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    Thanks SweetBrenda

    Hey,

    does anyone think my plan will work? My friend will be at my house while I'm out delivering the package because he

    always stops by after we play. I'll be sure to shower all the sweat off, and I'll probably go for 2.5 sprays of

    Chikara on upper chest/arms. If things go REALLY well, maybe she'll want to come over after I drop off the package.

    But my friend will be there so it won't really be 1 on 1, but can still be fun. This girl lives 2 minute drive from

    me by the way.

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    Give it a try! or

    else you will just sit & wonder.
    Good Luck to you Snoopy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy
    Here's my plan

    though. I'm getting my friend to drop it off at my house later tonight. Then, I'm going to drive over to her house

    with the package, call her on my cell and tell her that the guy couldn't get it today and she'd have to wait until

    tomorrow. Then I'm going to ring her doorbell, give her the biggest hug ever, and deliver the package to

    her.
    I know SweetBrenda told you to just do it, but I think this is too elaborate and contrived. Just let her

    know you are bringing it after the game. Don't hug her. Let her hug you.

    Hold yourself back. Exert some

    self-control. Do NOT obsess over this girl. Do NOT act like she is your only hope.

    LET IT HAPPEN. Don't make

    it happen.

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    I'll let you guys know what

    happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
    Acne

    does not cause suicide. Depression does.
    I'm afraid you are quite wrong, DrSmellThis. Severe cases of

    acne have been related to suicidal thoughts often (and even more than that). I was told that during my study period

    in the dermatologist service of the Hospital where I am studying (medical studant).


    Quote Originally Posted by bjf
    With all due

    respect, I am sure that it worked for you, but not at all for my brother. Everything came back, it was far from

    permanent, and definitely did cause depression.

    Results vary in anyone, which is why some of the claims are

    BS.

    I think a 10 percent benz. peroxide face wash, will help things alot, and it will only cost about 6 bucks to

    see if it helps. I am pretty sure it will.
    I am sorry that it didn't work for your brother. Did he

    follow all advices given by the doctor that perscribed him the Roaccutane? Did he do the whole treatment, till the

    end? How many months did he take Roaccutane?

    Anyway, statistically speaking, Roaccutane is BY FAR the best

    treatment for those who suffer from moderate to severe acne... or "resistant" acne (really, the difference is HUGE,

    really really big difference to other treatments used for severe acne, although there are other that can bring good

    results). Of course, Isotretinoin does not solve ALL cases of acne and sometimes a second cycle of Roaccutan is

    needed to put an end to it. So, results do vary, obviously.

    With all due respect , a 10 percent benz. peroxide

    face wash will do NOTHING to anyone who suffers from severe or resistant acne, believe me, I know what I am saying

    (no, I am not refering to what happened to me, I am just quoting medical facts). It may be very useful for light to

    moderate acne, but some cases of acne cannot be solved correctly without the use of Roaccutane.

    Remember, we

    also have to make everything that prevents permanent damage to our skin and Roaccutane does that too (in fact,

    Roaccutane is the only medicin that acts in ALL aspects of acne). Those who suffer from serious acne may end having

    a damaged skin for the rest of their lives (or for several years... those damages eventually end up fading as time

    passes by, but it takes LONG).

    I am also sorry that your brother got depressed. Doing this kind of treatment

    (with roaccutan) with all side effects that we know (especially really dry skin, if no other serious side effects

    occured, I won't list them here) and in the end seeing almost no results at all may really be depressing. But would

    you say that he got depressed due to Roaccutane or because his acne (which obviously disturbed him, as it does for

    everyone who has acne) didn't disappear even after doing such an intense treatment?

    Sorry for the long post. I

    am very interested about this subject and I find it nice that we are discussing it here. Also, sorry for my

    English... it's not my native language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy
    If a guy has

    lots of pimples, what is your first impression of him? Do you think maybe he doesn't wash his face, is unsanitary,

    or eats unhealthy foods?
    Don't worry, only a very ignorant woman would think that! And you don't want that

    kind of woman, do you?

    Good luck with the girl...

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    Yup!! what ToBeOrNotToBe

    said.

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    Severe acne is best treated by

    a doctor, not by people on a forum, in my opinion.

    I just wish I had said one more thing before I ran off to get

    my hair cut earlier. And that is this: if you're a guy and you get a girl into your arms, remember that friends

    hug, lovers kiss.

    If you take a girl in your arms, if she tries to get away from you, let her go. If she

    doesn't try to get away from you, look her in the eye. If she hugs you, she is LJBFing you (or maybe testing you).

    If she waits and looks back, you have a chance to kiss her.

    Then it's YOUR move.

    That's not the kind of

    opportunity you waste on a hug if you're really into a girl and she is into you.

    Good luck, Snoopy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendly1
    Severe acne

    is best treated by a doctor, not by people on a forum, in my opinion.

    I just wish I had said one

    more thing before I ran off to get my hair cut earlier. And that is this: if you're a guy and you get a girl into

    your arms, remember that friends hug, lovers kiss.


    If you take a girl in your arms, if she

    tries to get away from you, let her go. If she doesn't try to get away from you, look her in the eye. If she hugs

    you, she is LJBFing you (or maybe testing you). If she waits and looks back, you have a chance to kiss

    her.


    Then it's YOUR move.

    That's not the kind of opportunity you waste on a hug if you're really

    into a girl and she is into you.

    Good luck, Snoopy.
    oh wow! I totally loved this. This is very

    sincere and I think you are very correct in giving him this advice. And yes is also true severe acne is to be

    treated by a Dr but he is here asking us for our opinion and you did exactly that! and well said too.
    hugs

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    2B, I don't want to debate,

    as I would then be hijacking the thread. Everyone knows I love to admit when I am wrong, but sadly in this case I

    cannot. Med schools should teach, but sometimes don't, that correlation does not = causation. So pimples do not

    cause suicide any more than divorce, arguments with bosses, Mondays, holidays, being a psychiatrist, or any other

    coexisting factors that may happen to be there. You would be correct, however, were you to say that an acne outbreak

    is one stressor that can trigger clinically significant mood problems in those otherwise susceptible (or a

    relapse/episode in those with a mood disorder). Suicide attempts depend on the presence of a mood disorder (other

    psychiatric/physical disorders may or may not be copresent), and are a direct symptom of mood disorders. There may

    be exceptions in the case of religious (e.g., terrorist, cult) suicides. There are also cases, which are not

    exceptions, where the acne is a symptom of another condition which is primary to a secondary mood disorder (e.g., an

    endocrine disorder). Suicidal thoughts on occasion happen to most of us at one time or another, as an existential

    possibility; but the same logic applies to chronic self-harm thoughts. I specialized in suicide/crisis work for 3+

    years, and would not mislead you on this. Lots of people who get severe acne do not suffer from clinically

    significant mood problems (e.g., my housemate, who is always cheerful) or attending thoughts of self-harm. But even

    normal sadness, embarassment and/or frustration with an acne outbreak is very different from clinical mood

    symptoms, depression or suicidality. They often cover this diagnostic stuff in hospital psychiatric rotations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe
    I'm afraid

    you are quite wrong, DrSmellThis. Severe cases of acne have been related to suicidal thoughts often (and even more

    than that). I was told that during my study period in the dermatologist service of the Hospital where I am studying

    (medical studant).
    So acne can lead to depression which then leads to suicidal

    thoughts.

    Now listening to: "I Feel Like Shit" - Suicidal Tendencies
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    Close, Mr. Holmes, but acne

    does not, technically, cause depression either (See above post).
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    Goddammit. You mean I just

    listened to that crap for nothing?
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    I am not sure of this and

    don't feel like checking it out (mainly because this thread is really pissing me off) but I think I read somewhere

    that it's not the acne that brings on the feelings of taking one's life but the drug roaccutan might itself be the

    cause. I do believe that DST's advice and mine were given on the basis of experience and a desire to help this

    guy. All I'm hearing from this guy seems to be more whining. Has he called his family Dr about the Tetracycline,

    no - he bitches about it taking a month to see the specialist for the umpteenth time. Perhaps some of the

    recommendations we've made in an effort to improve his life are just too simple for him, I don't know. sorry,

    this thread has gotten under my skin.

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    Hey guys and gals,

    Wanna know

    how my day went? I'll fill you in!

    Went to play badminton today after work. I did my hair in a rush and

    dressed in my nicest sports gear. 1 shot Chikara to chest, 1 to arms. Good thing I did this. There was this really

    cute girl there... and I ended up playing a few games with her and having a nice chat with her afterwards! She was

    real nice, a bit on the shy side, the other times I've seen her there she's never talked to anyone. When she

    really opened up to me (she was very excited) I was happy.

    Then I went home with a friend. I got the package,

    took a shower (cuz I was sweaty) and headed over to her house. I did 2 shots Chikara to chest, 1 to arms. Styled my

    hair, put on my nicest pair of jeans and shirt, then drove over. Talked for a bit, blah blah blah. Helped her dad

    fix up his computer while she blabbered on the phone. I made her get off it so I could "use" it. Then after I fixed

    her dad's computer she made up some wierd lie to her parents that I got a new hamster and that she wanted to go

    over and see it. So ok.. whatever, I just followed. We got to my place, my friend and brother were there (so it

    wasn't 1 on 1 time), we popped in a movie and watched it. This is only my second time using mones. I couldn't

    smell the Chikara, so I went and shot 1 more to my chest. Mistake maybe? During the movie I smelt CAT PISS. -none

    OD? Nobody else noticed it, my friend acted normal, so did my brother. The girl didn't seem to respond either.



    So I drive both of them home. I drive my friend home first. THEN she starts opening up. Nothing sexual or

    anything, but we were really friendly and basically laughing our asses off the way back. We made up stupid songs and

    sang them together in the car. Whatever, lol.

    Interesting night for me. It's getting late and I have to work

    tomorrow. The acne didn't get to me ONE bit. I totally forgot it was there.

    THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SUPPORT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes
    Goddammit. You

    mean I just listened to that crap for nothing?
    Tee hee!

    Congrats on the good night, Snoop!
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    some things end well -

    good!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
    Close,

    Mr. Holmes, but acne does not, technically, cause depression either (See above post).
    Quite interesting

    what you have said and you are right about most things. But again, I must say you are wrong about what you said in

    this sentence.

    Acne definitely causes depression. Not in a direct way, but because of the consequences

    for the social and emotional life of those who suffer from serious acne. It's quite frequent that those people go

    to a psychiatric consult due to the depression caused by the acne.

    And no, I am not saying that this condition

    is more likely to lead to suicide than a divorce or other serious hardships. In theory, acne is not a disease and

    it's not something that threats one's health/life. But the effects in the social and emotional part of one's life

    are obvious. I've lived it in the past (not with severe acne, fortunately, it was a lot less serious but still had

    a good impact in my life) and I've seen it in the Hospital where I study.

    However, obviously we can't say

    everyone with acne has social and emotional problems... some deal with it very very well. Cases of severe acne are

    rare and I'm sure someone who suffered from that couldn't have a normal life (have you seen any?)... And these

    people would have all reasons to treat it with Roaccutane... in fact, the only medicin really good to treat that

    kind of acne.

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    We all deal with issues

    differently. And the best thing we all can do is to give support to those who ask for it. We are not here to say

    who's wrong or right. We might like someone's else opnion better than others and that is the best part of it. We

    all have different ways to see things and express our point of views. Now is up to the person to take some of the

    advice given. I personally do take some of the advice from others.
    Adios 4 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy
    This is only my

    second time using mones. I couldn't smell the Chikara, so I went and shot 1 more to my chest. Mistake maybe? During

    the movie I smelt CAT PISS. -none OD? Nobody else noticed it, my friend acted normal, so did my brother. The girl

    didn't seem to respond either.
    Well, we all have to learn by doing, when it comes to pheromones. But I

    think I would have to agree that less would have been more in your situation. You got eager and hopeful. That

    almost always leads to nothing.

    Just spend time with the girl. Don't try to rush things. Sounds like you are

    doing okay.

    Remember what I said about the hugging versus the kissing. You did good with the other girl.

    Don't go ballistic over one girl. She probably has other options she can play. You're lucky to have so much

    interest from her right now. That can change for reasons which have nothing to do with you.

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    High doses of Vitamin B5...

    5 to 6 grams a day. It fights even the hardest acne.

    Adams

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    If that helps, I'd bet

    combining with niacin would enhance the effect.
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    Oxycute 'em.
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    Large doses of B5 gives me high

    blood pressure...

    I was on 5-10g of B5 for several months. It worked well, but my heart would be beating so fast

    during NORMAL times that it would just freak me out.

    Plus I would have to run to the washroom every time I took

    a dose after a large meal.

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    Here's my facial wash

    routine:
    Morning:
    - 2.5% BP wash (ProActiv)
    - 2.5% BP lotion (ProActiv)
    - Hydrating lotion with Zinc

    (Vichy)
    After work (5:00):
    - 2.5% BP wash
    - Hydrating lotion with Zinc (Vichy)
    After shower and before going to

    bed:
    - Same as morning
    - Sulfur facial mask applied to "spots" for overnight treatment

    Every few days I do an

    Aspirin facial. I crush up 4 uncoated aspirin pills and mix with honey and a few drops of water. I spread it all

    over my face, let it dry for 15 minutes, and then gently wash it off. My skin is very smooth after, pores are

    tighter, and spots are less red.

    Diet:
    - I eat a balanced diet, but I don't eat that much meat
    - I love

    fruits and vegetables
    - I don't eat junk food, candy, or fast foods often (maybe once every 2 weeks)
    - 3-4

    bottles of 500ml water per day

    Suppliments:
    - 1 High Potentcy Multivitamin + 2 Capsules of 1000mg Omega 3 fish

    oils + 1000 IU Vitamin C each morning
    - 2 Fish oils + 10mg Zinc after lunch
    - 2 Fish oils + Flax Seed oil after

    dinner
    - 2 Fish oils before going to bed
    - 100g Alpha Lipoic Acid every other day or so

    I am doing a

    RIDICULOUS amount of things to my face. I am a perfectionist, and when I look into the mirror and see something that

    is not perfect, I lose confidence in myself.

    I might start B5 again in smaller doses if things start getting

    worse.

    I have another skin disorder called eczema. I get occasional eczema on my face when it gets dry, but I

    make sure my whole body is hydrated properly so that rarely happens.

    Some more info on me:
    - 19 years old
    -

    135 lbs
    - 5'10
    - asian
    - non-smoker
    - play sports weekly and strech daily to release stress

    One of the big

    factors I believe is contributing to my acne is lack of sleep. On weekdays I get roughly 4-6 hours of full,

    undisturbed sleep. On weekends, I get 7-9 hours of sleep and I feel MUCH better. Getting to bed early for me on

    weekdays is a VERY VERY difficult task. I've been trying to do it for several years now but I can never seem to

    just fall asleep. I toss and turn for maybe an hour before falling asleep on weekdays...

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    Since you're a med student,

    I'll put it in those terms. 2B, I'm glad you're confident already in your training, and are thinking critically

    and assertively about these issues! I don't mind being challenged. But not everybody who walks into a

    psychiatrist's office unhappy has depression, to say the least. I'd have to assess the patient first, but the

    correct psychiatric diagnosis for the dermatology case you presented would almost always be "Adjustment Disorder

    with depressed mood", which is not clinical depression. People can learn to adjust to stressors with a little

    help, so a depression diagnosis here could even be misleading and unhelpful, in addition to being wrong, if

    it led to strictly pharmaceutical treatment. That is not to rule out that a brief trial on a SSRI or something could

    in some cases be indicated, but I'd probably be against it if therapy hadn't been tried first, unless

    symptoms were debilitating or dangerous. Those are environmental stressors, and environmental stress is not the

    cause of depression, except possibly in the case of traumatic stress, which could damage the nervous sytem in

    a lasting way; in which case the correct primary diagnosis would be PTSD rather than depression. Depression

    could then be secondary to PTSD, but the diagnosis would typically be only provisional (or a "rule out") in

    the absence of other confirmatory information. As far as we know today, clinical depression is by and large a

    genetically determined neurological condition, unless secondary to another medical condition that directly affects

    the brain/neurotansmitters, in which case the diagnosis might not even be depression even then, but might be the

    "trashcan diagnosis", Mood Disorder, NOS ("due to a general medical condition") or some such thing. Acne doesn't

    count here, though. If you wanted to learn more you could print out our posts on this and give them to your staff

    psychiatrist, not the dermatologist; and ask him or her what their professional opinion is, not that I'd

    necessarily let a differing professional opinion change my own mind in this case.
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    Talking Pimples and Eczema relief

    Snoopy, I

    have found something that works on both pimples and eczema (my teenage step-daughter has acne, and my 5 year old has

    eczema). Buy some pure, UNREFINED shea butter. After washing your face, apply it to the affected areas. If you

    buy the unrefined butter, it is very high in vitamins and fatty acids that actually help to balance the oils

    produced by your skin. Make sure that it is not refined butter, and that it has not been processed with chemicals.

    It has worked wonders on my two!!

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    Well who would of thought

    butter can help acne?,,, wow! this is good to know Dolly.

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    Nice! Would I be able to find

    that in a grocery store? And how would I apply it (amount, duration, time of day, wash off or leave overnight, etc.)

    ?

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    Shea Butter is actually a product

    that is manufactured from nuts of the karite tree in Africa. If you can find the unrefined type, it has great

    healing properties.

    Many skincare products these days, including soaps, lotions, etc. use shea, but they

    mostly use the refined type. Refined shea is good for moisturization, but it has had a lot of the vitamins etc

    removed through the refining process.

    I actually market the unrefined butter, which I purchase through a

    distributor who imports it from Africa. Any of you who may be interested, send me a PM, and I will give you all the

    info!

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