Give it a try! or
else you will just sit & wonder.
Good Luck to you Snoopy.
Thanks SweetBrenda
Hey,
does anyone think my plan will work? My friend will be at my house while I'm out delivering the package because he
always stops by after we play. I'll be sure to shower all the sweat off, and I'll probably go for 2.5 sprays of
Chikara on upper chest/arms. If things go REALLY well, maybe she'll want to come over after I drop off the package.
But my friend will be there so it won't really be 1 on 1, but can still be fun. This girl lives 2 minute drive from
me by the way.
Give it a try! or
else you will just sit & wonder.
Good Luck to you Snoopy.
I know SweetBrenda told you to just do it, but I think this is too elaborate and contrived. Just let herOriginally Posted by Snoopy
know you are bringing it after the game. Don't hug her. Let her hug you.
Hold yourself back. Exert some
self-control. Do NOT obsess over this girl. Do NOT act like she is your only hope.
LET IT HAPPEN. Don't make
it happen.
I'm afraid you are quite wrong, DrSmellThis. Severe cases ofOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
acne have been related to suicidal thoughts often (and even more than that). I was told that during my study period
in the dermatologist service of the Hospital where I am studying (medical studant).
I am sorry that it didn't work for your brother. Did heOriginally Posted by bjf
follow all advices given by the doctor that perscribed him the Roaccutane? Did he do the whole treatment, till the
end? How many months did he take Roaccutane?
Anyway, statistically speaking, Roaccutane is BY FAR the best
treatment for those who suffer from moderate to severe acne... or "resistant" acne (really, the difference is HUGE,
really really big difference to other treatments used for severe acne, although there are other that can bring good
results). Of course, Isotretinoin does not solve ALL cases of acne and sometimes a second cycle of Roaccutan is
needed to put an end to it. So, results do vary, obviously.
With all due respect , a 10 percent benz. peroxide
face wash will do NOTHING to anyone who suffers from severe or resistant acne, believe me, I know what I am saying
(no, I am not refering to what happened to me, I am just quoting medical facts). It may be very useful for light to
moderate acne, but some cases of acne cannot be solved correctly without the use of Roaccutane.
Remember, we
also have to make everything that prevents permanent damage to our skin and Roaccutane does that too (in fact,
Roaccutane is the only medicin that acts in ALL aspects of acne). Those who suffer from serious acne may end having
a damaged skin for the rest of their lives (or for several years... those damages eventually end up fading as time
passes by, but it takes LONG).
I am also sorry that your brother got depressed. Doing this kind of treatment
(with roaccutan) with all side effects that we know (especially really dry skin, if no other serious side effects
occured, I won't list them here) and in the end seeing almost no results at all may really be depressing. But would
you say that he got depressed due to Roaccutane or because his acne (which obviously disturbed him, as it does for
everyone who has acne) didn't disappear even after doing such an intense treatment?
Sorry for the long post. I
am very interested about this subject and I find it nice that we are discussing it here. Also, sorry for my
English... it's not my native language.
Don't worry, only a very ignorant woman would think that! And you don't want thatOriginally Posted by Snoopy
kind of woman, do you?
Good luck with the girl...
Yup!! what ToBeOrNotToBe
said.
Severe acne is best treated by
a doctor, not by people on a forum, in my opinion.
I just wish I had said one more thing before I ran off to get
my hair cut earlier. And that is this: if you're a guy and you get a girl into your arms, remember that friends
hug, lovers kiss.
If you take a girl in your arms, if she tries to get away from you, let her go. If she
doesn't try to get away from you, look her in the eye. If she hugs you, she is LJBFing you (or maybe testing you).
If she waits and looks back, you have a chance to kiss her.
Then it's YOUR move.
That's not the kind of
opportunity you waste on a hug if you're really into a girl and she is into you.
Good luck, Snoopy.
oh wow! I totally loved this. This is veryOriginally Posted by Friendly1
sincere and I think you are very correct in giving him this advice. And yes is also true severe acne is to be
treated by a Dr but he is here asking us for our opinion and you did exactly that! and well said too.
hugs
2B, I don't want to debate,
as I would then be hijacking the thread. Everyone knows I love to admit when I am wrong, but sadly in this case I
cannot. Med schools should teach, but sometimes don't, that correlation does not = causation. So pimples do not
cause suicide any more than divorce, arguments with bosses, Mondays, holidays, being a psychiatrist, or any other
coexisting factors that may happen to be there. You would be correct, however, were you to say that an acne outbreak
is one stressor that can trigger clinically significant mood problems in those otherwise susceptible (or a
relapse/episode in those with a mood disorder). Suicide attempts depend on the presence of a mood disorder (other
psychiatric/physical disorders may or may not be copresent), and are a direct symptom of mood disorders. There may
be exceptions in the case of religious (e.g., terrorist, cult) suicides. There are also cases, which are not
exceptions, where the acne is a symptom of another condition which is primary to a secondary mood disorder (e.g., an
endocrine disorder). Suicidal thoughts on occasion happen to most of us at one time or another, as an existential
possibility; but the same logic applies to chronic self-harm thoughts. I specialized in suicide/crisis work for 3+
years, and would not mislead you on this. Lots of people who get severe acne do not suffer from clinically
significant mood problems (e.g., my housemate, who is always cheerful) or attending thoughts of self-harm. But even
normal sadness, embarassment and/or frustration with an acne outbreak is very different from clinical mood
symptoms, depression or suicidality. They often cover this diagnostic stuff in hospital psychiatric rotations.
Last edited by DrSmellThis; 08-04-2004 at 11:05 AM.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
So acne can lead to depression which then leads to suicidalOriginally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe
thoughts.
Now listening to: "I Feel Like Shit" - Suicidal Tendencies
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Close, Mr. Holmes, but acne
does not, technically, cause depression either (See above post).
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Goddammit. You mean I just
listened to that crap for nothing?
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
I am not sure of this and
don't feel like checking it out (mainly because this thread is really pissing me off) but I think I read somewhere
that it's not the acne that brings on the feelings of taking one's life but the drug roaccutan might itself be the
cause. I do believe that DST's advice and mine were given on the basis of experience and a desire to help this
guy. All I'm hearing from this guy seems to be more whining. Has he called his family Dr about the Tetracycline,
no - he bitches about it taking a month to see the specialist for the umpteenth time. Perhaps some of the
recommendations we've made in an effort to improve his life are just too simple for him, I don't know. sorry,
this thread has gotten under my skin.
Hey guys and gals,
Wanna know
how my day went? I'll fill you in!
Went to play badminton today after work. I did my hair in a rush and
dressed in my nicest sports gear. 1 shot Chikara to chest, 1 to arms. Good thing I did this. There was this really
cute girl there... and I ended up playing a few games with her and having a nice chat with her afterwards! She was
real nice, a bit on the shy side, the other times I've seen her there she's never talked to anyone. When she
really opened up to me (she was very excited) I was happy.
Then I went home with a friend. I got the package,
took a shower (cuz I was sweaty) and headed over to her house. I did 2 shots Chikara to chest, 1 to arms. Styled my
hair, put on my nicest pair of jeans and shirt, then drove over. Talked for a bit, blah blah blah. Helped her dad
fix up his computer while she blabbered on the phone. I made her get off it so I could "use" it. Then after I fixed
her dad's computer she made up some wierd lie to her parents that I got a new hamster and that she wanted to go
over and see it. So ok.. whatever, I just followed. We got to my place, my friend and brother were there (so it
wasn't 1 on 1 time), we popped in a movie and watched it. This is only my second time using mones. I couldn't
smell the Chikara, so I went and shot 1 more to my chest. Mistake maybe? During the movie I smelt CAT PISS. -none
OD? Nobody else noticed it, my friend acted normal, so did my brother. The girl didn't seem to respond either.
So I drive both of them home. I drive my friend home first. THEN she starts opening up. Nothing sexual or
anything, but we were really friendly and basically laughing our asses off the way back. We made up stupid songs and
sang them together in the car. Whatever, lol.
Interesting night for me. It's getting late and I have to work
tomorrow. The acne didn't get to me ONE bit. I totally forgot it was there.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SUPPORT!!!
Tee hee!Originally Posted by Holmes
Congrats on the good night, Snoop!
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
some things end well -
good!!!!
Quite interestingOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
what you have said and you are right about most things. But again, I must say you are wrong about what you said in
this sentence.
Acne definitely causes depression. Not in a direct way, but because of the consequences
for the social and emotional life of those who suffer from serious acne. It's quite frequent that those people go
to a psychiatric consult due to the depression caused by the acne.
And no, I am not saying that this condition
is more likely to lead to suicide than a divorce or other serious hardships. In theory, acne is not a disease and
it's not something that threats one's health/life. But the effects in the social and emotional part of one's life
are obvious. I've lived it in the past (not with severe acne, fortunately, it was a lot less serious but still had
a good impact in my life) and I've seen it in the Hospital where I study.
However, obviously we can't say
everyone with acne has social and emotional problems... some deal with it very very well. Cases of severe acne are
rare and I'm sure someone who suffered from that couldn't have a normal life (have you seen any?)... And these
people would have all reasons to treat it with Roaccutane... in fact, the only medicin really good to treat that
kind of acne.
We all deal with issues
differently. And the best thing we all can do is to give support to those who ask for it. We are not here to say
who's wrong or right. We might like someone's else opnion better than others and that is the best part of it. We
all have different ways to see things and express our point of views. Now is up to the person to take some of the
advice given. I personally do take some of the advice from others.
Adios 4 now.
Well, we all have to learn by doing, when it comes to pheromones. But IOriginally Posted by Snoopy
think I would have to agree that less would have been more in your situation. You got eager and hopeful. That
almost always leads to nothing.
Just spend time with the girl. Don't try to rush things. Sounds like you are
doing okay.
Remember what I said about the hugging versus the kissing. You did good with the other girl.
Don't go ballistic over one girl. She probably has other options she can play. You're lucky to have so much
interest from her right now. That can change for reasons which have nothing to do with you.
High doses of Vitamin B5...
5 to 6 grams a day. It fights even the hardest acne.
Adams
If that helps, I'd bet
combining with niacin would enhance the effect.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Oxycute 'em.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Large doses of B5 gives me high
blood pressure...
I was on 5-10g of B5 for several months. It worked well, but my heart would be beating so fast
during NORMAL times that it would just freak me out.
Plus I would have to run to the washroom every time I took
a dose after a large meal.
Here's my facial wash
routine:
Morning:
- 2.5% BP wash (ProActiv)
- 2.5% BP lotion (ProActiv)
- Hydrating lotion with Zinc
(Vichy)
After work (5:00):
- 2.5% BP wash
- Hydrating lotion with Zinc (Vichy)
After shower and before going to
bed:
- Same as morning
- Sulfur facial mask applied to "spots" for overnight treatment
Every few days I do an
Aspirin facial. I crush up 4 uncoated aspirin pills and mix with honey and a few drops of water. I spread it all
over my face, let it dry for 15 minutes, and then gently wash it off. My skin is very smooth after, pores are
tighter, and spots are less red.
Diet:
- I eat a balanced diet, but I don't eat that much meat
- I love
fruits and vegetables
- I don't eat junk food, candy, or fast foods often (maybe once every 2 weeks)
- 3-4
bottles of 500ml water per day
Suppliments:
- 1 High Potentcy Multivitamin + 2 Capsules of 1000mg Omega 3 fish
oils + 1000 IU Vitamin C each morning
- 2 Fish oils + 10mg Zinc after lunch
- 2 Fish oils + Flax Seed oil after
dinner
- 2 Fish oils before going to bed
- 100g Alpha Lipoic Acid every other day or so
I am doing a
RIDICULOUS amount of things to my face. I am a perfectionist, and when I look into the mirror and see something that
is not perfect, I lose confidence in myself.
I might start B5 again in smaller doses if things start getting
worse.
I have another skin disorder called eczema. I get occasional eczema on my face when it gets dry, but I
make sure my whole body is hydrated properly so that rarely happens.
Some more info on me:
- 19 years old
-
135 lbs
- 5'10
- asian
- non-smoker
- play sports weekly and strech daily to release stress
One of the big
factors I believe is contributing to my acne is lack of sleep. On weekdays I get roughly 4-6 hours of full,
undisturbed sleep. On weekends, I get 7-9 hours of sleep and I feel MUCH better. Getting to bed early for me on
weekdays is a VERY VERY difficult task. I've been trying to do it for several years now but I can never seem to
just fall asleep. I toss and turn for maybe an hour before falling asleep on weekdays...
Since you're a med student,
I'll put it in those terms. 2B, I'm glad you're confident already in your training, and are thinking critically
and assertively about these issues! I don't mind being challenged. But not everybody who walks into a
psychiatrist's office unhappy has depression, to say the least. I'd have to assess the patient first, but the
correct psychiatric diagnosis for the dermatology case you presented would almost always be "Adjustment Disorder
with depressed mood", which is not clinical depression. People can learn to adjust to stressors with a little
help, so a depression diagnosis here could even be misleading and unhelpful, in addition to being wrong, if
it led to strictly pharmaceutical treatment. That is not to rule out that a brief trial on a SSRI or something could
in some cases be indicated, but I'd probably be against it if therapy hadn't been tried first, unless
symptoms were debilitating or dangerous. Those are environmental stressors, and environmental stress is not the
cause of depression, except possibly in the case of traumatic stress, which could damage the nervous sytem in
a lasting way; in which case the correct primary diagnosis would be PTSD rather than depression. Depression
could then be secondary to PTSD, but the diagnosis would typically be only provisional (or a "rule out") in
the absence of other confirmatory information. As far as we know today, clinical depression is by and large a
genetically determined neurological condition, unless secondary to another medical condition that directly affects
the brain/neurotansmitters, in which case the diagnosis might not even be depression even then, but might be the
"trashcan diagnosis", Mood Disorder, NOS ("due to a general medical condition") or some such thing. Acne doesn't
count here, though. If you wanted to learn more you could print out our posts on this and give them to your staff
psychiatrist, not the dermatologist; and ask him or her what their professional opinion is, not that I'd
necessarily let a differing professional opinion change my own mind in this case.
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Snoopy, I
have found something that works on both pimples and eczema (my teenage step-daughter has acne, and my 5 year old has
eczema). Buy some pure, UNREFINED shea butter. After washing your face, apply it to the affected areas. If you
buy the unrefined butter, it is very high in vitamins and fatty acids that actually help to balance the oils
produced by your skin. Make sure that it is not refined butter, and that it has not been processed with chemicals.
It has worked wonders on my two!!
Well who would of thought
butter can help acne?,,, wow! this is good to know Dolly.
Nice! Would I be able to find
that in a grocery store? And how would I apply it (amount, duration, time of day, wash off or leave overnight, etc.)
?
Shea Butter is actually a product
that is manufactured from nuts of the karite tree in Africa. If you can find the unrefined type, it has great
healing properties.
Many skincare products these days, including soaps, lotions, etc. use shea, but they
mostly use the refined type. Refined shea is good for moisturization, but it has had a lot of the vitamins etc
removed through the refining process.
I actually market the unrefined butter, which I purchase through a
distributor who imports it from Africa. Any of you who may be interested, send me a PM, and I will give you all the
info!
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