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    Pollution soaring to crisis levels in Arctic...

    Pollution soaring to crisis levels in

    Arctic
    Scientists plead for action to save poles

    from 'tipping point' disaster
    Robin McKie, science

    editor
    Sunday March 12,
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    CO2 'highest for 650,000 years' ...

    CO2 'highest for 650,000

    years'


    ...
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    Polar ice sheets show net loss By Paul...

    Polar ice sheets show net loss


    By Paul Rincon
    BBC News science reporter

    ...
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    Published on Monday, March 6, 2006 by Reuters...

    Published on Monday, March 6, 2006 by Reuters



    Global Warming

    Evidence Grows - UN Expert

    by Alister Doyle
    OSLO - Evidence that humans are to blame for global...
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    Warming, world water wars

    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/articl

    e348177.ece
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    What specifically is "flawed" about the...

    What specifically is

    "flawed" about the reasoning in my last post and how so? I see nothing remotely controversial about it, and

    nothing particularly opinionated. It is just basic...
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    Don't be intimidated, but stay within yourself...

    Don't be intimidated, but stay within yourself and trust your ability to think through it one

    point or step at a time. Slow down if you have to.

    So just read the articles, for example....
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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/02/16/greenla...

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/02/16/greenland.glaciers.ap/index.html
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    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/articl...

    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/articl

    e344690.ece

    ...just passing along an article I came across today, not expressing an opinion on it -- but

    some scary thoughts.

    Is...
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    A note on the general science as regards earth-systems modeling, and a prominent myth

    Studying the climate is very similar to studying humans

    in that you are studying a complex, holistic, open (can react with other systems, like the rest of the solar

    system), multi-leveled...
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    Apparently.When I saw Belgareth had posted I...

    Apparently.When I saw Belgareth had posted I decided and committed to read it

    with an open mind, reminding myself that I honestly do not care what the truth is about global warming and
    ...
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    Warmest year on record even without El Nino

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11009001/

    http://www.msnbc.m

    sn.com/id/6433717/
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    I'm going to return to the issue I raised if...

    I'm going to

    return to the issue I raised if people don't mind, since there still seems to be a critical need to (thanks, AKA,

    for recognizing that I brought up the issue in the first place...
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    Bel, I'm as willing as the average guy to own...

    Bel, I'm as willing as the

    average guy to own up to my mistakes, especially if it means resolving something. I will do my best not to attack

    you if I can figure out how I am. But did I just...
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    Unless I missed something, you simply assert...

    Unless I missed something, you

    simply assert all that to be the case, making appeals to authorities (those who disagree could appeal to even more

    authorities), without yourself making a case;...
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    No. That was not my point, per my words. The same...

    No. That was not my point, per my words. The same applies to comments in

    the italics in your next post.

    This debate is not the best use of time, because points are not heard and
    ...
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/28/AR2006012801021.html?sub=AR
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    I don't recall calling anyone a liar. There...

    I don't recall calling anyone

    a liar. There have been other issues with your behavior that were not OK. I'm sorry if it seemed I was hinting you

    didn't know what you are talking about. That...
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    I am not "starting towards the right track",...

    I am not "starting towards the right track", (maybe I'm oversensitive, but this

    strikes me as a tiny bit patronizing, like a pat on the head. My point, which you seem to be trying to claim as...
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    I would just like to see some solid, logical,...

    I would just like to see some

    solid, logical, scientific reasoning here. I might not know the facts, and will gladly defer to others there; but I

    know how to think like a good, professional...
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    I will hold you responsible for attacks if...

    I will hold you responsible

    for attacks if they involve me, and will need to find a way that works, hopefully, for both of us. It would be

    better if you just didn't do it. I am asking you to...
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    I do not accept your terse dismissal of my...

    I do not accept your terse dismissal of my comparison as "invalid",

    since you apparently missed the point of it, which was comparing isolated with holistic or systemic change. It was a

    good,...
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    Here I'm not talking about the relation...

    Here I'm not talking about

    the relation between CO2 and T over the aeons, when natural cycles, balances, equilibreii, and dynamics were doing

    their thing; when no increase in CO2 happened in...
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    So what is the correlation between CO2 and T...

    So what is the correlation

    between CO2 and T since people were first able to affect CO2? Shouldn't this be the first number that everybody

    talks about?
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    Wouldn't CO2 levels have dropped from their...

    Wouldn't CO2 levels have

    dropped from their maximum with the decline of hard industry, State emission (e.g., DEQ) standards, improved public

    transit, and zero population growth in the U.S.,...
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