Question to JVK SOE TIPS

[Mtnjim]

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Let\'s sum all of this up....women love for men

to act desperate, stand like dorks, rub bleach on themselves, trick them into watching porn, and beg them to buy men

drinks.

This is good. I\'ll include it all in my book
\"All you have to do is pose like a dork and women will

beg you to take them home to clean your house and then give you great sex\"

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Damn, girl, You have shown me the error of my ways!!!

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[Pancho1188]

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Thinking back on that whole scenario, I was

leaning up against a pillar w/ my thumbs through my belt loops at the time.

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Now where\'s my steak dinner.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Dammit woman, don\'t make me use my belt loops on you!

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[Bottle]

so I\'m

eating my dinner...and natural born killers has just started


\"so how flirty are you now...sexy

boy\"



hahahahaa

[Pancho1188]

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\"All you have to do is pose like a dork and women will beg you to take

them home to clean your house and then give you great sex\"

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Damn, girl, You have shown me the error of my ways!!!

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I must announce that Elana has made a false claim! It has to be false

or I would be oversexed and have a spotless house!!!

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Actually, maybe it is true...after all, didn\'t

they make a movie about it?

Eternal Sex Drive with the Spotless House

[fran1]

JVK thanks

for the tips. Would be helpful that you write another book not so technical but in users experiences with your

product given general advice.
What do you think?

Danke JVK

[a.k.a.]

Streetwise

Tips for SOE

1. You Are The Man
Whatever it is that she NEEDS from a man, you have it, you know that you

have it, and you’re going to make her work for it. (As in, “Yeah, I know you want to ride the seven waves of tantric

bliss. But what do I get out of it?)

2. You Have The Magic Touch
The most powerful effect of SOE is that it

erases personal space. So pump up the kino: a light touch on her forearm, a friendly hand on her shoulder, tenderly

brush the hair from her face, a bold hand on her thigh... it all depends on the context.

3. You Create

Anticipation
This one requires a bit of Art. A good rule of thumb is to stay 10 minutes behind your desires.


For example. If you want to check her out, hold off until she notices (and gets a whiff) of you. If you want to

talk, just glance at her a couple of times (showing your interest) before walking up to her. If you want to dance,

talk a little longer. If you want to kiss her, stare at her lips a couple of times.

4. You Are In Control
When

things get hot, make sure that you are the one driving her passion and not vice versa. Don’t stick your tongue down

her throat unless she’s hungry for it. Don’t mess with her zipper unless she’s reaching up your shirt and etc.

[Elana]

I like

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[Sagacious1420]

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Streetwise Tips for SOE

1. You Are The Man


Whatever it is that she NEEDS from a man, you have it, you know that you have it, and you’re going to make her work

for it. (As in, “Yeah, I know you want to ride the seven waves of tantric bliss. But what do I get out of it?)

2.

You Have The Magic Touch
The most powerful effect of SOE is that it erases personal space. So pump up the

kino: a light touch on her forearm, a friendly hand on her shoulder, tenderly brush the hair from her face, a bold

hand on her thigh... it all depends on the context.

3. You Create Anticipation
This one requires a bit of

Art. A good rule of thumb is to stay 10 minutes behind your desires.
For example. If you want to check her out,

hold off until she notices (and gets a whiff) of you. If you want to talk, just glance at her a couple of times

(showing your interest) before walking up to her. If you want to dance, talk a little longer. If you want to kiss

her, stare at her lips a couple of times.

4. You Are In Control
When things get hot, make sure that you are

the one driving her passion and not vice versa. Don’t stick your tongue down her throat unless she’s hungry for it.

Don’t mess with her zipper unless she’s reaching up your shirt and etc.

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[DrSmellThis]

Good

work, AKA! These all seem great to me, though some of the \"pick up artist types\" might disagree with the

\"waiting\" part of #3 (remember the \"10 second rule\"?). But women like men who show discipline combined with

passion. Let her see you masterfully controlling your passions, (part of being \"cool\" -- helping her feel

safe and protected along with horny) the idea being that you have them not that you don\'t; as opposed to

them controlling you, until she almost begs you to do her. Let a little passion escape, but only when

well-controlled. Always show mastery. You are not the least bit afraid of doing whatever you want (e.g.,

approaching her), you are rather \"always\" in control of what you do! (thinks to himself, \"but if I wasn\'t

you\'d damn well know it, sweetie!\") [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] You are so good at

controlling your personal raging bull, in fact, that you are the perfect man for her to feel safe unleashing her own

screaming uncontrolled passions with. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You might just, ahem, tie her

to the bed to help her out that way. Sometimes an almost imperceptible naughty smile or raising of the eyebrows (a

la Bond) is good that way, for example. Or thinking to yourself, \"Don\'t make me come over there and do you!\"

[Brian]

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Someone was on the subject of body language

somewhere, so I\'ll just mention a good way to project interest.

If you ever want to find an effective way

to project a strong sexual aura to a woman, you need to look no further than most Western movies...

You know

the look: the suave, bad-ass, debonnaire cowboy comes out of the saloon, walks up to the column next to the steps,

and leans against it with his thumbs through his belt loops. All the girls around take interest in the

man.

Why? Well, there\'s subtle body language cues from this pose. This is a very open stance (don\'t

cross your legs), your crotch is slightly pushed forward, and your fingers, although hanging in a relaxed position,

are all pointing straight to your penis. How\'s that for a subliminal message? You make eye contact with girls

you are attracted to and smile at every one of them. When you pick up a positive signal from a girl, you can make

your approach. That\'s when you can let a warm smile and assertive posture do 85% of the talking for

you...

...but that\'s just a suggestion from a body language perspective.

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You try this out this weekend and let us all know how you make out.

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I don\'t know! Maybe it\'s because I\'m older or

something. I have a hard time understanding
why you guys need books to learn how to approach a woman. These are

social skills that
should have been learned already. If you\'re 25 yrs old or something like that and you

need
a book to learn how to pick up women, I\'d say that you are in a lot of trouble, and probably
will

never attain the social skills required. These self help books are written for one reason
and one reason only! to

make money.

While you guys are sitting at home reading up on how to score, the player is out there

scoring.
I\'ll say one thing for you guys, you sure have great imaginations.

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[fran1]

Nice

tips.
We need more please from around the world.
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[Friendly1]

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If done with the right attitude, it works. Women read body language better than men,

regardless of whether they get their knowledge from books or experience.

In general, women learn to READ other

people while men learn to BROADCAST.

What most men learn to broadcast by their body language is \"I AM NOT A

DOMINANT MALE\".

Many years ago, when I was in college, a lesbian friend and I were talking about something and

she mentioned she had seen me all the way across the campus. I mean, out of a crowd of hundreds of people, she

recognized me at a distance of a couple of hundred yards.

My ex-wife, who went to the same college, could do the

same thing.

I asked my friend how she knew it was me. She said, \"Because you have that distinctive

dont\'t-f***-with-me walk.\"

She was right. I DID have a distinctive, keep-away walk. My whole attitude was,

\"I am more trouble than it\'s worth to you.\" I still boil over with that attitude from time to time. Once it

was pointed out to me, I realized I needed to keep it contained in some situations.

But I never lacked for

attention from the girls. I\'ll admit I had more attention than I knew what to do with. I always had the best

results when I gave up trying to get them and moved on. As soon as it looked like I wasn\'t interested in them,

they became interested in me.

The bad guy attitude works when its real, natural, and obviously a challenge to the

women.

I am one of the guys who has been studying body language from books over the past couple of years.

It\'s an eye-opening endeavor. There are some very good books out there and some very bad ones. The great thing

about body language books is that you can immediately test what these writers have to say without looking

stupid.

All you have to do is observe people. Nothing more. No approaches, no come ons, no lines, virtually no

effort required.

Just pay attention to what other people DO when you see them interact with each other. Then

rerear the appropriate chapters in the books.

The good books explain that body language works in clusters. One

action doesn\'t mean anything by itself. When grouped with other actions, it can mean several things, so you have

to understand what is going on.

I now know when a woman wants to talk with me. Before, I used to \"sense\"

when a woman wanted to talk with me. I was subconsciously reading women\'s body language but didn\'t really

understand what I was seeing.

So, yes, it\'s worth the effort. And these books help in many more ways. They

help in dealing with people at work, in dealing with your friends, in dealing with strangers in potentially

dangerous situations.

Don\'t be put off by anyone who says you don\'t need a book to learn what you should

have learned growing up. Most guys DO need the extra help, because most guys never grew up the way women grow up:

learning to read body language.

Boys jostle for dominance. The signals we learn to look for when we are growing

up are the cues to who is most likely to beat the crap out of us. Most guys aren\'t willing to go through with a

fight. I never backed down. That doesn\'t mean I always won. It means I never backed down. When people saw I

was willing to endure a beating at the hands of 2,3,4 other guys, they usually realized it wasn\'t worth the

effort. After all, I might end up with a black eye and a fat lip, but I still would not let the other guy be top

dog.

When I became comfortable with the risk I was taking, I became a guy the other guys didn\'t want to cross.

When I became that guy, I acted like him.

I never understood why the girls liked me. Now I know. It was my

confidence, my ability to stand up to the big, tall guys and act like their equal or superior. As I matured, I

became more sociable, more fun to hang around with. Now I\'m \"cool\" because I make them laugh, and because I

don\'t take crap from anyone (unless I\'m just tired and don\'t care).

[Holmes]

Good

post.


Holmes

[Sunny]

Friendly,

can you specifically recommend a book (which is available at Amazon)?

Thanks!

Sunny

[Friendly1]

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Friendly,

can you specifically recommend a

book (which is available at Amazon)?

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Please see

this thread in the Open Discussion forum.

It

lists books I have read and some short reviews on them. It also includes some anecdotes from my late

morning/mid-afternoon today.

[Sunny]

Thanks

friendly!

[fran1]

Friendly1

thanks for the post about body language. I remenber that some people dont believe in this, but I am a believer.
Few

weeks ago I try to do some rapport with SOE and works great, but I see that I failed in the moment to look at her

eyes. The womens were more agressive looking to my eyes than me.
My weakness I suppose is to try to feel dominant

but no really feel it.
One trick that works for me is not to look before the women look, then I make her believe

that she catch my attention.

We need more tips friends, like rapport techniques with the shoes or hand will be

good too.

[Friendly1]

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Friendly1 thanks for the post about body language.

I remenber that some people dont believe in this, but I am a believer.
Few weeks ago I try to do some rapport with

SOE and works great, but I see that I failed in the moment to look at her eyes. The womens were more agressive

looking to my eyes than me.
My weakness I suppose is to try to feel dominant but no really feel it.
One trick

that works for me is not to look before the women look, then I make her believe that she catch my attention.

We

need more tips friends, like rapport techniques with the shoes or hand will be good too.

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Eye contact is important. It is often a woman\'s first test of your

manhood. Most men fail the test immediately, and they never realize it.

Tonight I was at a club with some

friends of mine. Several very beautiful women in the group. Several good looking guys. This dance night was by

invitation only, so I only invited the best dancers in my circle of social friends.

The OTHER women in the club

were all checking me out. Young girls stood right next to me and kept looking at me. I was talking with my

friends, laughing, enjoying myself.

I never returned the eye contact. I didn\'t need to.

When I was getting

ready to leave, a friend of mine pointed out two girls who had been standing next to me for 30 minutes. These were

gorgeous babes, on the male scale of desirability. One in particular kept turning to look at me.

At the very

least, I could have danced with them. I doubt I could have picked them up (very difficult for an older man to pick

up a young woman in a club). But if I were to meet them on a regular basis, they might join my group,

etc.

Nonetheless, I let the opportunity pass. I meet so many women now I don\'t need to cast my nets for new

fish. I think my friend was hoping I\'d help him meet the girls. But I was tired and have things to do after I

get some sleep.

When you know what to look for, you have the power you\'ve been craving all your life. As you

come to appreciate this power, you begin to feel more confident. Of course, that doesn\'t diminish the average

woman\'s sexual power. In the United States, we men have all but given up complete control over relationships to

women.

Just look for the eye contact. They will glance at you sideways. They will make excuses to be near you.

They will \"show off the goods\" (even though they don\'t want you to stare -- it\'s another test, of course,

to see if you\'re a man or a dud).

They will give you every opportunity to graduate to the next test.

You

need to put yourself in the position of deciding whether it\'s worth your time.

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They will give you every opportunity to graduate to

the next test.


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What\'s the next test?

Great posts BTW!

[Elana]

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Friendly1 thanks for the post about body language.

I remenber that some people dont believe in this, but I am a believer.
Few weeks ago I try to do some rapport with

SOE and works great, but I see that I failed in the moment to look at her eyes. The womens were more agressive

looking to my eyes than me.
My weakness I suppose is to try to feel dominant but no really feel it.
One trick

that works for me is not to look before the women look, then I make her believe that she catch my attention.

We

need more tips friends, like rapport techniques with the shoes or hand will be good too.

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Amazing writing skills, Fran1. What an improvement.

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[fran1]

Friendly1

nice tips. Will be great that you told us how you catch the women that you like. The whole process for novice like

me.
I want to share something with you people. The third week that I use SOE I see a lot of hits with gays, and I

dont like gays (nothing personal, I have a friend that is gay but I am straight). Well that week, 3 different gays

try to make rapport body language with me, but moving their shoes, feets and legs, to copy my movements with their

feets specially, and sending me signal with their shoes when they were sitting. I try to avoid to see them but they

were doing that in a good way that I need it to look, until I get angry( I move from my seat, or telling them that I

was not gay that I love womens).
The thing here is that I really want to learn their techniques to use it with

womens, for me was something new and I want to know where I can find information about it.
They use a lot of their

feets in a way that you need it to look(in my case I was getting angry for the distraction).
I want to know how

they do it, because I try to put my attention, my eyes, my body away from them, but they move their feet, legs in a

way that the side of my eyes were reach for them. (One of them even approach with me---smiling and trying to give me

his hand--- and I telling him that move away in a very bad way)
I forgot this too. When I saw them to their eyes

with a bad face in the begining, they try to see in others directions and then they begin again when I was doing my

work, with the feets, legs and shoes moves, until they put me nervous and angry.
Please Friendly1 do you know about

this technique or anyone else?, and How to dominate against gays without move of my seat or putting a bad face or

speak with them(body language defense in this case). And how to use this gays technique with womens of course.(I

think this is a good one)
But again they were using most the lower part of their body, than the upper one.
What a

tip will be this?

[Friendly1]

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Friendly1 nice tips. Will be great that you told us

how you catch the women that you like. The whole process for novice like me.

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I haven\'t met her yet. I am just having fun and occasionally benefitting in a professional

environment from my use of pheromones.

If Miss Right should come along, I will have to be patient. I doubt she

will jump into my arms and yell, \"Marry me, you BIG MAN! I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!\" Although I did have a

cute one ask if she could dance with me forever....

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I want to share something with you people. The third week that I use SOE I see a lot of hits with gays, and I

dont like gays (nothing personal, I have a friend that is gay but I am straight).

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Gay guys soft hit on me all the time. There is nothing you or I can do about it. Don\'t

make a big fuss over it. I haven\'t had any chase me down the street, screaming for sex or anything. I don\'t

return eye contact and I shift my position casually if they brush up against me so they know I am not welcoming

their advances. I don\'t act like they are pariahs.

[fran1]

Friendly thanks for the

tips.
There is a special way to know that this women want somethin NOW.
How do you note that --------
I see

that you are the guy with most experience here.......and JVK of course......

[Gossamer_2701]

Fran1 writes....

There

is a special way to know that this women want somethin NOW.
How do you note that --------


Easy... she won't

be able to take her eyes off your pipino

[happyman]

What I do/use in

various situations would only be of interest to other men my age/height with similar proportions and income. Other

than that, the results I get are meaningless. Besides, I\'m a \"biker\" and that aspect of my personality

attracts women who are outside the norm. That being said, I never hit on a woman who has not already shown an

interest. To get her interest (or not) I will spend a few minutes in her \"space.\" She will either become fidgity

or more relaxed/friendly. I can pick up on very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right

down to the fact that she is only looking for something very casual--but she wants it NOW. Most helpful advice is to

expect nothing, women can sense desparation--and once they do sense desparation--you\'re not liable to get beyond

their initial hesitation. Go out, have a good time with a good group of your peers; when you\'re having a good

time, you will be more at ease; no desparation; and the women are more likely to see you (and smell you) as the

dominant male. The whole idea of pheromone enhancement for men is to attempt to ensure their dominance status comes

through in their scent.

More later, perhaps.

Wanted to let you know that I agree with much of

what you say. It is factual information. Being at ease and smooth and confident is Soooooo key. This attracts women

more than any other trait
1. Confidence
2. Smooth
3. at ease
Those are the ones that get them

to dig you. As long as your not you know, putting on this Fonzie act. They can tell when it's an act vs. The true

way you feel. If they sense it's an act. Your not going to get anywhere. So how do you do this.
1. Think to

yourself, I am not butt ugly and I have seen some beutiful chics with butt ugly guys. I am not even close to being

butt ugly. I am a league above them. Of coarse I can get with her....whoever she may be.
2. I am not a loser. And

I know for a fact many girls have boyfiriends that are complete losers. I'm not a loser at all or even close so my

chances are so good here.
3. Think to yourself, you know, I am going to just glide up and start talking to this

girl because I can. I'm not butt ugly, a loser, or any of that. She should be glad I at least say hello and talk to

her. Isn't that what it's all about?
4. What am I supposed to do just shy away like a toad that has absolutely

no right even walking within 20 feet of her and scat??? I don't think so! She may be what I want but that

definately doesn't mean I am beneath her or anyone.
What if she worked at an ice-cream shop or a bank and I

wanted an ice-cream cone or a transaction at the bank. Well this is no different. She is what I want sure but the

chic isn't beneath me. Let's do this.
Try it. It works.