sexual responses in the

right amount, and heard about Stone's pilot research that supported this.

[CptKipling]

Maybe too much -rone causes

things to become too safe/sedated/boring?

As a side note, we don't really know how much our bodies age induced

reduction in DHEA levels affects -rone output. It could be the case that production stays fairly constant. Another

posibility is that more is produced as responce to having a territory (house, family, etc.).

[Pancho1188]

I got

better results with 1 cs -rone (still a pretty good amount) than two when I experimented way back when. I also saw a

Maiworm study that showed -rone enhanced positive responses, except for sexual ones. But I know it enhances sexual

responses in the right amount, and heard about Stone's pilot research that supported this.

I heard

about Stone Temple Pilot's research that supported this...it said that it was mainly plush, dead and bloated, makes

you look like a creep if used near a sour girl during an interstate lovesong while traveling through a wicked garden

and thinking about heaven and hotrods. It smelled like vasoline, made you feel down like you have a big empty

inside, but can give you the big bang, baby, and make you look like a sex type thing. I believe it's all in the

suit that you wear, but I have no memory.



I wanted to make a joke about that so bad that I'm willing

to try really hard to contribute to this thread...

Okay, after catching up on this thing...

1. I've used

Perception and Chikara. I think I have one of the 'bad' Chikara bottles as the spray bottle doesn't spray very

well, but the product didn't leak! You won't hear any complaints from me...just the noise of an extra spray

whenever I use it... Perception works decently, I believe...I think it's a nice scent, and it's good to

throw on and forget about. I have yet to get any major reactions with either, but I have not used them much yet.



2. As Seinfeld would say, "What's the deal with -rone? Nobody ever talks about it, it's never the

highly-advertised ingredient in any product? What's up with that?" Seriously, though, I'm glad someone brought

it up because I've always tried to figure out what -rone does. When I was a newbie, the first response was, "No

one is quite sure what -rone does." Anyway, with this talk that -none attracts pigs more than humans and -nol turns

to -none, then what's going on here? Would the almighty creator of SOE (playful exaggeration) conjecture that the

'secret ingredients' in TE are more likely to cause the reactions in people than the -none? Why isn't -rone in a

higher percentage if people think it has more effects because humans produce it naturally. If it smells like

'fresh sweat', I assume that's a good thing because that would make it similar to the real thing that has been

part of the mating process for years before soap was invented and commonly used...

I've always wondered about

-rone...oh, well.

[deepblue]

No sir -- I

only know what the man Bruce has said, which is that the 4 CHK secrets were heretofore unavailable at L-S, which

would elimenate A1.

What exactly are the 4 CHK secret mones? Sounds interesting ...

Also do any of these

cause allergic reactions? I find I can only use the best quality perfumes and colognes. Makes buying a little hard

sometimes.

[Indigo]

However you decide be sure to post your feedback!
Bobby

Hello folks,



first of all thanks for your detailed an very helpful answers. It helped me very much to come to an

decision!
I just got my Chikara and NPA ( I read much about this combination, I just had to test it) !
I

posted my first feedback about the last test weekend here:



http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php

?p=137737#post137737

Best regards

Indigo