Reply With QuoteAny negatory side-effects (raised blood pressure, etc.)?Originally Posted by Whitehall
Yes 4-AD works well for that... but it will suppress your HPTA function, and
not really recommended for that.
Adams
Any negatory side-effects (raised blood pressure, etc.)?
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Well everyone is different... Like me my bloodpressure doesnt
even go up on M1T... but yeah... Blood pressure is an issue... which can be avoided with some hawthorn berry.
The only real thing you need to worry about is natural test suppression. Thats why it should be cycled....
Done for a couple weeks (2 - 8) depending on what you stack it with... then PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) with Nolva or
some Clomid. If you want some more info... there is a WEALTH of knowledge over at
www.anabolicminds.com
Adams
i just finished my nolvadex PCT,
and lost all the M1T gains, pro-hormones SUCKS.
M1t isn't a prohormone, did
you run it all by itself?
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way."
~Becca
it is categorized under
prohormones, i know it's actually anabolic.
I did not stack it.
1 testosterone is actually the
dihydro version of boldenone
a actual steroid how much did you gain?
did you take messurements?
how many
weeks?
how many mgs?
how long was pct?
m1t blows me up big time but its mostly just water i find a
10-15 pound increase in weight with only a 5 pound increase in lbm
Funny how you take a
non-aromatizing compound like 1-t or boldenone, add a methyl group and WHAM, water-retention like m1t or dianabol.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
first week 10 mgs
second week
20 mgs
PCT 2 weeks nolva @ 25 mg/day
I'm planning to do a sustanon/dboll/EQ cycle
Tthats not a great pct IMHO,
especially if it was liquid nolva. I'd reconsider using sustanon if I was you. Change it to Enan or cyp.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
eq should be run for 12 weeks to
see maximum benefit from it.
dbol limit to 6 weeks tops preferably 4
sust needs to be pinned at least 3 times
a week to see good results imo.
you will see better gains off of enan or cyp i deffanatly agree run the test e or
cyp 1 week longer than the eq
I know it's better to combine
it with enth. But i really want to try sust because some friends of mine made some really good progress with
it.
My cycle:
Injecting 2X/week. Monday + thursday
1-4: dboll 35 mg ED
1-12: EQ 400 mg/week
1-10:
sustanon 500 mg/week
PCT:
11-16: 20 mg nolvadex
13&14: 100 mg clomid
15&16: 50 mg
clomid
Little HCG doses during the cycle.
I'm not doing it this year, maybe next year.
Damnit.... Just because someone
happened to do good on sust doesn't mean that it works well... For the most part it's levels are determined by the
short esters... and prop 2x a week isn't going to do crap for you. If you are going to use it, at least try and
find basskilleronline's theory on dosing schedules for constant levels... that is the key to solid gains with
minimal sides IMHO... I really think people see sust as "superior" because it has many different ESTERS of test, not
many kinds of test... test is test is test is test... no matter what ester you put on it... Me I'm a big fan of
prop for short cycles and cyp for long ones due to the ease of handling the raws.
You also might want to
re-consider the sust/eq end timing if nothing else... I like to run test equal or longer than any other compound
personally.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
running test longer then other
compounds works better its easier pct to come off of test then to come off other substances or more then one
Actually, I disagree.lol... naw...
i remember he was all about Deca, Primo, and Test. He would have NEVER touched the prohormones.. not hardcore
enough
Adams
The prohormones on the market have a lot
worse side effects then most properly used "illegal" anabolic steroids. Simple as that.
EQ really is best for longer cycles. Also, throw in an AI (aromatise inhibitor (sp?)) such as
armidex or femara to keep the geno away.
Also, you need to remember that different esters will cause the
compounds to be in your blood for different amounts of time, your PCT should not start until all of the anabolics
are out of your blood, otherwise your body will still see that there is elevated levels of hormones and will refuse
to put your boys back online.
Steroid.....Time After Administration.....Clomid Length
Aratest...........................3 weeks........3 weeks
Anadrol50/Anapolan50........8-12 hours.....3
weeks
Deca Durobolan................3 weeks........4 weeks
Dianabol..........................4-8
hours.......3 weeks
Equipoise.........................17-21 days.....3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone............3
days...........3 weeks
Primobolan Depot..............10-14 days.....2 weeks
Sustanon.........................3 weeks........3 weeks
Test Cypionate.................2 weeks........3
weeks
Test Enthenate/Testoviron..2 weeks........3 weeks
Test Propionate.................3 days..........3
weeks
Test Suspension................4-8 hours......2 weeks
Winstrol...........................8-12
hours.....2 weeks
As you can see, it would be a much better idea to run both the sustanon and the EQ to week
12 then start the PCT on week 15. Hope this helps.
Damn!! Steve Reeves and his buddys
must be spinning in their graves. They had to actually work for their physiques (and eat a lot of raw eggs).
(BTW, had a buddy who was a big time Canadian BB (Mr. Canada) who died from cancer as a result fo
chems!)
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
Damn!! Steve Reeves
and his buddys must be spinning in their graves. They had to actually work for their physiques (and eat a lot of raw
eggs).
Seriously. And Reg Park and all those guys.
Today it must be cake
by comparison.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Exactly!! Todays attitude
Reg Park and all those guys.
Today it must be cake by comparison.
seems to be "I want everything, I want it
now but I don't want to work for it!!"
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
.... Please please please
don't say that these compounds make it so you don't have to work... Anyone that's won any olympia title from
arnold to zane has used these compounds, and If you've ever watched "pumping iron" or "ronnie coleman: the
ultimate" you will know that these guys bust their asses...
It is true... I do want everything... I want it as fast
as I can go without killing myself. I've researched enough to probably write a couple books on the subject... but
I'm no expert. BUT I have busted my ass for every single thing I've done... There is no pill or shot that you can
take and just sit on your ass and *POOF* you'll look better. Chems can make you gain faster/more than your genetic
limit, but they won't do the work for you.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
It's not that you don't have to
put in any work. (I think that was just a joke.) It's that, nowadays, the results can come a lot more easily
and quickly when you do.
So, in a way it actually is easier these days. That was the point (I
think).
BTW, Pumping Iron - classic.
"I don't wanna look small!" - Lou Ferrigno
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
you gotta think of your body as a
house the protein and cals are the bricks and steroids are the workers that determine how fast and big you can
get.
I dont like this... maybe imagine steroids as better tools used to build this
house... cause ALL the work still comes from you.
Adams
Like a hammer compared to a
nailgun perhaps?
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
Yes, you are dead on,
steroids will do NOTHING and I mean NOTHING if you dont work your ass off. All they let you do is go above and
beyond the amount of intensity that you would usually be able to put on your body. They allow your body to recover
more quick. Im sick of all these people thinking that chemically enhancing ones self is a "lazy" thing, it really
allows yourself to bust your ass harder then normal.
Prohormone Ban in 2005
So what do you guys make of the upcoming prohormones ban in 2005? I don’t take that
stuff myself but I have considered it in the past. Looks like I only have a month before it’s like owning regular
steroids without a prescription.
To top it off I found out that
some androstenedione products are being renamed and used by the drug companies as anti-radiation sickness drugs. I
guess we wouldn’t want the cure to radiation sickness on the shelves at GNC.
Makes me wonder what sports supplements will be next on the list in the name of making new drug products
for the drug industry.
Will this ban affect pheromone products?
Anyone know?
Yeah, I personally think it
sucks. If they keep banning all the new supplements that come out all it's going to do is steer people closer to
steroids. Personally, I say let people take what they want to take, ban the use of them in pro sports and let the
public use them as they want. What ever happened to our "freedom?" I don't think the ban affects pheromones at
all.
During the weekend I was told
by a friend that he had found out that Steroids were actually legal in Norway, it was just not allowed for
professional sports.. I have no idea how steroids work though and if i should ever consider taking something like
that.. Can someone perhaps give a brief review of steroids??
Jason: To play devils advocate
to you, many of the compounds they are banning are actually steroids being sold over the counter as
prohormones/prosteroids.
Viking: PM me for some links with info and any specific questions, I'll do my best to
help you out.
MB
"You are a sick f*ck, but I wouldn't have you any other way.
~Becca
Just sent you a pm, thanks for
taking time to explain this to me
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