life without the mones

[mark1]

well i have

stopped using mones
and life is not near as exciting i dont fell that people are near as nice to me plus i dont

feel as social

i quit cause of some side affects that they say dont happen but none the less i still feel they

cause them

did i over use?
i dont know
2 drops aday for about a year and a half of vareous kinds npa soe mix

manyly i have lure and pf too

i really would like to know for shur if these side affects were caused by the mones



i have shown some breast enlargement would like to know if any one else has this

i went to my dr. he says

there only a fraction of a chance that it did

and if it was it should return in about 3 to 5 weeks

i work out

everyday im trying to titen up my pectorals with toning and pushups im 43 years old so i have to take this into

consideration

if i knew concrete the it did not cause this i use them again in a minute but im going to what the

3 to 5 weeks im on week one now

i never got laid with them but they did give me more hellos eye contact and they

if i had the rite mix made me feel good




i have aquestion do ordanary colgnes have these pharos in them??

[Sagacious1420]

No

disrespect Mark, but I highly doubt that your doctor really knows much, if anything, about pheromones. It\'s not

likely to be a common topic in the medical journals that, hopefully, he keeps up on. Furthermore, if there was any

confusion of terminology used in discussing this w/ your doctor, he may have misunderstood. IIRC, someone attempted

to explain to you that pheromones are not prohormones.

Working out some to improve your muscular fitness

can\'t hurt, but if you begin doing this while you\'re taking time off from using pheros, how could you really

be sure which may have caused any changes? Make sense? Did you have your doctor conduct any tests to check your

hormone levels? At your age the first thing that comes to mind is the possibility of a hormonal imbalance. Try a

google search for \"andropause\" and do some reading. You may find it informative and helpful.

Good luck

to you.

[DrSmellThis]

Didn\'t

we discuss this very thoroughly already? Remember I asked you to provide more background (lifestyle, physical

issues, etc.) and told you there was 100 things that could cause that? I think your brain is stuck on this pheromone

thing for some reason.

Have you been to an endocrinologist and had a thorough hormone write up?

[zeu2003]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
and life is not near as exciting i dont fell that

people are near as nice to me plus i dont feel as social

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Mones are

probably not to blame... There\'s a lot of other reasons.. Like a medical condition, depression being one of

them(btw, im not saying you have depression,its just a possibility).

</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />

i quit cause of some side affects that they say dont happen but none the

less i still feel they cause them

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Side effects from 2 drops a day?

What were some of the side effects, can you tell us more about them?

</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
i really would like to know for shur if these side affects were caused by the

mones

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
again, Probably not, wait for the big guys here to answer ya,

im just a newbie, i wish i knew everything they do.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr

/>
i work out everyday im trying to titen up my pectorals with toning and pushups im 43 years old so i have to take

this into consideration

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
How much have you been working out? Ya know,

working out too much may cause some trouble.

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
i

have aquestion do ordanary colgnes have these pharos in them??

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I

think some of them do, but in a really small amount, and i dont think their purpose is to attract people, i believe

its just part of the chemicals they have on them.

Hope this helps

[mark1]

i ask my dr

about testosterone testing he said its hard to jug that because its not the same for everyone the only way to tell

is if we would have taken these test for a long time o yes there is a top and a bottom number but thats only a

averge not to that its yours or mine mite be normal
4 me lets say we would have had to take the test when i was 25

evry year till now to find out if ive dropped my guess is that i have i just know my body i
i will look up thise

other dr

[zeu2003]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Bottle]

Yes

Mark1

I have found the same thing, My love handles have gotten enormous since I\'ve been using mones, my

breast are fine I think, maybe a lil more pert.

I cant stop feeling them though, you know cos I\'m

concerned about them getting pert. Women tend to speak to them rather to my face, its insulting. They do this at the

swimming bathe\'s when i\'m exposed. I stopped going cos It makes me insecure now, because I think about it

24/7. I don’t want to go into details. But this one Lady just looked at me like a piece of meat. Whilst I made light

conversation about the buoyancy of the supplied arm wings. Well I\'m so angry about that...anyway...


[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[CptKipling]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
well i have stopped using mones
and life is not

near as exciting i dont fell that people are near as nice to me plus i dont feel as social

i quit cause of some

side affects that they say dont happen but none the less i still feel they cause them

did i over use?
i dont

know
2 drops aday for about a year and a half of vareous kinds npa soe mix manyly i have lure and pf too

i

really would like to know for shur if these side affects were caused by the mones

i have shown some breast

enlargement would like to know if any one else has this

i went to my dr. he says there only a fraction of a

chance that it did

and if it was it should return in about 3 to 5 weeks

i work out everyday im trying to titen

up my pectorals with toning and pushups im 43 years old so i have to take this into consideration

if i knew

concrete the it did not cause this i use them again in a minute but im going to what the 3 to 5 weeks im on week

one now

i never got laid with them but they did give me more hellos eye contact and they if i had the rite mix

made me feel good




i have aquestion do ordanary colgnes have these pharos in them??


<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Here we go again.

I don\'t mean to sound rude, but you just come

across as the \"I\'m waiting for the answer I want to hear\" type.

You said you are 43, which suggest a far

more obvious answer. Your estrogen levels are rising due to your age.

You also say you are trying to lose fat

from your chest doing push-ups... Bad bad bad. You can not target fat loss to a certain area, you have to lose it

from your whole body. Consider getting fitter in general, and also getting yourself to a gym and start a good

workout regimen.

[koolking1]

The ole

Captain\'s right - just walking will help you lose weight everywhere!!! And, if it were me, I\'d take advantage

of it and ask women to feel my titties!!! They\'d love it.

[Elana]

Yeah....women

love man boobs
That\'s in chapter 3 of my first book

[Sagacious1420]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in chapter

3 of my first book

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Dammit, when the hell is my book gonna get

here. I\'m missing out on so much vital info. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[dping28]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in chapter

3 of my first book

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im interested in ordering the whole set.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any seminars?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Sagacious1420]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in chapter 3 of my first book



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im interested in ordering the whole set.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any seminars?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Seminars are a

great idea, but I still think I would prefer a private tutorial...nothing better than the one-on-one, hands-on

approach. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Bottle]

Look you

guys. Stop joking arround. This is a serious issue.

It can be very traumatic when youre body sensitive.

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in chapter 3 of my first book



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im interested in ordering the whole set.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any seminars?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I will be doing

seminars in a town near you sometime this month. I am still working on the dress code for my audience members. So

far I am thinking boxer briefs, no shirt and baby oil.

Seminars $693.95

Thank you for your interest

[Mad_Doc]

Hey mark1 I

doubt your mones are the cors of the problem, but I have read that synthetic musk compounds getting into the water

supply in western countries can rais estrogen levels. So I\'m always careful not to ingest mones and wash my hans

after applying them, just on the off chance they have the same effect.

[DZorro]

Man what

gives, man\'s breast starts to grow, like female breast ?? next thing we know a girl comes here saying here her

dick begins to grow [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

But seriously, you don\'t really believe

it\'s the mones do you ???



DZorro,

[koolking1]

ney Elana,

can I get a price break? say, 7 easy payments of $125 (I\'d do them consecutively, same day, via paypal).

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
ney Elana, can I get a price break? say, 7 easy

payments of $125 (I\'d do them consecutively, same day, via paypal).

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

That\'s fair. I would still have to charge you the $65.00 paypal handling fee, and I would

need all of the 8 easy payments of $155.00 with an hour, or you won\'t qualify for the price break.

[dping28]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women

love man boobs
That\'s in chapter 3 of my first book

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im

interested in ordering the whole set. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any

seminars? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I will

be doing seminars in a town near you sometime this month. I am still working on the dress code for my audience

members. So far I am thinking boxer briefs, no shirt and baby oil.

Seminars $693.95

Thank you for your

interest

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you be supplying the oil? is it included in the

price? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr

/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in

chapter 3 of my first book

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im interested in ordering the whole

set. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any seminars?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I will be doing

seminars in a town near you sometime this month. I am still working on the dress code for my audience members. So

far I am thinking boxer briefs, no shirt and baby oil.

Seminars $693.95

Thank you for your interest

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you be supplying the oil? is it included in the price?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Read Chapter 11

titled
\"You men shouldn\'t act so damn cheap. Buy your own frikken baby oil, jerks\"!

[DZorro]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr

/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in chapter 3 of my first book



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im interested in ordering the whole set.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any seminars?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I will be doing

seminars in a town near you sometime this month. I am still working on the dress code for my audience members. So

far I am thinking boxer briefs, no shirt and baby oil.

Seminars $693.95

Thank you for your interest

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you be supplying the oil? is it included in the price?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Read Chapter 11

titled
\"You men shouldn\'t act so damn cheap. Buy your own frikken baby oil, jerks\"!

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you give me atleast a discount

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] here in europe with the euro is a bit expensive.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

DZorro,

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr

/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women

love man boobs
That\'s in chapter 3 of my first book

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im

interested in ordering the whole set. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any

seminars? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I will

be doing seminars in a town near you sometime this month. I am still working on the dress code for my audience

members. So far I am thinking boxer briefs, no shirt and baby oil.

Seminars $693.95

Thank you for your

interest

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you be supplying the oil? is it included in the

price? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Read

Chapter 11 titled
\"You men shouldn\'t act so damn cheap. Buy your own frikken baby oil, jerks\"!

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you give me atleast a discount

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] here in europe with the euro is a bit expensive.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

DZorro,

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Read chapter 17, Dzorro
\"Don\'t let those darn foreigners take you for a

ride\".
Everything you need to know is in my book. Stop trying to get advice for free. Just buy the damn book and

stop asking these stupid questions!

[bjf]

Elana, I\'m

interested your book, but before I buy I really want to know that these techniques work.

Can you please relay

some stories - in vivid detail - of the strategies getting you ladies?

[mark1]

my dr. may not

know about pheromones but he dose know about androgens and estragens witch are in these pheromones

[DZorro]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr

/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr

/>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yeah....women love man boobs
That\'s in

chapter 3 of my first book

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Im interested in ordering the whole

set. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Do you also plan to have any seminars?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I will be doing

seminars in a town near you sometime this month. I am still working on the dress code for my audience members. So

far I am thinking boxer briefs, no shirt and baby oil.

Seminars $693.95

Thank you for your interest

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you be supplying the oil? is it included in the price?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Read Chapter 11

titled
\"You men shouldn\'t act so damn cheap. Buy your own frikken baby oil, jerks\"!

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Will you give me atleast a discount

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] here in europe with the euro is a bit expensive.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

DZorro,

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Read chapter 17, Dzorro
\"Don\'t let those darn foreigners take you for a

ride\".
Everything you need to know is in my book. Stop trying to get advice for free. Just buy the damn book and

stop asking these stupid questions!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Really chapter 17,

haven\'t had time to read that one should check it out though

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]


DZorro,

[DrSmellThis]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
my dr. may not know about pheromones but he dose

know about androgens and estragens witch are in these pheromones



<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">
There are no steroidal hormones or estrogens \"in these pheromones\".

[mark1]

androstenone

androstenol androsterone are not steroidal??

[DrSmellThis]

These are

pheromones which are hormone (androgen, to be specific) metabolites, but are not considered steroidal hormones, as

far as I know. (This is not my field so I reserve the right to be wrong.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])As far as we know they don\'t go backwards and become

testosterone or other steroidal hormones, though it is not out of the question that some chemicals (e.g., DHEA-S)

which are not in L-S products, could function as both. There isn\'t much evidence of this in mammalian biology

yet, however, as far as I know. Likewise, there are estrogen and/or pregnenolone metabolites in some of the

women\'s products.

You really ought to look at some other possible causes, which are many and complex. I

have in the past been vulnerable to this condition, but I have no problem with pheromones. Lifestyle is often a

factor, as is tissue sensitivity, liver function, adrenal function, testicular function, excessive masturbation,

drug (e.g., cannabis)/alcohol/medication issues, diet (e.g, hormones added to meat), exposure to chlorine and

related chemicals; bodyfat issues, psychological/emotional conditions, etc. Family doctors don\'t keep up with the

information too well, though an endocrinologist might have some insights, if you can get a referral.

Blood

tests are not the greatest measure of your hormones, though they are all we have for the many specific hormones

(e.g., different kinds of estrogen). Salivary is more reliable. You may want to ask about it.

Why the one

track mind??

[mark1]

i really would

like to use the mones but i dont want tits the size of coconuts if i knew for shur that they were not the cause id

start them up again i felt unlike like others out side this forum people id talked to that mones work and helped me

alot socially but im am worryed about side affects i will endevor to out why my breast size has increasted o and bye

the way i exerise every day not just pushups and i also think 2 other things being in business myself that these

poeple are affraid of losing customers with dicustions like this do to fear that there is an adverse affect let us

say they find out in time that i am rite that this does cause this u would all be u [censored] creek
and i beleive

that not having serous coversations on here is how they combate this the [censored] givers and jokers i dont smoke

pot so i know its not from that yes i take medication