Reply With QuoteOh Goodness! I read the whole
thing! this was a surprise since all we hear is about how good Soy is for you. hmmm
Thanks for the link...
Oh Goodness! I read the whole
thing! this was a surprise since all we hear is about how good Soy is for you. hmmm
Thanks for the link...
Agreed. BadOriginally Posted by druid
stuff.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Guys shouldn't be eating
soy anyways since it promotes estrogen..
Last edited by Sesshoumaru; 07-22-2004 at 10:20 AM.
Booyaka-sha!
So you isn't opposed
to it?
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Should was a typo...
Aiiight. Big up!
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Tofu is big in Hawaii due to the
large Asia population. A recent study of older Asian men that ate large amounts of tufu daily demonstarted a marked
trend towards decreased memory and cognitive abilities compared to the control group. So soy may make you stupid and
forgetful...
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
I have always stayed away from SOY
since I learned it is a estrogen-like substance (i read it some where in a bodybuilding magazine).
I don't
think women or men should be taking it. Men should not eat it because it promotes estrogen and women should not eat
it for the same reason. Estrogen is a major factor in breast cancer -- and estrogen could trigger a growing girls
puberty too soon and/or prolong it.
Oh and BTW I am a big atkins fan. For those who are doing that diet
watch out for all those supplements (just about ALL the bars -- not just atkins brand -- and other protein
supplements contain soy). And the first ingredenent in mayo is Soybean oil, so stay away from that too.
I thought miso soup (a cup a day)
diminished breast cancer?????
I'm not giving up soy ice
cream.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Or soy sauce (Soyu)!
For all you guys spending
time trying to find the miracle penis lengthener this stuff is the magical penis shrinker!
Thanks, that was a highly
informative article-- I'd heard certain things before, what impressed me was learning how little soy Asians
actually consume. The "hidden" soy part seems misleading to me, that's probably mostly soybean oil-- I'm thinking
of the tuna example here. I guess that point just assumes that most people don't labels, which is true. The only
soy products I consciously consume are plain organic soymilk, the kind that is just soybeans and water, and Bragg's
Liquid Aminos, and I don't use them everyday, so if I read my labels and nothing is really hidden, I guess I'm
safe as long as I stay home
It's interesting to think that a lot of people probably turned to soy to
avoid the growth hormones used on cattle which were supposedly responsible for grossly retarding male and
accelerating female physical development-- you can run, but you can't hide...
One thing I don't like about
these articles is, they're so alarmist about the evil of a product, when the problem is more its immoderate and
un-/mis-/disinformed use.
"I was not a sexy young person. I was peculiar."-- Rufus Wainwright
I'm a vegetarian, but I'll stick
to beans and rice.
I first heard about this stuff in Vandana Shiva's "Stolen Harvest: the Hijaking of the Global
Food Supply". It seems the Soy Growers Council has done a lot of PR to promote a product that is basically animal
feed.
Read this book if you want to see the dark side of your
food:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...54434?v=glance
Some light reading on soy
he
quote bellow is
from
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459516
"Dr. Daniel: Soybeans are beans that grow in fuzzy green pods. They come in many colors but most are a yellowish
tan color and marked with a single, distinctive black eye— nature’s way perhaps of giving us a warning!
Traditionally, Asian soybean plants were not grown to be eaten but to be used as "green manure" — as a
cover crop designed to be plowed under to enrich the soil between plantings of the crops used for food. It was a
fertilizer. It wasn’t until the Chiang Dynasty that the Chinese came up with the fermentation methods needed to tame
the soybean’s undesirable elements and make it into a food.
The soybean paste known as miso came first, followed
by soy sauce, which was discovered as part of the miso-making process. Other soy foods such as tofu, tempeh, and
natto came much later, around 1000 AD.
In the West, the soybean has mostly been used for its soy oil, which is
what you get in most products labeled vegetable oil, margarine, or shortening. Soy here is a product of the
industrial revolution — an opportunity for technologists to develop cheap meat substitutes, to find clever ways to
hide soy in familiar food products, to formulate soy-based pharmaceuticals and to develop a plant-based renewable
resource that could replace petroleum-based plastics and fuels. This last could be good for the planet.
T-Nation:
So how did soy become known as such a "health" food?
Dr. Daniel: For years, the soy protein left over from soy
oil extraction went exclusively to animals, poultry, and more recently fish farms. The problem is that only so much
soy can be used in the feeds before the animals start developing serious reproductive and other health problems. So
the soy industry still had a lot left over and decided to start marketing it as a "people feed."
"
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?artic
le=body_87prote
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=461709
Mr.
Evil
nHow long have you been a vegetarian? I have thought of becoming vegetarian since I don't care much for red
meat.But I don't mind a good stake from time to time.. But I guess the thought of not having certain things makes
things a little harder.. Plus I also know to make such drastic change to you life you need to be very careful.
Five years. It was right after my
divorce and I wasn't very hungry anyway. It was for ethical reasons, to help me feel good about myself. (I took up
aikido at the same time.) There's lots of tasty vegetarian food. Especially in the Italian and Indian cuisines. If
you're not a body builder you don't need that much protein. Most Americans eat way too much and it just turns to
fat. It's a relatively easy way to do something nice for the planet. The only thing I miss is sushi bars.
Eat way too much what?
protein — among other things
I can't believe how many
doctors we have here. I happen to like soy. I make soy shakes when I get home from the gym. They taste great. If
anyone wants the recipe just send me a message. I am in very good shape so I know that this soy is bad for you stuff
is garbage.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Just because your in good shape doesnt default the credibility of this
research.
Estrogen is the enemy in male fitness community... The less you have, the harder you look. So try
taking away the soy, and make a great Whey/Casien Blend with some extra Dextros, and I bet you feel alot better, and
look alot harder after a short time.
Adams
Wow, Interesting
stuff. I was on a soy kick about a year or so ago, after following a link at a popular weight loss site. I was
drinking daily shakes and eating soy bars and chips. I quit after a couple of months because of the expense, which
was all going on my credit card.
Flashing back a couple of decades, I worked as a "patty boy" (I ran a
hamburger patty machine) in a local slaughter house in the early 1980s. All our hamburgers were 100% meat with one
exception (well maybe two exceptions, the grinder would get in fights with the butchers for grabbing bottom rounds
to grind when he was tired of being given just suet to make hamburger from). When I was to make pattys for the local
schools, the grinder would mix soy meal in the meat. IIRC, it was a blue colored product, so it must have been
artifically dyed on top of everything else.
Flash back a few years before that and I can remember eating
these soy infused burgers at school. Pretty flavorless.
I was thinking of getting back into soy but after
scanning the articles linked here, I think I'll pass instead.
I was disappointed to read that.
Cheerios has coupons on the back for free quarts of Soy milk. Hate to waste coupons.
I was actually considering a
soy based protein supplement to help build muscle too.So much for that thought.
Check out
www.allthewhey.com
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Good link Bel.
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you can not do."
They are good people to buy from. Good product and honest dealings.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
I've used whey protein before
but it didn't mix too well, but just yesterday I purchased a pre-mixed whey (small one, just to try it) called
Isopure. The stuff looks like Kool aid and has no carbs, no sugar, or even traditional sugar substitutes (at least
the version I took at GNC). Great stuff
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