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    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    Also, I'm

    above average in looks, but even the best-looking guys, guys with money, great physiques etc...don't get far

    without the right attitude and without confidence.
    I'll beat Holmes to the punch with this reply:

    It

    sure doesn't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    I too have the RJ

    Confidence tapes, and there is some debate about whether "you" or "I" is more effective.

    I too have made an

    affirmations tape and listened to it, but didn't wasn't too impressed with the results so I haven't used it in a

    while.

    Also, I'm looking for the "Holy Grail" of self-confidence, so I'm going to give the DC program a try.



    BTW, the avatar pic is of "Eddie Haskell" from the old "Leave it to Beaver" TV show - LOL!
    The guy was real cocky

    and funny.

    Also, I'm above average in looks, but even the best-looking guys, guys with money, great physiques

    etc...don't get far without the right attitude and without confidence.
    what kind of music do you listen too?

    what kind of shows and movies are you into? that stuff plays a role in your life.
    you're above average in looks,

    do you dress stylishly? just by dressing stylishly and good body langage you will get tons of looks and eye contact

    from women. the AI's should pump up your inner game even though that's kinda externally driven because you relie

    on women to find you attactive. i think guys with weak inner game are guys that aren't in love with themselves.

    some people would say i'm a narcasist, those people are right. i look at myself in the mirror and get a happy

    feeling.

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    I have good body language, dress

    appropriately for the venue/occassion, but there is always going to be a guy or guys that's better looking, better

    sense of style, more money, nicer car, more "social proof" etc...

    Again, looks, money, clothes etc... will

    only get you so far.

    And those types of things tend to attract the wrong type of women (gold-diggers,

    high-maintanence etc...)

    But almost all women are universally attracted to an Alpha male and/or a man with

    genuine confidence - not the "fake it until you make it" type of confidence.
    Just about any woman can spot a

    poser.

    And I want my confidence to come from within and not from validation from others.

    I'm happy

    with who I am, but I want better for myself - much better.

    I want to be able to be with 9's and 10's, and

    not 9's and 10's just in the looks department either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    I have good body

    language, dress appropriately for the venue/occassion, but there is always going to be a guy or guys that's better

    looking, better sense of style, more money, nicer car, more "social proof" etc...
    not really when you're

    a prefect human being like me you squash all these little ants.

    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    Again, looks, money, clothes

    etc... will only get you so far.

    And those types of things tend to attract the wrong type of women

    (gold-diggers, high-maintanence etc...)
    you have to qualify chicks really hard and dump them if they don't

    fit your standards

    Quote Originally Posted by PHP 87
    But almost all women are universally attracted to an Alpha male and/or a man

    with genuine confidence - not the "fake it until you make it" type of confidence.
    Just about any woman can spot a

    poser.

    And I want my confidence to come from within and not from validation from others.

    I'm happy with who

    I am, but I want better for myself - much better.

    I want to be able to be with 9's and 10's, and not 9's and

    10's just in the looks department either.
    inner game is inner game no matter how you develop it. i was just

    giving how i developed my inner game.

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    I qualify women all the

    time:

    "So, what do you have going for you other than your looks?"

    Or asking "Are you single" as

    opposed to "Do you have a boyfriend?"

    Stuff like that.

    I don't even waste my time with

    high-maintanence, gold-digger types, unless it's an easy "hump and dump"

    Still, that's time I could be

    using to attract true quality women who are 9's and 10's on the inside and out.

    Yeah, the guys with money,

    nice clothes etc... ususally don't have "game" but the hard part is "getting your foot in the door" to blow those

    guys out as most women will initially be attracted to the external aspects of these guys.

    But it's funny

    when it does happen - last month I was at a club and some guy that fits the description above was gaming a solid HB9

    - buying her drinks etc...

    I noticed that whenever she would take a sip of her drink, she would sneak a peek

    my way, so I eventually went over and opened the set.

    It was a mixed 3 set - 2 girls and the one

    guy.

    I totally ignored the HB9 and talked up the other two.

    Within 20 minutes, HB9 bought me a drink

    and an hour later I kissed closed her and number closed as well.

    Tried to follow up, but she lives about 90

    miles from me and our work schedules are totally opposite, and I sense she is somewhat materialistic, shallow,

    high-maintanence etc...and I simply don't have the time for her.

    Heck, with my current work schedule, and my

    trying to get a side business going, I don't have time for much right now.

    I disagree on internal game being

    internal no matter what.

    IMO, true, genuine confidence comes from within, and not validation from hot women,

    although that definately gets the ball rolling.
    And, we're not going to be young and good-looking all our lives.

    ;>)

    I just turned 45, but I easily look a good 10-15 years younger and routinely date women in their

    mid-20's although not as much as I'd like to.

    My last g/f was 23, but I prefer them around 27-28 years

    old.

    I actually have a shitty cell phone pic I might post, but the quality is pretty bad.

    This girl

    actually sat on my lap at a lounge bar on New Years Eve.

    I wrote a post about it here on another

    thread.

    I gamed her for about 5 minutes while me and my buddy were seated and she and her friend were

    standing and she took a seat on my lap.

    My buddy was shocked - the look on his face said it all as we just

    got there 10 minutes earlier, and I already got a girl.

    The ironic part about it was the same thing happened

    last NYE at the same bar at the same table and all within about 10 minutes total to pick her up.

    Zero to

    french kissing in less than 10 minutes both times.
    Think my confidence is high at this venue?
    You know it

    is.
    Not to mention, the first time I went to this place about 20 years ago, me and a different friend pulled 2

    girls out and F-closed them both the same night.
    Went to a Motel and the whole 9 yards.

    OK, I'm done

    tooting my own horn.

    Basically, my goal is to have total confidence at all times, to have a strong frame in

    all situations, and not just with women.

    Right now, If I'm in a bar type lounge (I don't waste time in the

    "fancy dancy" type clubs as I feel they aren't the best environment to PU) that I'm familiar with, my frame and

    game is strong, like I just described, but that's in an environment where I feel comfortable and confident based on

    past, positive experiences in the same venue.

    Again, my goal is to be "on" at all time in all situations and

    not just with women.
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    BTW, T-Rock, can you share some

    wisdom about the "Attraction isn't a choice" ebook?

    I just ordered it (no PayPal, so I had to pay by Money

    Order so I wont be getting it for several days) but was wondering if you can share some of the positives along with

    the negatives.

    I have some of DeAngelo's stuff, and the C&F totally fits my persona, although I do have

    trouble actually using it in the field with girls I've just met.

    This is one of the reasons why I want to do

    the Demonic Confidence program as well, to see if it can help me bridge my natural C&F to where I can use it in the

    field with women I've just met who I do not yet feel comfortable enough to let that part of my persona come out to

    play.

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    Here's how I see DD's products. The

    guy must have spent thousands of $$ in learning the skills from the likes of RJ, Major Mark, and other NLP guys. Of

    course, he's got some interesting insights scattered over his eBooks and DVD courses. But I'm afraid he doesn't

    deal with core issues like getting rid of self-sabotaging mechanism and negative programming which obsturct your

    path to mastery in any profound depth.
    Thus, though his books and courses sound spot-on when fiest reading or

    listening to them, but they seem too superficial to effect any permanent bullet-proof transformation to become a

    'natural'. No flames intended. Just my two cents.

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    my inner game was never rock

    bottom except for when i was LBJF by this girl around this time last year. besides that period i always had a decent

    inner game throughout life. so dyd products was able to helped me out. but it all comes down transforming yourself

    in the field not behind a computer screen or in a book. i purposely go out in public and get emotionally

    uncomfortable by being some place i don't want to be and say retarded stuff so people will notice me.


    for

    20 bucks AAIAC isn't a bad investment. i've only read it once but it's a repeat of everything in his newsletter

    that's he's developed since the origninal dyd ebook. the good thing is all the information is lumped up in one

    spot so you don't have to spend a year reading his newsletters to pick up some golden nuggets of inormation. the

    reason you don't feel comfortable is you're not relaxed (am i stating the obvious?). learn relaxing techniques. or

    for me the day after i do an all nighter or only had a few hours of sleep, i have they zen like psychosis. i feel

    like keanu reeves in the matrix and all my social interactions always go right, ultimate frame control.

    david

    d's best information is actually in his interview series. if you want to be up the mind sets of somebody who is

    really good with women, the interview series is where it's at. if you're not able to interact with naturals, the

    interview series is the next closest thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRock
    david d's best

    information is actually in his interview series.
    I totally agree there.

    The interviews with

    Ben, Brent, and Stephen are particularly good.
    If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen

    Holmes' Theme Song

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    Here's how I see DD's

    products. The guy must have spent thousands of $$ in learning the skills from the likes of RJ, Major Mark, and other

    NLP guys. Of course, he's got some interesting insights scattered over his eBooks and DVD courses. But I'm afraid

    he doesn't deal with core issues like getting rid of self-sabotaging mechanism and negative programming which

    obsturct your path to mastery in any profound depth.
    Thus, though his books and courses sound spot-on when fiest

    reading or listening to them, but they seem too superficial to effect any permanent bullet-proof transformation to

    become a 'natural'. No flames intended. Just my two cents.
    good post from masf:



    Quote Originally Posted by Magnus
    I have been thinking about how best to help people

    in the community, and
    what they really need, and three categories of guy have stood out, each with
    specific

    different levels of skill, attitude, and thus with different things
    they need to do.

    Let me know if you agree

    with this broad categorisations... Which do you fit
    in? Do you think you fit into more than one category?

    1 -

    Social Retards. Guys with massive social phobias, fear of physical
    intimacy, personality disorders, virgins at

    ages well past the social norm.
    These guys need counselling to deal with other issues in their life before
    they

    should even think about picking up girls.

    2 - Normal Guys. Guys who have had one or two girlfriends, maybe lost

    their
    virginity slightly late but have active social lives and just don't
    understand women. These guys should

    absorb all the Double Your Dating
    material they can get their hands on, and then maybe take a workshop.

    3 -

    Pick-Up Artists. These guys can get girlfriends, are getting laid with
    a new girl every couple of months. They

    love women and are finding new and
    ingenious ways to communicate their value to women. Info on threesomes,


    MLTRs, other advanced topics are valuable to them for improving their art.

    I think the main

    problem with mASF is that Social Retards are trying
    techniques that will only work for Normal Guys. eg trying to

    cold approach
    when you have severe emotional issues. It's a waste of time when you
    haven't dealt with your

    internal issues.

    Also it bugs me that the Pick-Up Artists are probably being turned off from
    mASF by too many

    posts from Social Retards and the more clueless Normal
    Guys. e.g. if the Advanced Forum was restricted to certain

    members that
    might improve things. PUAs are constantly innovating and improving the
    technologies,

    and when they post about it here it's often shot down or
    disrupted.

    Magnus

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    I'm

    sure he means that in a nice way.
    If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen

    Holmes' Theme Song

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    The guy has a

    very limited and self centered view of the world.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    Thomas Jefferson

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    Hi@ll!
    I need

    help from the creator of Domenic Confidence because i failed at the first day of the program!
    Who know his email

    address? Who can give it to me?
    Please, its serious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishazerg
    Hi@ll!
    I need help from the creator of Domenic Confidence because i failed at

    the first day of the program!
    Who know his email address? Who can give it to me?
    Please, its

    serious!
    Could you be more specific at how you failed?

    The first day of the program consists

    mostly of asking women the time of day.

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    Could you be more

    specific at how you failed?
    Hi, at the first day i went to the city and began to ask people for the time,

    but I couldn't ask good looking women in my age ( I´m 19 years old and I´m looking good).., I asked perhaps 20

    people in 50 minutes. All the time i was thinking that it is crazy to ask people for time because, everyone has

    a mobile phone, also i was thinking about what the people behind me would think if I just ask every minute a girl

    for time. I was a afraid that someone who knows me would see how I´m running across the city, like crazy and asking

    girls / people for the time. At the second day all this fears were stronger than me, because I were wearing a watch

    and I just asked 5 people in 2 hours, i was fighting with my self and i loosed....
    I think that my situation is a

    little bit hopeless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishazerg
    Hi, at the first

    day i went to the city and began to ask people for the time, but I couldn't ask good looking women in my age ( I´m

    19 years old and I´m looking good).., I asked perhaps 20 people in 50 minutes. All the time i was thinking that

    it is crazy to ask people for time because, everyone has a mobile phone, also i was thinking about what the people

    behind me would think if I just ask every minute a girl for time. I was a afraid that someone who knows me would

    see how I´m running across the city, like crazy and asking girls / people for the time. At the second day all this

    fears were stronger than me, because I were wearing a watch and I just asked 5 people in 2 hours, i was fighting

    with my self and i loosed....
    I think that my situation is a little bit hopeless...
    1) Stop

    with the Negative self-talk, as that is your biggest enemy.

    2) Stop caring about what other people think. Do

    they have any control/effect on your life? Only if YOU let them. You'll never see them again anyways, so the hell

    with what they say or think or do.
    Someday, we will all be wormfood - do you think it matters what complete

    strangers think of you for asking someone the time?
    Hell, they probably don't even notice, let alone

    care.

    3) If you can't ask good-looking women, start out with not-so-good-looking women and work your way

    up.

    4) The fact that it is hard for you means that you will get fantastic results from the program, as you

    are expanding your comfort zone.
    Just think how great you will feel after you've completed the

    exercise(s)

    5) Pretend that it's a game, or that it's part of your job to ask hot women the time of day, or

    even that you are acting in a play or a movie - Have fun with it. Again, make it a game - Try to guess in advance

    what brand or color watch she is wearing, or what brand of cell phone she has, or whatever you want.

    6) Set

    up a reward/punishment system, where if you fail, it will cost you money. Maybe make a bet with a friend, or donate

    some money to charity if you fail. Or maybe not allow yourself to go home until you've successfully completed that

    day's exercise.
    The night before, write down the next days exercise on a small card and read it and keep it in

    your pocket so you can have it with you all the time to read and remind yourself of your goal.
    If you are feeling

    hesitant, reach into your pocket and feel the card, remind yourself of what you are doing and why, and how much

    better your life will soon be.

    Also, reward yourself when you do successfully complete that days exercise,

    although the feeling of confidence and accomplishment will be a great reward,

    7) Remind yourself of the

    benifits of completing the exercises will be, and how you will no longer be apprehensive and non-confident in social

    situations, especially with women.

    8) Don't hesitate when doing the exercises, because you will only talk

    yourself out of doing them. Use the "3 second rule" which if you're not familiar with, means to not hesitate and to

    just go and do it. If you don't, you will only talk yourself out of it.

    Here is Archer's email, although he

    will probably give you similiar advice: archersloan@yahoo.com

    Good Luck, and let me know how

    you're progressing.

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    Hi PHP 87! Thx for your mail,

    but it don´t help me, because all you said i already tried. Anyway thx.
    I know the theories very well. But there

    is something in me that always says no to my rational side... I will describe now how I acted, perhaps I made a

    mistake... And perhaps you or somebody else have an idea how to act!

    1) I said to me that I´m great etc. ,that

    I´better looking than the girls I ask :-) but it didn´t work
    2) I know that nobody cares about what I´m doing, Why

    should they? I realized that, but it didn´t work..
    3) At the first day it help a little, but not much
    4) I was

    thinking that the whole program will change my life, that I´m doing it for me and for nobody else but i´t didn't

    work...
    5) didn´t helped
    6) I said to me that if i do this program its like winning a millions of $$$ in lotto,

    because this exercise is for me, it helped a little but not really much
    7) I did, and it didn´t helped
    8) I know

    what you are talking about but this wasn´t the problem, the problem was the exercise...
    9) I also tried the

    opposite of all this, I tried to: "not to think",but this variant didn´t worked too...

    So i stopped the program

    after the second Day....
    I´m now thinking about to restart in three days, but I´m not sure how I could make

    anything better...
    Like you see, I tried already all tricks, but it didn´t worked.
    I don´t know how I could make

    it better for the second time...
    If you have some ideas or somebody else please write !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Sounds like you are making a bunch

    of excuses not to succeed.

    Grow a pair and start doing the exercises.

    No excuses, no talking yourself

    out of it.

    No one is going to do them for you.

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    im ordering superconfidence off

    him soon, its a 10 day course instead of 21, maybe you could start out with that one. Ive got demonic confidence

    but never finished the whole thing due to other commitments.

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    I'm nearly finished with

    "Without Embarassment" by Michael Pilinski and I'd recommend it to anyone just starting out.

    As for Archer

    Sloan, his pheromone CD isn't that bad...I have Demonic Confidence but haven't had the time available for it. Plus

    so many guys have bombed out on it, I'm kinda nervous about trying it.

    There's a CD set called "The Sedona

    Method" which I haven't listened to yet, but hear it's in demand.

    Another author I've been recommended to

    read is Dr. Paul. He has several books- "Mind OS" is by far the most popular.
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by slick
    im ordering

    superconfidence off him soon, its a 10 day course instead of 21, maybe you could start out with that one. Ive got

    demonic confidence but never finished the whole thing due to other commitments.

    I'm going to get

    Superconfidence as well. I also had Demonic Confidence & never finished it. It's really hard to find the time

    over 21 consecutive days.

    What I heard with Superconfidence is that the days don't have to be consecutive

    either. So that will also help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netghost56
    I'm

    nearly finished with "Without Embarassment" by Michael Pilinski and I'd recommend it to anyone just starting out.



    As for Archer Sloan, his pheromone CD isn't that bad...I have Demonic Confidence but haven't had the time

    available for it. Plus so many guys have bombed out on it, I'm kinda nervous about trying it.

    There's a CD set

    called "The Sedona Method" which I haven't listened to yet, but hear it's in demand.

    Another author I've

    been recommended to read is Dr. Paul. He has several books- "Mind OS" is by far the most popular.
    Hey do

    you have a link to "Without Embarrasment"?

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    Nevermind,Amazon for the

    win!

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    Hello everyone, sorry to reopen

    this old thread, has anyone here ordered Archer new product, "Super Confidence"? I have but have been waiting for

    at least 5 weeks and have got nothing so far, was wondering what other people's experiences are with him. Any

    feedback would be greatly appreciated,

    Bandit

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    I've got it but haven't

    listened to it. It's supposed to be a condensed, tamer version of DC.
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."

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    Yeah, i've heard really good

    things about it, but he hasnt sent it after 5 weeks! :s, Did you receive yours alright Netghost?

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    i had it within a week, archers

    delivery times has got a lot quicker, i would give him a email

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    One of them- either DC or SC-

    has a bad track. I've emailed some guys and they told me what that track is supposed to be (the directions) but

    other than that I guess they're fine. I haven't listened to either of them, personally.
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netghost56
    One of them-

    either DC or SC- has a bad track. I've emailed some guys and they told me what that track is supposed to be (the

    directions) but other than that I guess they're fine. I haven't listened to either of them, personally.


    What do you mean by bad track?

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    it plays fine halfway, then

    the sound drops off.
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."

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