How you
normally behave with SOE will be one of my question too.
And I see thaty you take dhea too with SOE....You can
advice us to take this too do you?
JVK, I think
that SOE need more information tips.
For example give us some tactics that you use to get some beatiful ladies with
SOE(any special dose or fragance points, etc)?
How you let them approach to you? and so on.
I really want to know
your own experiences JVK and how you conquer it.
Professor, the forum is all yours, we wait for your tips.
How you
normally behave with SOE will be one of my question too.
And I see thaty you take dhea too with SOE....You can
advice us to take this too do you?
Any tips?
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What I do/use
in various situations would only be of interest to other men my age/height with similar proportions and income.
Other than that, the results I get are meaningless. Besides, I\'m a \"biker\" and that aspect of my personality
attracts women who are outside the norm. That being said, I never hit on a woman who has not already shown an
interest. To get her interest (or not) I will spend a few minutes in her \"space.\" She will either become fidgity
or more relaxed/friendly. I can pick up on very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right
down to the fact that she is only looking for something very casual--but she wants it NOW. Most helpful advice is to
expect nothing, women can sense desparation--and once they do sense desparation--you\'re not liable to get beyond
their initial hesitation. Go out, have a good time with a good group of your peers; when you\'re having a good
time, you will be more at ease; no desparation; and the women are more likely to see you (and smell you) as the
dominant male. The whole idea of pheromone enhancement for men is to attempt to ensure their dominance status comes
through in their scent.
More later, perhaps.
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More later, perhaps.
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Reading more would be appreciated!
Truth be told,
women - or anyone for that matter - can\'t tell the difference between a guy who doesn\'t give a f-ck (someone
who is not desperate) and a guy who is just shy. Nobody is so focused on each individual\'s body language where
they are going to analzye every person in the room. They are more focused on the immediate stiumuli. That said,
aggressiveness works far better than playing it cool if you are amongst strangers - even if playing it cool is
cooler.
Thanks Dr.
The part about sensing desparation is so very true. That\'s why SOE is a heckuva product. It helps to put me at
ease and gives the attitude of \'whatever\' when otherwise I may take things too seriously. SOE\' effiects
permeate and get others to be chit chatty and relaxed. Much of this has to do with the affect on the wearer. None
can often put one at a sexual mindframe and an aggressive behavior coming from it can be sometimes detrimental. Nol
from SOE can put one ease and others can see this. Too many people thnk about the sexual and overdo the none when
nol can be just as if not more effective. By the way I\'m about to put an order in for SOE unscented. I have
forgotten but now realize how important SOE is.
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What I do/use in various situations would only be
of interest to other men my age/height with similar proportions and income. Other than that, the results I get are
meaningless. Besides, I\'m a \"biker\" and that aspect of my personality attracts women who are outside the
norm. That being said, I never hit on a woman who has not already shown an interest. To get her interest (or not) I
will spend a few minutes in her \"space.\" She will either become fidgity or more relaxed/friendly. I can pick up
on very subtle cues with regard to her level of interest--sometimes right down to the fact that she is only looking
for something very casual--but she wants it NOW. Most helpful advice is to expect nothing, women can sense
desparation--and once they do sense desparation--you\'re not liable to get beyond their initial hesitation. Go
out, have a good time with a good group of your peers; when you\'re having a good time, you will be more at ease;
no desparation; and the women are more likely to see you (and smell you) as the dominant male. The whole idea of
pheromone enhancement for men is to attempt to ensure their dominance status comes through in their scent.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Great post sir!
Holmes
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Truth be told, women - or anyone for that matter -
can\'t tell the difference between a guy who doesn\'t give a f-ck (someone who is not desperate) and a guy who
is just shy.
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Evidently we dissagree. For example, someone who is
shy is less likely to make direct eye contact, or to hold eye contact for more than a split second. Someone who\'s
not at all interested is more likely to look at others in the room with an \"attitude.\"
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Nobody is so focused on each individual\'s
body language where they are going to analzye every person in the room. They are more focused on the immediate
stiumuli.
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No need to focus on anyone but the one who almost
immediately draws your attention (because you already have a very good idea of what you\'re looking for). You will
then watch her body language to see what clues of availability she sends to others, and hopefully--with eye
contact--to you. If she\'s interested in you, you\'ll know it.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
That said, aggressiveness works far better than playing it cool if you are
amongst strangers - even if playing it cool is cooler.
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class=\"post\">
Agressiveness might work better if you\'re looking for a woman who will either question or
react to your every move. I don\'t think it works well at all if you\'re trying to get to know someone better.
But there\'s no reason to play it cool (or play anything else)--unless you\'re looking for another \"player.\"
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But there\'s no reason to play it cool (or play
anything else)--unless you\'re looking for another \"player.\"
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class=\"post\">
How do you mean?
Holmes
Stuff like eye
contact, posture, and so many other things do project confidence, yes. But in most cases you have to engage women
to get them to notice these things - thus the need to be aggressive if your goal is to meet someone.
Like
you, however, I play it low key. I will place myself in proximity of someone I am interested in too, and then try
and pick up on body language. However, many young women can be very shy or flat out just don\'t know (how) to
send guys signals when they are interested. This makes the whole process more difficult.
Older women of
course are a far different story. Personally, I admire their understanding of the game. The younger ones are just
so damn cryptic sometimes.
In any case, I\'d say the desperate aggressive guy is far more likely to pull a
chick then the cool, confident laid back guy who doesn\'t put in work. People don\'t sense confident strangers
in bars because they are f\'en drunk and their minds are too occupied to notice some dude\'s body language.
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to
compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
More...
Went
to a party last night at about 830pm where a few friends were there doing Karaoke (in a dry county; no alcohol). A
lady whom I later found out was in her 30\'s kept giving me the eye. Asked a mutual friend about her (ensured she
was not married and was unattached) then agreed to an intro. Stood next to her in conversation for about 15 minutes
till I got distracted by some friends at another table. While standing I remembered that I did not wear any SOE, and
wondered if that might make a difference. A few minutes later, I went over to her table and was refused a dance. She
left 15 minutes later. Lesson learned: I will not bother to stand next to a woman who appears interested in me,
unless I\'m wearing SOE (I\'m convinced I need the enhancement). Like anyone else, I don\'t like
rejection--and in this case I really have to wonder why she was focussing on me so intently, if she didn\'t want
to get my attention. At no time did I get the impression that she wasn\'t interested, until I asked her to dance.
And, this is the only time in as long as I can remember that I\'ve been turned down (for a dance, that is). The
last woman I met casually asked me, as we were leaving the private club (alcohol permitted), if I wanted to come to
her father\'s empty cabin for sex, and reitterated the \"just for sex\" part. She had about two hours exposure
prior to this, while we were sitting and talking, then while playing 3 games of pool. My life before SOE use was
quite different than it has been since using SOE. Admittedly, though, I\'ve never tried any other pheromone
product. One advantage I have is that it\'s my creation, which leads to conversation about pheromones and their
effect, and frequently to discussions of sex. It\'s a much smaller step to go from discussion of sex to active
participation, once you\'re alone with a woman. Forum members should know enough, or learn enough (there\'s a
good book about the topic: The Scent of Eros), about pheromones to carry on a good discussion, and develop social
skills to the point where they can carry on further from there. Pay attention to all the guys who are looking for
sex but the subject just doesn\'t get mentioned. Pheromones are the introduction to the subject that you will
either discuss or participate in with a willing partner. But if the subject doesn\'t come up, what are you going
to talk about, while you\'re wasting each other\'s time? Personally, I could care less about what sports
she\'s interested in, or her dogs, cats, other pets, or children, or TV shows she watches. If you\'re
experimenting with different mixes, ask her if she likes the fragrance you\'re wearing--and then be prepared to
discuss chemical communication/animal behavior--without any crass language. Then, don\'t be surprised if later on,
you both are behaving like animals. If not, no problem, because the next time the topic comes up, you\'ll be even
better prepared for discussion, and sooner or later you\'ll meet someone who wants to do more than discuss sex.
Caution: the first crass word or alcohol-induced lapse in good sense (don\'t you dare look around the room for
someone else), and you\'ve most likely lost the opportunity for anything further. Additional caution: disregard
all of the above if you\'re looking for a meaningful relationship.
If you resort
to \"role-playing\" you\'re much more likely to end up with someone who is also playing some kind of game. Since
women\'s motives are usually more difficult than men\'s to determine, she will figure out what you\'re willing
to do to \"get\" her before you find out enough about her to know whether you\'re really interested in more than
her body. Then, even if you do \"get\" her, she will continue to have the upper hand in any game that either of
you continues to play.
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After
drafting my latest, I see BTF is synchronizing his thought pattern with mine.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
However, many young women can be very shy or flat out just don\'t know
(how) to send guys signals when they are interested. This makes the whole process more difficult.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
For me it makes the process so difficult that I no longer bother with
women who don\'t know how to communicate their intent.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Older women of course are a far different story. Personally, I admire their
understanding of the game. The younger ones are just so damn cryptic sometimes.
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class=\"post\">
I\'m fairly certain you understand the concept of cryptic female choice, and how this relates
to concealed ovulation. Basically, women don\'t know what they want unless they\'re in the ovulatory phase of a
non-oral contraceptive influenced menstrual cycle. The clues they send at ovulation are sufficient enough that with
minimal observation, you should be able to tell who\'s interested in more than just casual conversation. If not,
observe a little longer.
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In any case, I\'d say
the desperate aggressive guy is far more likely to pull a chick then the cool, confident laid back guy who
doesn\'t put in work. People don\'t sense confident strangers in bars because they are f\'en drunk and their
minds are too occupied to notice some dude\'s body language.
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class=\"post\">
That\'s why I mentioned the alcohol problem. But I don\'t mean that you need to be laid
back. Of course, you need to do some work. Very few women will approach you, no matter how much they would like to.
Men, typically, must make the first move. What I\'m saying is to match your moves to her mood rather than take a
series of chances on anything that looks good at the moment.
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'ve never seen desparation work, except when fat chicks need to get
laid so much that they become overly aggressive. It won\'t take them long to find someone who\'ll go for it.
JVK your
tips are good, but we need some street wise explaniation:
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
What I do/use in various situations would only be of interest to other men my
age/height with similar proportions and income. She will either become fidgity or more relaxed/friendly.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
In this case, when you talk about income, age and height and all
stuff, tell me the quantity of SOE do you use personally(in your case)and the spot of your body that you use? I want
to have an clear idea of your product that it is a miracle.
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I can pick up on very subtle cues with regard to her level of
interest--sometimes right down to the fact that she is only looking for something very casual--but she wants it
NOW.
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In this part, tell us your personal cues to know what she
wants NOW.....Remenber JVK here we are from so many cultures that we really are interesting how this stuff work,
with womens around the world.
Jim, I agree
with Larry.er Fran1. Please elaborate on your use of SOE. How much, the body spots. Do you add another fragrance?
And also how things have changed for you since before and after. Thanks for your time ad anticipated answers.
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I\'ve never seen desparation work, except when
fat chicks need to get laid so much that they become overly aggressive.
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And except when guys will hit on fat chicks and anything else with two legs.
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my
opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared
to do.
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YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
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Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
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OUCH!
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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Now, Elana go and answer all of my pm\'s I really need
attention from you, and read my pm\'s about my seduction techniques and my cooking recipes, and then tell me how
to be sexier...ANSWER NOW I AM DESPERATE!!!
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Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my
opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared
to do.
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This works, its working wonders!
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</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they
can. We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The
guy that walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That
is when the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so
the desperate man will go away.
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Elana, did it ever occur to
you that some women go to bars wanting to hook up or who are too drunk to think straight?
The guys that run
around hitting on one chick after another inevitably find them.
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</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation
works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use
it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana, did it ever occur to you that
some women go to bars wanting to hook up or who are too drunk to think straight?
Hit on as many as possible and
you are bound to find them. Good luck!
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Then those women would
make a bee line to the man that they are attracted to and the woman would work her magic. Women are just not
desperate enough to go home with a pathetic man just so that they can have sex.
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Then those women would make a bee line to the man
that they are attracted to and the woman would work her magic. Women are just not desperate enough to go home with a
pathetic man just so that they can have sex.
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Women aren\'t big
on making the first move. And why make the first move when guys are coming after you anyway?
Aggressiveness
wins out in these cases. Some may call aggressiveness confidence, and in many cases it is, but aggressivenss
without any sort of selectivety is partly desperation, IMO.
Whatever
works for you [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
don\'t worry
kiddo, I will give you the next one [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Maybe you
can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink
and take you home. Women LOVE that!
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Maybe you can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s
pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and take you home. Women LOVE
that!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
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I knew
it!
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Maybe you can try duplicating Brad Pitt\'s
pheromone signature and then going to a bar and begging a girl to buy you a drink and take you home. Women LOVE
that!
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Desperation works best for pulling chicks in my opinion (based on what I
see), you just might have to compromise yourself to use it, something I\'m not prepared to do.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Desperate men make women run away and run as fast as they can.
We are attracted to the cool guy with the slight attitude. Let us a work a bit for his attention.
The guy that
walks up to you in a bar, gets in your face and starts feeding you all sorts of lines is an annoyance. That is when
the woman will grab the first man they see and will whisper to him to please pretend that he is with her so the
desperate man will go away.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana is giving us good insights
into the Female Psyche...I for one believe this to be the case...Even if you are really desperate try real hard not
to act it...Women can sense it a mile off & are totally put off by it...
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