New Guy Introduction and ? of course :)

[Romme22]

Hello, 40ish year old guy, decent shape, married, 2 kids, 2 dogs, 3 birds and a lizard. Found this site last week

and was really intrigued reading all the posts.

I bought a bottle of apc 2+ years ago and noticed that the first

couple of times I wore it that I got a lot more affection from my wife and a lot more attention from her friends. I

think with the earlier bottles of apc you could od on and believe that after my good experiences and with my lack of

experience with applying it correctly that I did od the next time wearing it and everyone avoided me for the

evening. Never knew there was such a thing as od'ing untll last week. So I figured that it was expired or

something. I never really knew what to expect or look for when wearing apc and went through that first bottle in a

few months but mostly used it for the scent.

About a year ago I ordered another bottle of apc off of ebay and

never noticed any effect from anyone with it. Then again it did sit in my truck through the heat of the summer and

the freezing of the winter. Glad I found the forums here and the explanation that apc has really changed it's mone

content so much that it makes a good cover. It does have a nice smell.

I recently ordered Alter Ego and The

Edge and looking forward to some trial runs.

I do have a few of goals that I think are for the most part

realistic.

1st is to maybe instill a little extra passion in the Mrs, after 15 yrs things could use a little

boost at times.

2nd, We have a pretty active social life, soccer for the kids, neighborhood get togethers and

just general going out here and there, a few additional social hits would be nice. I'm not trying to get any action

from anyone but the wife but it'd be nice to at least be on the radar or get a dihl once in a while.

3rd, this

one may sound cheesy and not exactly sure what type of response I have for this one or if it's even a possibility

but my wife has this niece who is about 33 definately a 10/10, who has been teasing me for about 10 years now. We

get together quite often for a few drinks and she never hesitates to sit on my lap, flash me her boobs, moon me or

whatever. So I think my goal with this one is to maybe add a little uncertainty to her game, turn the tables.

So

I'm thinking for my trial run a couple of drops of AE/m, one behind each ear, and a couple dabs of TE/m spread on

the chest all covered with polo sport or believe it or not Avon black suede.

Does this sound like a good trial

run?

How do you married or attached folks hide this stuff from your SO?
If I told my wife about it she'd

think that I was totally stupid and would totally avoid sex even if she were burning with desire just because.



Anyone else have any similiar goals and results that they'd care to share?

Thanks,

Rom

[Bruce]

Hello Rom,

Welcome to the

forum.

I am also married with 2 kids but only 1 dog and no lizards. Well, no pet lizards anyway. Could be

some lizards in the house somewhere. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. No romantic goals in my life outside of my wife;

getting old I guess. My wife knows about the pheromones of course, doesn't seem to hurt the results any. The

items you mentioned sound like a great place to start. My favorite romantic evening at home with the Mrs brew was

SOE and Edge. Very close to your AE/Edge mixture, I'd say. You should be in good shape.

By the way, APC

changed its formula several years ago from somewhat on the anemic side to containing almost no pheromones at all.

Most guys just use it to cover true concentrates like NPA and Edge. If you have any of it left try using it like

that.

Cheers and welcome,
Bruce

[jose]

I think you made a wise decision

getting AE which is one of my favorite products. I got laid using AE and it was on a first date, a old story I have

told before on the forums. Nothing wrong with turning the tables with your wife's niece as long as you don't

cross the line that is, or are you thinking about it? Other than that give it a good 4 weeks of testing and keep

track of your application and what works and doesn't work for you .

[SweetBrenda]

Rom[/QUOTE]


First of Welcome to the Forum Rom! and although I am not married but my advice to you is

to maybe put it in a place you know she won't be getting into. If you think this might bring you issues with your

SO is best to hide it well. Perhaps in your tool box? ...(just a thought ..)

[tounge]

Sorry Brenda, ain't no way you're

able to hide things from chick. They get into everything. I've mde the mistake of giving my apartment keys to

various women over the years.

They have gotten into my classic porn stash, my Cubans, blackbook, old love

poems and pictures, my fragrance collection. You name it. Hell, one chick even copped my Teddy Bear. He looked like

the Snuggles fabric softner bear. Broke my heart to let her have it, but she was a hottie. I was able to secure

another one from Lever Brothers though. No more keys for women to my pad.

[SweetBrenda]

Sorry Brenda,

ain't no way you're able to hide things from chick. They get into everything. I've mde the mistake of giving my

apartment keys to various women over the years.

They have gotten into my classic porn stash, my Cubans,

blackbook, old love poems and pictures, my fragrance collection. You name it. Hell, one chick even copped my Teddy

Bear. He looked like the Snuggles fabric softner bear. Broke my heart to let her have it, but she was a hottie. I

was able to secure another one from Lever Brothers though. No more keys for women to my pad.

LOL@u.. wow! wait a second here now,,you just

got me thinking,,I better start doing some searching aroound my home!

[belgareth]

How do you

married or attached folks hide this stuff from your SO?
If I told my wife about it she'd think that I was totally

stupid and would totally avoid sex even if she were burning with desire just because.

Anyone else have any

similiar goals and results that they'd care to share?

Thanks,

Rom

Rom,

Welcome to the

forum.
My SO knows about mones and appreciates the thought despite some healthy scepticism. She claims mones had

nothing to do with her attraction to me. So I have no need to conceal them.

Many long term couples develop a

spot or spots that is exclusively theirs that the other wouldn't dream of going into. They recognize that everybody

has a need for some privacy. There is a trust factor required, of course. We each have a place where the other would

never open under any conditions. Mine is a desk drawer where I keep some private papers and a few momentos. Do you

have somewhere like that? It's probably informal but if you think about it, I'll bet you do.

Good luck with

your experiments.

[Romme22]

Bruce: When I think back it was

probably closer to about 3 years ago that I got my first bottle of apc. Still smells nice though and would usually

get comments about that at least.

Jose: Although she's been my fantasy girl in more than one way the last 10

years, I could never cross the line, wouldn't be fair to my wife and her niece has a BIG mouth, loves a scandal and

this one she could be the center of attention.

SweetBrenda: I have to agree with Tounge, there is nothing sacred

around my house all articles, items, storage places are fair game. Not that she goes snooping around but there's

always a reason to look someplace for something. I think the safest place is probably with all the unused sex toys

that I've bought over the years, she never goes into that box

Actually my stuff was at my desk here when I

got to work this morning, thinking about maybe doing a small trial run, maybe a couple of dabs of AE/m. There's a

couple of hotties here in our small office(10 people) that like to tell me all about there sex lives while rubbing

thier boobs into my back. Then maybe a few more dabs of TE/m before I get home for the little missy.


Rom

[Romme22]

Belgareth, Unfortunately no. If

my wife isn't digging through every nook and cranny looking for something then the kids sure are.

Rom

[koolking1]

you could just take the

label(s) off and put into your bathroom/bedroom and when you wife asks - just tell her it's some cologne you got,

put it out in the open and don't try to hide it. At night, put some on your chest area and she might pick up the

scent and get randy. Myself, I don't care to be teased unless there is some realistic expectation of something

happening. I would tell your wife's niece something like "hey, if you want to sit on my lap and stuff, you better

mean it; if you don't mean it, then back off". Only one of two things can happen, right? Since you are in your

forties and have been married a good long while, why don't you tell your wife that you do want to get laid once in

a while and if she's not into it anymore, get her permission to screw around a little bit discretely. She just

might ok it, I've seen it happen. It's only fair I think.

[Romme22]

koolking1, it's not that bad.

My wife and I have our time together, just not as often as I like. I'm hornier than a three peckered billy goat on

most days. Once or twice a week is enough for her but sometimes not enough for me. Like I tell her, a little variety

is nice from time to time and that I like steak tips but don't want to eat them everynight. As far as the niece, I

like the game just as much as she does.

Rom

[Pancho1188]

you could

just take the label(s) off and put into your bathroom/bedroom and when you wife asks - just tell her it's some

cologne you got, put it out in the open and don't try to hide it. At night, put some on your chest area and she

might pick up the scent and get randy. Myself, I don't care to be teased unless there is some realistic expectation

of something happening. I would tell your wife's niece something like "hey, if you want to sit on my lap and stuff,

you better mean it; if you don't mean it, then back off". Only one of two things can happen, right? Since you are

in your forties and have been married a good long while, why don't you tell your wife that you do want to get laid

once in a while and if she's not into it anymore, get her permission to screw around a little bit discretely. She

just might ok it, I've seen it happen. It's only fair I think.

I love just thinking about this

conversation:

"Honey, if you don't %$#@ me, then I'm just going to go ahead and *%$# your niece. Is that okay

with you?"

[DCW]

Hi and welcome.
I would watch the

niece thing, you may end up on Jerry Springer before you know it.


DCW

[DrSmellThis]

Hi and welcome.
I

would watch the niece thing, you may end up on Jerry Springer before you know it.


DCW

..........

[a.k.a.]

Welcome aboard, Romme. I’m 45,

divorced, no kids, 1 cat. And, like you, my pheromone adventures began with APC — which I still get hits from

incidentally.

NPA and AE sounds like a good combo. I’ve gotten amazing hits with AE + TE (which is the same

formula as NPA only more diluted). Just be sure to start out with small dosages, because these products are a LOT

more concentrated than even the original APC. I'd start with one dab NPA on chest with cologne cover and one dab AE

between wrists.

I’m sorry you feel the need to hide this stuff from your wife. Sounds like a big hassle.


Forgive me for reading between the lines but... fear of being cut off by your wife + desire to “turn the tables”

on her niece = a guy that doesn’t feel sexy anymore. Pheromones can fix that but I hope you realize that your wife

is probably going through something similar. Depending on how important your relationship is, you might want to pump

up the romance ( and make her feel beautiful) along with the pheromones.

If, on the other hand, you’re

flirting with infidelity, I’d keep it as far away from family acquaintances as possible.

Best of luck and

keep us posted.

[Romme22]

a.k.a you're probably right

about the not feeling sexy anymore. I actually feel good, don't know if anyone else feels the same about me.

Looking for a little bit of 'me' time I guess. Don't get me wrong, wife and I have a great relationship but I'm

a horney aging bastard and she's a soccer mom doing much more around the house in a month than I'll do in a

lifetime. I do spend a lot of attention to my wife but I actually think it's a pshycological game people play to be

the one being chased instead of the chaser. Wife is definately in chasee mode and I'm the chaser. She never feels

rejection when it comes to sex, I always do. I'd never say no, 24x7 but she has a set routine and schedule and

certain times/places are definately off limits for her. Just looking to be the chasee for a bit.

Rom

[DrSmellThis]

OK, now we're getting somewhere, thanks to A.K.A! You also seem to be having

a great insight here yourself. Things are starting to make more sense. So now, here's a 7 stage possibility for

turning the tables, Romme:



***
[color=

navy]1. Decide to give up sex for 2 weeks, and masturbate only 1-2x per week, thus

gaining a sense of control, confidence, virility and mastery for the present purposes. Let go of needing sex for the

time being. Pretend you're single, without the cheating part. Stop flirting with the niece for now, just as a

disclipline exercise, and to increase your "sense of pride". This will also minimize any sense of insecurity,

self-doubt or whatever you might have, etc. Incidently, I like A.K.A.'s advice about making her feel sexy, but

minus the wanting sex part.[/color]

2. Pick

one important relationship thing you feel you can do for your wife, and do it, such as an

important home chore she is currrently doing. It must be something she'll notice and appreciate. Just do it,

without saying anything or making a big deal. This is to minimize the resentment factor. She can't have a

relationship based "excuse" for her "behavior". This is a crucial step. Do it "noticeably better than she does it"

if it's something she does. This will also increase her sense of need and value where you're concerned, and give

you a little extra return. Demand nothing in return, especially affection. If you want to pick two or whatever, pick

two. It just has to change the "energy dynamic" in a noticeable way.



3. Inform your wife gently, with a smile, and in an offhand,

matter of fact way that you think you "might take a bit more control over" your own sexual behavior,

as you "have decided it's not good for (you) to be frustrated chasing" her so much. Leave it at that, basically.

Self control sets the stage for relationship control. That day, bump up your -rone and -none and decrease the -nol,

but avoid OD. This will help her think you mean it without you having to say anything.



4. The first time she asks for sex or initiates it, do massage

or otherwise very subtly tease her, then stop, saying you really liked and appreciated it the way it was.

Don't tease obviously, even though she'll know. Maybe say you "just want to cuddle." But you can't be on the

prowl with others at the same time during this step, as then you won't give her the right message. You will be

controlling yourself with great mastery at this point, and she will easily pick up on this.



5. Next time tease her a little more obviously, and still

terminate the intimacy session. Just say no if she presses it, and don't encouraging begging. Say you

"wanted to experience it like that to help your own intimate feelings", or something equally vague.



6. Next time she initiates, tease

her mercilessly, and when she expresses a urgency or desperation, tell her things; like she needs to show a

little more respect when she asks, a little more appreciation for you, show you she wants and loves your cock, etc.

If she starts getting intoxicated by this, you can make greater demands, such as for her to show you she "knows how

to be a whore", etc. Here just let your imagination determine what you do. Take control in a gentle but firm way at

first, then "increase to taste". Then make sure you blow her mind sexually and orgasmically. Fuck her hard, fast and

long, for example. This will cement the pleasure association, reinforcing her

submission.

7. Repeat step #6.

Eventually, switch to being the one who initiates; but only when you "are good and ready", or some

such thing. Start telling her she needs to learn to control herself if she wants it, earn it by acting sexy,

admitting she's a spoiled little princess, etc, etc. Assuming you get this far, you should find yourself being able

to have sex "at your whim"; as long as you continue controlling the tempo or rhythm, knowing that you can discipline

yourself, and control her sexual behavior, anytime you want.



***
Im not saying you need to follow this exactly, of course. For instance, you can subtract out dom/sub or S&M

elements; or add them. You are the man. But I hope there's a helpful idea in there, at least. If you follow each

step in order, without sneaking ahead, you might make a permanent change, by "just doing it". Otherwise maybe look

into couples counseling. Since you didn't ask me for any advice, and might not even want it; there's no charge for

this "do it yourselfer"!

[tounge]

I have to agree

with Tounge

Stick with me Romme and we'll get you to the prmised land.

Truth be known,

I have a soft spot in my big heart for guys trying to improve their marriage.

Two things: Smell This, gave

some golden advice. Please give it a try and let us know how it works.

2nd, I really think the right mix of

Phermone and cover fragrance could help your wife be a bit more amourous. You have to experiment with the mones,but

the cover scent,in my opinion is vital. Maybe you could take the little lady out fragrance shopping and find a

couple that she likes in the men's fragrance. As a reward for her good behavior get her a sexy women's fragrance.

Some of these chick scents have made me go animal . Recently on a couple of girlfriends, I have been digging Escada

Magnatism and CSP Vanilla Abricot. These in my opinion make a women absolutely edible. Also Chanel Allure for women

and Dolce and Gabbana Light Blue. Women have used these scents to get me out of my boxer briefs. Allure for Men is a

hot fragrance also. It mixs well with The Edge. It helps women feel very comfortable nekkid around me.

Best

wishes for getting the fire back in your marriage

[Romme22]

Thanks DrSmellThis, quite a

plan.. I've often contemplated a plan like this but never had enough detail until now. Not sure if I have the self

control to pull it off though. I'll post results when/if available.

Rom

[Romme22]

tounge, funny you mention this.

What I have for covers have been purchased by my wife, usually as christmas gifts. I even have a few that my mom

gave me years back like Avon Black Suede and some british sterling. In fact I think the last cologne gift that I

received was about 5 years ago which was a spray bottle of Bora Bora.

Gotta hit the mall someday soon. Any good

recommendations?

Rom

[DrSmellThis]

Yeah, Rom, I wouldn't always

have the energy to pull that off either. But it might be worth it in this case, as you are both committed. Seems

like the quickest way to your goal. In any case, I hope the best for you and the excitement level of your

relationship

[Mtnjim]

British Sterling??

Do they

even still make that stuff?
I remember it from the 70's, had this cute gal with the greatest cleavage in the

ads!

[Ash]

It's been awhile since I've watched

the tube but I recall every ad having some cute gal with great cleavage. No?

Doc, your post really made me

randy!

[InternationalPlayboy]

British Sterling??

Do they even still make that stuff?
I remember it from the 70's, had

this cute gal with the greatest cleavage in the ads!

Out of curiosity, I just did a search. It

looks like it's available through several sources.

"Launched by the design house of Dana in 1965, BRITISH

STERLING by Dana is classified as a refined fragrance. This masculine scent posesses a blend of: Warm woods, citrus,

amber and moss. It is recommended for evening wear."

On the other hand, I could only find Hai Karate offered

on eBay.

The cute gal with the great cleavage was why I was an English Leather kind of guy. I remember the

woman would say, "All my men wear English Leather, or nothing at all."

[Mtnjim]

find

Hai Karate offered on eBay.

The cute gal with the great cleavage was why I was an English Leather kind of

guy. I remember the woman would say, "All my men wear English Leather, or nothing at all."

Ya, I

remember her too! Ah! teen aged woodies!

[JustPeachy]

Aramis is nice.

[Romme22]

I've still got a bottle of

English Leather too. Maybe that's my problem after all, still living in the eighties. Time to dust off the

platform shoes, bell bottoms and Brut (still have some of that too).

My British sterling, being probably 20

years old, now smells like a mix of moss, mildew and sheet metal screws. But it makes a damn fine cover.

Rom

[DrSmellThis]

Doc, your post

really made me randy!

Here is a man with hormones documented as exceeding those of an adolescent bull

telling me my post made him Randy!

[tounge]

tounge, funny you

mention this. What I have for covers have been purchased by my wife, usually as christmas gifts. I even have a few

that my mom gave me years back like Avon Black Suede and some british sterling.




Gotta hit the

mall someday soon. Any good recommendations?

Rom

EEEWWWW! NEVER, and I mean never trust

a mum when it comes to wearing a fragranc for yourself. Look at the stuff your Mom bought you. You wear stuff like

that and you can forget both Ginger and Mary Ann. Hell, you'd be lucky to even get a sniff of Mrs. Thurston H.

Howell the III.

Some fragrances that may have possibly contributed to my getting oral gratification from

various ladies
(besides my charming personality and warm bedside manner) are as I mentioned earlier: Chanel

Allure for Men, Swiss Army, A*Men, Geir, Hanae Mori(this one makes em drool. A bib should come with it), Rochas

Man,(chicks always seem to dig he shape of the bottle), Herrera, and Creed's Green Irsh Tweed.
Many others, try

and see what works best for you.